Is the electoral college something we need?
Post your argument and opinions below, support it with facts/logic.I have not decided if we need it so this is your time where you can convince someone.
RULES: Do NOT bring up the Jews, the Niggers, or any other race. The Establishment is fine,as it is a key part of this thread. Do NOT use any other flag than your country, this is an American topic, however you can still post your opinions .
Do not shill or post one sentence answers. That is not convincing.
Of course, you could, but being defiant on an anonymous Mongolian rug weaving board doesn't prove anything and everyone knows Sup Forums has shills left and right. So let's just go create some OC and have a good and intelligent discussion.
Please be nice and respectful anons.
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Yes. It prevents the large coastal cities from winning every election by default just because they have huge populations. America is not a democracy, regardless what the liberal retards think, it is a constitutional republic. Democracy is mob rule and we all know how dumb the mob is.
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Fuck off NYC. United STATES, not mass
is that a SITTING PIGEON?
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Why sage it? I'm trying to decide what to support. I understand that it prevents cali and ny from deciding every election, but what about the establishment? I already said you shouldn't be a shill and answer in one sentence, but maybe Sup Forums is too corrupt and cancerous to have a nice polite discussion. Jeez.
to protect states’ rights. similar to how the senate represents the states and the house represents the people. the electoral college represents the states and the popular vote, the people.
So then who do we trust, the people or the states?
And is there another system that works better? Should the electoral college not decide the election if a massive amount of voters voted the other way? Etc. Establishment candidate vs populist, Establishment gets the votes needed to win but the populist gets 90% of the popular vote? Should the electoral and popular vote be weighed equally and should we have a system that will decide the Election based on both the electoral and popular vote, like combining congress? At this point I'm listing ideas, so any other arguments would be great.
NO! Get rid of it. Tyranny by the majority is better than by minority!
Don't know, but liberals need to fucking die already.
My ass is on the fence. Be careful, if you try and shoot the left you might miss and tip me over there.
Seriously if you can't make an argument don't reply. I make a thread and then
"Liberals need to fucking die"
I'm not a liberal, but you aren't helping to convince me.
However thanks for the bump if you didn't sage it.
>pidgeon thread?
pidgeon thread
I won't shoot them unless I'm defending myself. They would sooner kill themselves because "life is too hard!!" Also, not trying to convice you because I don't know you or care. Conservatives don't try and take away your rights but liberals sure do. So much for being "tolerant" right?
I too have a paper to write about the electoral college.
Mine is due wednesday of next week, how about yours OP?
why sitting pigeon look so friendly?
>I’ll base my politics on how other people make me feel
Confirmed leftist
You didn't even read what the thread is about.
It wasn't about gun control or euthanasia or whatever you are supporting or opposing, it's about the electoral college.
I am a conservative and do believe that they are doing things that take away our rights. Boom, can we go back on topic.
Don't know where you got the tranny thing either.
Pigeon.
Pigeons are cool
On topic threads are cool.
I never knew it was so hard to create a good thread here. It feels like I'm herding children.
>Is the electoral college something we need?
No, it disproportional gives more power to smaller states that need less federal oversite for their infrastructure due to being small in population. Federal elections always effect larger, more populated more. The people of New York and California should have at least the same voting power as someone in Montana.
Not next Wednesday but I'm writing a paper about the electoral college. I have to make a strong argument and saying it's good and bad is bs.
Also already three replies about a sitting pigeon.
If the Electoral college goes then America is fucked! Its there for a very good reason. WE ARE A REPUBLIC!
Thanks for a legitimate argument.
So if we need equal voting power for the people in every state...what should we do? Shall we make each electoral college vote a certain amount of normal citizens votes? That creates an obvious problem...
Also, does the establishment matter when regarding the electoral college? Or is it a conspiracy?
Also, good job about not bringing up the Jews or the blacks, you give me hope for Sup Forums
>Is the electoral college something we need?
What makes you think voting accomplishes anything?
The purpose of democracy is to prevent change.
