Shirou thread

The biggest reason why I hate Fate 2006 is that it made people hate Shirou, or worse, made them think he was just a generic MC. The core of Fate/stay night is his development and the influence the HGW has on him. UBW 2014 did a far better job of portraying his character, but he was still far less nuanced than he should have been. Zero secondaries seem to think that the main characters being older automatically makes them better, which is complete bullshit.
Post Shirou, Archer also welcome

>it's another i hate x because of x's fanbase thread

Kid had a hard life.

Shirou is the greatest mc of all times

he looks like a fag and his ideals are stupid

I didn't read anything from OP implying that he hates the series. If anything, it's clear that he loves F/SN and wishes that more people understood better Shirou's character. Which is a little hard if you haven't read the VN, since even the 2014 anime adaption didn't do a great job at portraiting him.

a big fault is both animes skip over a lot of shirous monologues, since thats kind of hard to do outside of a print format.

>UBW 2014 did a far better job of portraying his character
It failed to portrait correctly any character at all. Deen's Fate was quite nice for what it was, Shirou and the others were okay in that. UBW trash has Rin rolling on the floor and sticking her butt out because we fanservice now. Enjoy your shit taste.

The problem is that Fate is written from his perspective, and you spend 90% of the VN inside his head

Exactly, it's something that will never transfer to anime. Far as I'm concerned he's been portrayed pretty well in both Deen and ufotable anime but we're seeing him from an outside perspective rather than effectively "possessing" him.

It's even worse since you can't get the full scope of Shirou's character development without reading all three routes.

I only know the that I want to lick him

I love Shirou.

People not liking Shirou after watching UBW are cat on head retarded.

> all three routes.
He only develops in Fate and somewhat in UBW. He regresses in HF(worms are bad for you).

> People not liking Shirou
>are retarded

Yep. He's not a bland beta self-insert like the majority of anime MCs. And you have to get into his inner world, to understand his character. Too difficult for anime manchilds who can only jerkoff to dumb mamoru shounen shit.

Becoming a beta bitch for a bulldyke and a forced happy ending with both of them becoming OoC is not development.
It's changing the characters to fit the plot.

UBW is the canon route and one that is most liked by everyone.

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you're pretty fucked in the head if you can self insert into shirou

Saber getting Blacked Doujins when?

the only bad thing about Shero is his taste in women.

you fucking psycho

There's already a ton of "saber gets fucked by black guys and raped by numerous swarthy faceless men" porn out there
it' surprisingly common as a matter of fact
it's wierd, you'd think it would be all yuri and futa shit

Yeah but it doesn't feel like cuck shit with Black Archer.

HOHOHOHOHO

>Shirou turns brown in his bad end.
>Turns black in even edgier bad end.
For what purpose?

> UBW is the canon route

So much denial. Fate is canon. It's pretty obvious if you use your brain.

Funnily enough in F/GO Saber Alter actually mentions she wasnts to share a meal with Emiya Alter.
If you catch my drift

You are not supposed to self-insert into good written characters, they have their own personality.

EMIYA deserves all the suffering he gets

Your whore mother deserves all the dicks she gets.

>wonder who is behind this post

>oh gee, i hate doing the right thing- better go and be a bad person in the past, thats bound to make things better!

HF true would beg to differ
all routes and bad ends are canon ding dong

No, eat shit.

>canon

Multiverse, Kaleidoscope, yada yada yada,

Saber Alter loves Emiya Alter

How exactly did shirou's teacher manage to beat saber?

Haven't read the VN's only has the anime to base my conclusion and you're right, I find him a shitty MC.

Martial art based around surprise attacks.
Caster's magic augmentations.
Saber's overconfidence.
Or you can just say that it's bad writing,

HF Shirou best Shirou.

Something something assassination techniques that saber never experienced before something something caster enhancements.

Prease ignore the part where saber is able to keep up with assassin's swordstyle despite it being from hundreds of years after her death too so she shouldn't have any experience against that either.

t.nasu

because he received a sufficient magical boost and was a bad enough dude

you forget that servants are just badass people from a time when magic was stronger, if a modern badass were granted magic that is no longer available they would be able to fight servants

also saber a jobber

There's something oddly satsifying about saying CYASTA NO MASTA. It's the main reason I still pay attention to the nasuverse.

otp

Wormfag, killurself pls.

I find it satisfying to chant Shirou's UBW aria in japanese. Especially the final MUGEN NO TSURUGI DE DEKITEITA.

Dark Sakura does things to my dicks

This scene will the the pinnacle of Ufotable if they did it right.

I know right, as much as I like vanilla Sakura, there's something about Dark Sakura that makes my dick feel funny.

The struggle and development that HE Shirou goes through truly makes him the GOAT Sherou

He's such an idiot in Fate that I couldn't bring myself to even play the other two routes. Terrible protag.

I hope they leave in all the internal monologue in that part.

Zero > fsn
Shiro a shit
Even japs agree.
The hype that we had in 2012 was something else. Fsn shit can't come ever closer.

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>tfw no elf christmas cake caster gf

If Shirou knew about the Grail War, didn't gave Avalon as a catalyst, and EMIYA was already summoned, who would he get? I'm leaning to either Sumanai and Jekyll

>Caster
>christmas cake
Nigga, she's thousands of years old. That's way beyond christmas cake age.

can someone explain god hand? if I kill hercules fast enough with a weapon 12 times does he die?