Both parties are anti-White and controlled by the...
>RULES: Do NOT bring up the Jews,
FUCKING JEWS!
Don't tell us what to do you Conservative Republican Capitalist.
>Also, good job about not bringing up the Jews or the blacks, you give me hope for Sup Forums
"i...it's not the jews! don't be an antisemite Sup Forums! that's wrong."
Fuck off Hannity.
Nice trips
Do we need a republic? Or is direct democracy better? The American Republic may be fucked, but after all we are the biggest and greatest empire of our time, and when Rome became an empire it grew stronger.
Not gonna turn this into a monarchy thread, that is for /his/ but you know what I mean.
The shills are getting mad that I don't agree with them just because they said so.
yeah, we've shitposted ourselves into an oblivion. The thing is, you say we should have good non-shitposty discussion in this thread. Big mistake, we will now all shitpost.
And, yes, the electoral college is good. Why do you think the House is the lower chamber? representation of the states.
>Do we need a republic? Or is direct democracy better?
National Socialism and/or fascism is the only way.
Why?
They're the ideologies all the other ideologies agree we shouldn't even consider.
When you get Conservatives agreeing with Communists, you know something is fucked up.
If you abolish the electoral college you must also allow the smaller states to secede since the terms of the union have changed. Or you forgot that that the US is not actually a single country?
You can be an antisemite, but just not in this thread. This thread is not about the Jews and if I am going to make a convincing argument for why we do or do not need the electoral college I can not bring up the Jews.
I'm not triggered by antisemitism, I just want my thread to be on topic you dumb shill. Talk about the Jews in another thread.
I didn't even comment on if antisemitism was wrong...but you just have to disrail my thread.
Your loss, not mine. I could post this in a hundred different places and if you don't want intelligent discussion here then you are part of the problem.
With that said don't reply to my post, just trying to control the off topic shill replies.
Yes, we definitely need a republic. Do you want mob rule? Do you want the easily-swayed masses to be almost directly in charge of how the country works? Do you want those who actually bother to who's dating who to decide how your country is ran?
desu i think an iq test should be mandatory. Only people with an IQ above a certain level should be able to vote. That way, the best of the blacks and hispanics get their vote, and the worst of us whites do not.
>When you get Conservatives agreeing with Communists, you know something is fucked up.
you definetly have a point. They say the same about Anarcho-capitalism, so which is it?
fpbp
>You can be an antisemite, but just not in this thread.
Fuck you Conservative. You don't want people knowing the truth, that it really is the Jews behind everything bad being done to Whites.
>his thread is not about the Jews and if I am going to make a convincing argument for why we do or do not need the electoral college I can not bring up the Jews.
The Jews control the political process. It doesn't matter who you vote for, the Jews own them. The electoral college serves the Jews.
> I just want my thread to be on topic you dumb shill.
Without addressing the true issue behind the whole thing.
>Your loss, not mine. I could post this in a hundred different places and if you don't want intelligent discussion here then you are part of the problem.
You actually think voting solves problems. You don't belong here. You belong on a faux nooz forum.
>With that said don't reply to my post, just trying to control the off topic shill replies.
You don't belong here faggot. You certainly don't have any power to make demands.
fpbp
The best thing to do would be to get rid of it all together,it really is an outdated mechanic with the rise of the internet and heck even wide spread paper news. It does nothing but stop lefties in red states and right wingers in blue states from desiring to vote.
>They say the same about Anarcho-capitalism,
No, they don't.
Even the Anarcho-Capitalists will side with the Communists against National Socialism and Fascism.
A direct democracy could replace all 3 branches of government, if one were so inclined.
/thread. absolute veritas.
Why would you want leftists in the shittiest most degenerate parts of the nation choosing the president?
Despite what city retards think, rural people actually are quite intelligent. If North Korea hit the USA with EMP weapons the blue areas would be dead within 6 weeks and the red areas would rebuild the nation.
> it is a constitutional republic.
It would be equally as accurate to say america is a constitutional democracy.
If we had a direct democracy Kim Kardashian would be president.
Thanks for the honesty, will consider when making new threads.
When you got Conservatives agreeing with racists you know something is fucked up.
(Talking about communism)
Also, I don't want to debate this, however I want to provide criticism so you can argue your point better. (Not to be rude) "you know what the healthiest food is? Shit. It's what everyone says you shouldn't even eat. When you have omnivores agreeing with vegans, you know something's fucked up."
So...is their any country that has a relatively good quality of life that was a democracy that dealt with this effectively? Switzerland doesn't have that much problems within, but could a direct democracy work in America? Is there any other forms of democracy or anything to fix this, or is this a problem that we know will always make someone unhappy?
and facists and natsocs side against ancapism with everybody else except some libertarians and minarchists
i blame Harris crime on the katrinaniggers, who im not even sure vote anyway. the poor doesnt vote here
I'm all for discussion, but you don't get to dictate what people say. That's not American, even if what is said is not something you want to hear. You're OP, and OP is always the faggot trying to get replies. You don't get to pick how people reply.
In any event, the electoral college is a must.
Democracy was invented by the Greeks so people could govern themselves. They did this by holding large meetings with the town's people and holding votes on certain laws.
"But how do you do that when your town/nation has 300 million people?!"
I'm glad you asked, faggot with silly questions. You don't. That's why we are a Republic of Representatives, something far more streamlined when not bogged down by politicking and constant representation of "yes men". The collective, unfortunately, can rarely see past their ground level problems - milk is too expensive. Taxes suck. My kid got shot at school. They can't see what's good for the many, only what's good for themselves.
The electoral college prevents these people from electing a candidate that only says the right things and appeals to their baser instincts, but wont help the majority or the more important aspect of our society. It keeps those "yes men" out of office, and prevents the vocal minority of opinions from drowning out the silent majority.
Without the electoral college, the USA would not be the world's one and only superpower.
This meme needs to end.
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More people voted for Trump in NYC (779,444) then live in the entire state Wyoming (585,501).
>democratic republic
>It would be equally as accurate to say america is a constitutional democracy.
no
>When you got Conservatives agreeing with racists you know something is fucked up.
There's literally nothing wrong with being a racist though.
Conservatives will side with Liberals against "racists."
>however I want to provide criticism so you can argue your point better. (Not to be rude) "you know what the healthiest food is? Shit. It's what everyone says you shouldn't even eat. When you have omnivores agreeing with vegans, you know something's fucked up."
False analogy.
>
So...is their any country that has a relatively good quality of life that was a democracy that dealt with this effectively? Switzerland doesn't have that much problems within, but could a direct democracy work in America? Is there any other forms of democracy or anything to fix this, or is this a problem that we know will always make someone unhappy?
What really makes you think voting solves any of the real problems (not the "problems" the media tells you about)?
arguing that a TV personality would end up in charge is literally the dumbest reply possible.
>and facists and natsocs side against ancapism with everybody else except some libertarians and minarchists
No one sides with Fascists and NatSoc's except for other Fascists and NatSoc's.
So then how will we choose a government that makes smart decisions but doesn't give itself everything, like the nobles in feudalism or congress that (used to) give itself raises? How do we make sure everyone's voice is weighed equally, because if we abolish it the coastal cities rule, but if we keep it then the Establishment can rule and the small states will also be given more power that they (might) not deserve?
Without the electoral college, the most populous areas of the country will be the only ones to be represented. At this time this means that only California, Florida, New York and Texas will be the only 3 states to represent the interests of the whole country while 47 other states are effectively unrepresented.
>Implying that's the only thing Trump ever did with his life
He became famous because of the fortune he built. Kim became famous because of her ass and the fact her father got a nigger off for murdering a white woman when everybody knew he was guilty.
im not a fascist or a natsoc(yet), but i stand with yall against everyone else in politics nowadays
>Is the electoral college something we need?
Stopped reading right there.