You either have to subject his body to enough trauma to kill him 12 times (rin exploding his face off counts as one kill), or hit him with enough overkill to burn through 12 lives worth (caliburn apparently is at least 6 kills in one go).

>didn't gave Avalon
He'd be dead in the school hallway.
If he did survive, I'd bet on Artoria anyway, since they're perfectly compatible, and Seiba has to partecipate in the Grail War because of the contract.

YER A WIZARD SHIROU

So... all you have to do is kill him fast enough 12 times before you he becomes immune to your A rank attack?

Given that hercules as berserk could basically shrug off most noble phantasms without a scratch I don't think it's as easy as you make it sound.

He knows about the War meaning he already summoned his Servant

He cold only shrug off below A rank nobel phantoms.

Piece of cake for Shirou.
Just UBW and shoot 12 Excaliburs at him.

>tfw there's no ending where you ditch everything and fuck Dark Sakura for eternity

No

How the fuck did Archer even lose?

To be fair, Hercules in the berserker class summoned by loli magic jesus isn't exactly typical for his abilities. If he was any other class, with a more nomal average master he'd burn through 12 lives very quickly.

He can't trace divine constructs, though. And even if he could, he'd have to Broken Phantasm all of them to reach A-rank and that requires charging them with enough mana.
Now imagine Shirou running away from Berserker for a full minute with 12 Excaliburs in his hands.

Had to lose for the plot to progress. Otherwise he'd be able to solo all the other servants with his infinite excaliburs.

Shirou is more liked than Kerrytugu

What was his excuse for UBW not being able to defeat another servants?

Baited.

Caliburn 2 is about as strong as excalibur. It just lacks the bullshit broken divine powers that are mostly useless for a straight up fight.

He can shit those out with ease and he drilled Berserker and took one of his lives.
Hell he could have killed berserker right then and there but he thought that berserker would be more useful as illyas guardian and a way to thin the heard but also wanted to kill shirou.

Fate is the only route where Shirou gets to throughly beat Shinji up. In UBW he is cockblocked by Rin and in HF by Sakura.

It also focuses on best girl

is this a bait?
He has spoken. TRUTH TRUTH OF 5555

> He can't trace divine constructs, though.
Nothing stops him from doing it. Just needs to put a little more effort, you know. Could ask Saber to let him take a closer look at her sword and learn it's secrets.
> Now imagine Shirou running away from Berserker for a full minute with 12 Excaliburs in his hands.
He can cast UBW and launch all excaliburs at the same time.
> And even if he could, he'd have to Broken Phantasm all of them to reach A-rank and that requires charging them with enough mana.
Could project real ones, and make them all EX+. Nothing stops him from doing it.

> What was his excuse for UBW not being able to defeat another servants?
Didn't want to see how Shirou banged Rin instead of Saber.

Archer can't project Caliburn. Only Shirou could because of his memories of Saber and Shirou could only won by projecting Caliburn and making Saber herself use it to unlock it's Full Power.

Archer lost the ability to replicate Caliburn and he wouldn't be able to use it in the same way Saber did

Yeah FUCK Shirou little faggot ass pussy, there's only 1 Fate man I'd go gay for and it's this sexy motherfucker right here. Shirou ain't SHIT.

>mfw

she was dead for most of them so it doesent count

>Bait

Here is the most recent popularity poll for you, user

I refuse to believe that shit. But since Gilgamesh is fourth. I'm not even mad.

>that thumb

UGH

Drink more milk you fucktard.

who are top 3

>At least Gilgamesh is in 4th
Still lost to Shirou.

Face it, Kerrytugu is old news now that Zero is old and busted. The Prisma Shirou movie and HF on the other hand...

Read up on what UBW can and can't do. Nasu explicitly stated that Shirou can't trace shit like Excalibur or Ea, because both materials and production processes are otherworldly in nature. And every projection he makes is one level below the original, he can't "project real ones", he's called faker for a reason. He might be able to build one, like he does with Zelretch, given schematics and materials, but none of these are present on Earth for divine constructs.

wait... this isn't a real poll THIS IS THE FAKE ASS TYPEMOON POLL WHERE THE ARTISH AND CREATOR OF TYPEMOON VOTED.

Who's number one? My bet's on Ilya.

Shiro is shit in Fate, OP. DEEN got that right

Shiki this poll is fake. Only the creators of typemoon was allow to vote.

Kotomine route when

>VS. Saber: At long range, he has the advantage, but at close range, Saber's far superior skills trounce him.
>VS. Lancer: Same as with Saber, but since Lancer has Protection from Arrows, it's just a bad matchup for Archer all around.
>VS. Berserker: Broken Phantasms are costly, and it's hard to fight Berserker for an extended period without taking any damage.
>VS. Caster: He won that encounter.
>VS. Assassin: Assassin is just too strong at melee. Sniping him isn't easy either, because you can't reliably hit him from the back due to where he is.
>VS. Rider: Archer has no defense against Rider's Mystic Eyes.

> Nasu explicitly stated that Shirou can't trace shit like Excalibur or Ea, because both materials and production processes are otherworldly in nature
He's gonna produce one in HF movie.

>arcueid manages to beat both of the non saber waifus despite not having an appearance in anything for years

How does she do it?

Then why can gilgamesh beat them with GOB?

plot

Archer has D magic resistance, he get slowed thy Riders eyes, but not petrified. He would still lose in QQ, but would win if he manages to get out UBW before she does Pegasus