It saved us from the most corrupt president in US history. Sounds nice to me.
>Do we need a republic? Or is direct democracy better?
Both shit tier
>direct democracy
The nigger with 7 babies has twice the political power as the chemical engineer with 2 kids.
The nigger uses this extra political power to vote itself social programs, paid for by the chemical engineer. The nigger votes itself the chemical engineer's money.
This process is the inevitable outcome of democracy, as the chemical engineer will never have the lapse in judgement required to out-breed and thus out-vote the nigger.
>republic
Same problem as direct democracy, but instead of voting for policies you can only vote for kike puppets and pray they enact your policies.
>He became famous for the fortune he built.
You go straight for the money... the one thing they both have in common.
Fuck off OP. Jews and blacks control the media. Electoral college is a must in order to secure a future for ourselves and our white children.
>im not a fascist or a natsoc(yet),
Then you're probably a NatSoc/Fascist in everything but name only.
The mere fact that you'd side with NatSoc's/Fascists shows you're not even Conservative/Libertarian/Whatever anymore.
>but i stand with yall against everyone else in politics nowadays
That's because all those other groups are either anti-White or well on their way to being anti-White.
>Electoral college is a must in order to secure a future for ourselves and our white children.
How exactly are we going to vote for our racial survival?
Well we get rid of the idea that we should weigh everyone's voice equally. That is mob rule and why we have the electoral college to begin with. The biggest issue we face today is unelected officials covering up their crimes under the banner of "state secrets". If we get rid of all unnecessary bureaucracy and once again hold all government officials accountable for their crimes, we could MAGA within a couple years.
The Electoral College exists because the USA is not intended to be one monolithic superstate but an affiliation of different states. If most of the states want a candidate, then he wins. It doesn't matter how strongly one state feels about one candidate. It's a good feature.
im getting there, right now im just a hard eugenicist based on IQ. I think that is the best option
The US is filled to the brim with large population centers throughout the Midwest, south west and new england area. I doubt any candidate would want to be labeled as ignoring anyone in those areas, we also currently have the issue of swing states where candidates spend the majority of their time.
There is nothing wrong with agreeing with facts, and there are facts that support racism and facts against it. Just because someone has 80 IQ doesn't mean someone with 100 IQ who was born with the same skin color should be regarded less than someone who was born with a different skin color with the same IQ. But I came here not to debate racism but the electoral college, so now I must ask: what makes it a false analogy? Some people like to eat their own shit, and while painting fascists as the bad guys, as shit is negative, you did say you believe Fascism is the way because others say it's dumb. We also know shit tastes bad and is not healthy. But then again, the only fascists country that existed also failed. Also, Fascists agreed with communists to take over Poland, so there is that.
Still don't get why it is a false analogy. Have you ever ate your own shit? No? Why not? Everyone says it's bad? (Again not to be rude but this is how I see it)
>im getting there, right now im just a hard eugenicist based on IQ. I think that is the best option
Well think of it this way...
Would you want to see White people replaced in our own countries by high IQ non-Whites?
No?
Then I guess a high IQ doesn't trump the White race's existence.
Fighting for districts instead of fighting for votes has a tendency towards gerrymandering.
Are you having a stroke? None of that made any sense. Must be an autistic Jew.
What if I don't care which skin tone gets assigned to me?
Then you’re a nigger.
>Just because someone has 80 IQ doesn't mean someone with 100 IQ who was born with the same skin color should be regarded less than someone who was born with a different skin color with the same IQ.
I think you IQ Supremacists need to check your IQ Privilege.
>what makes it a false analogy?
My statement is factual. Your statement lacks substance.
>you did say you believe Fascism is the way because others say it's dumb.
And those others are lock-step in their beliefs that will cause the extinction of the White race. Yes, even with voting.
> Have you ever ate your own shit? No? Why not? Everyone says it's bad? (Again not to be rude but this is how I see it)
Your problem is that you're saying Fascism and National Socialism are shit when in reality, you conservatives are shit. You know how I know that? Under Fascism and National Socialism, Whites exist. Under every other ideology, Whites no longer exist.
You're the one mixing shit in with your milk and claiming there's nothing wrong with it.
>What if I don't care which skin tone gets assigned to me?
And what if race is more than skin color and that race is the basis for civilization?
That would make it the one thing that must be preserved before anything else.
Which makes one wonder why so many of those ideologies are united in the destruction of race.
I fucking know its not my first time here, but let's say trump got his idea for the wall from stormfront, that wouldn't make him look too good, would it? Talk about the Jews in another thread. This isn't censorship, if I wanted people to stop talking about the Jews I'd shut down Sup Forums and free speech. The commies can speak, the fascists can speak, and just because storefront doesn't have an article of "why communism is correct" doesn't mean there is no free speech. If you want to listen to the Jews, go to another thread. If you want to debate the electoral college, stay here.
No, I don't have the power to ban you from this thread. I am addressing the problem. With that said, this is the last time I will reply to a shill. Maybe if I ignore you you'll get bored and go to the threads actually dedicated to discussing Jews!
This is like walking into the girls bathroom and then saying that they just don't want guys with penises to urinate! That is not a false analogy, and just because you will say it is doesn't make it true. Just because I said it doesn't make it true. But I am trying to make a point.
>Under every other ideology, Whites no longer exist.
Now thats just not true.
Sad part is, You were making sense up top, but you got so worked up that you botched the landing at the end.
>Just because someone has 80 IQ doesn't mean someone with 100 IQ who was born with the same skin color should be regarded less than someone who was born with a different skin color with the same IQ.
When you assume a nigger has 85 IQ, there's a 50% chance you're overvaluing him and a 50% chance you're undervaluing him. It literally averages out.
Thank you. I also agree on an IQ test. That way even poor people still get their voice in, but dumb poor people don't.
I will still accept any answers or opinions, but I think you do make a strong argument.
on what basis could you possibly argue that race is the basis for civilization? (Reminder: The word is BASIS. as in society is completely impossible without it)
>Now thats just not true.
There is no other ideology that cares about or would secure the existence of the White race.
Take Conservatives for example...they only care about their money. They have no problem with mass non-White immigration. Just as long as its "vetted" and "legal."
>Under every other ideology, Whites no longer exist.
Are there other white people in the world? Do they live under a different ideology? Yeah, we're done here. Good talk.
>but let's say trump got his idea for the wall from stormfront, that wouldn't make him look too good, would it?
Telling the truth and doing the right thing isn't allowed in this society anymore. The only reason it wouldn't look good is because of the media and because people have been brainwashed to believe anything that is White = bad.
>Talk about the Jews in another thread.
Why when they're at the heart of the issue?
It's like you saying we should talk about breathing but we can't mention air.
>I'd shut down Sup Forums and free speech.
Who are you that you have the power to do that?
>the fascists can speak,
Yeah? Where?
>and just because storefront doesn't have an article of "why communism is correct" doesn't mean there is no free speech.
There is no free speech when someone has their life ruined by the system for saying something the system doesn't want the people to hear.
>With that said, this is the last time I will reply to a shill.
Which is funny because you're the one shilling for ZOG and actually voting to solve our problems.
>But I am trying to make a point.
And you're failing horribly because you don't have logic and reason behind your posts.
>Are there other white people in the world?
Whites are a global minority and do not have a global replacement birth rate.
Hell, Europe is subject to worse laws than Whites in amurrrica.
>Do they live under a different ideology?
Not really. They're certainly not controlled by a pro-White ideology.
>Yeah, we're done here. Good talk.
I didn't think you had an actual argument against me.
I’ll talk about Jews whenever the fuck i want. Jews are at the heart of every problem, including the electoral college.
>yeah? Where?
Right here. Here and stormfront. We can discuss fascism here. You can be a fascist here.
>Here and stormfront.
Neither of which are mainstream and both of which are vilified.
>We can discuss fascism here. You can be a fascist here.
As long as you're all talk and don't leave your computer.
On the basis that niggers are still pre-agricultural, since africa is still incapable of growing enough food to feed itself.
>birthrates
>europes a shithole
>no, prowhite is the only way
>surekid
I.. I don't know what point you think you just made there. You realize, your own existence in america is proof that white people exist in non white nationalist ountries. infact, to the best of my knowledge white people have NEVER lived in a white nationalist country, yet they countinue to exist just fine.
You want to invent something that white people have never done, and sell it to me as the only possible way.
I mean all people below X IQ get sterilized. simple as that. idc bout racemixing, bc the kikes have a smaller portion of the population to propagate. BEsides, not many nonwhites will stay over the course of 2 generations. Most will be asians or kikes. Less people will racemix since coalburners are dumb, and latinos almost always marry latinos anyway.
>I didn't think you had a good argument against me
Guess what?
The feeling is mutual.
You disregarded my argument when I am trying to understand what is the best. You are obviously gonna kick me over the other side. Commies tip centrists and undecided right, you kick em left.
Every damn thread has to be derailed and become a white supremacist thread. You can talk about the Jews whenever the fuck you want. I'd prefer if you didn't do it here, in this thread, just like w prefer a trap goes to piss in the men's bathroom. You have a triangle block and a square block, my thread is a square block, but you try and fit your triangle block and now my thread looks like shit. Good job, go shit your diaper somewhere else.
Property ownership should be a requirement to vote, as well as employment, and limited use of public resources via welfare. people who have no dog in the fight should not get to elect others who can steal from them by the barrel of a gun.
I hate to compare blacks to dogs, but,
If you don't pottytrain your dog, it will pee.
If you do pottytrain it, it won't.
If teach a baby to poopoo in da toilet, it will
If you don't, it won't.
If Neil deGras or whatever has a high IQ but is black, and most blacks have a lower IQ than others, does he have a low IQ or a high IQ?
If one peach turns purple for some reason, is that peach purple, or is the purple peach not purple?
Holy shit that made even less sense. Are you having a stroke? Your posts reek of judaism and incomprehensible autism
>Is the electoral college something we need?
The aristocracy thought it would be necessary to protect the government from erratic populism. Now we're on the edge of Hitchicker's Guide to the Galaxy coming true.
You have to understand the terminology of the time of the founding of America. A state is a sovereign government with borders and laws. A nation is a cultural group. Think of why they call many countries elsewhere in the world states (state of Israel), and groups of people are called nations (kurdish nation cherokee nation). The constitution gives rights to the people and the states, power to the states, and limited power to the federal government. Hence, the states get a fairly equal, with some consideration for population, say in the election of the president. It works the same in Congress, with two senators for each state for an equal voice for each sovereign state, and proportional representatives. Why have states at all if you are going to remove their sovereignty and equal voice?
Is a smart black guy a smart black guy or a dumb black guy? Is an apple tree a lemon tree or not? Does obama steal bikes or not? Is a red painting blue? I'm going to stop here, I admit I made little sense in that post but what I'm trying o get across is that what you said is that 4=5
If you raise a kitten with a bunch of dogs, it won't act like a cat, but it won't act like a dog either. If you take a group of blacks and dump them in civilization, you get Detroit. It isn't white suburbia, but it isn't Somalia either. And as white influences go away, the black population regresses to its African traditions. This is observed in the decolonization of Africa. They don't stay "trained", they require constant external pressure to keep them civilized.
And sure high IQ blacks exist, but they're still dragged down by their kin. Given that the average black IQ is 85, for every 100 IQ black, there's an equally stupid 70 IQ black. This makes it near impossible for blacks to maintain civilization with all the dead weight. You'd have to gas blacks with less than 100 IQ to have a shot, and even then you'd still have to gas most the offspring because of the regression to the mean.
That pigeon got its legs broken, most likely by a cat. It probably died.
Please don't feed stray cats.