You will never experience Human Instrumentality

>you will never experience Human Instrumentality
What would you have chosen, Sup Forums?

Rei.

Just take salvia

A good movie.

>What would you have chosen, Sup Forums?
Asuka, just like Shinji.

This is a fine image, user.

>shipping bullshit in every thread
It can't be helped, can it

Until delusional homos stop disputing it.

Even if you're right, who fucking cares. Shipping is cancer.

I don't know why some works of fiction portray us becoming some fucking hivemind as a positive thing.

Because it is positive. Instrumentality removes our insecurities and imperfections.
Being eternally floating in a primordial sea of LCL with Rei on top of you doesn't seem like a bad thing.
Even if you refuse instrumentality and decide to come back, you'll have gotten a free psychoanalysis session and that's inherently positive.

Why would you ignore such a large part of the show?

Shipping itself isn't a large part of the show, it's used in order to display the character's issues.
In itself, it's uninteresting, and unfortunately, Eva provides just enough ambiguity for shipping wars to be endless and unbearable.

>The characters' relationships aren't a large part of Neon Genesis Evangelion

Redo it to unlock best girl route.

I value my individuality too much to consider a hive mind a positive.

>using "relationships" as a substitute for "shipping"
Can't fool me, user. Discussing characters' relationships and interactions can be done without arguing about who Shinji might've ended up with (which the finale of EoE indicates would be Asuka anyway, Rei being a non-human entity, Kaworu being dead, and Misato choosing to stay in the sea of LCL).

Instrumentality isn't really a hive mind, from what was shown in 25-26 and EoE it seems that people keep a certain degree of individuality

I would have chosen Asuka.
Just look at that silhouette.
Those hips.
That hairstyle.

You simply have no way to comprehend how good the hivemind experience would be.

Do you think you could inject heroin and morphine for a month then suddenly stop? No? Then you wouldn't be able to remove yourself from instrumentality either, which is a perfect orgy where wounds no longer exist.

Asuka does have some hips.

>tsunbathing

The obvious.
A team of engineers with enough heavy machinery and supplies to build a colony and start from there.
Also shoot any politician, pr specialist or marketing guru who comes out of the puddle. Any future colonists would have to pass like a voight-kampf test for non contributors.

I spend more time thinking of filenames than I do making captures

It also removes work, eg the thing that makes all the difference between a person and a monkey.
It removes both the need to make solutions and the agency to carry them out. For someone who likes work, instrumentality is worse than the Devil. At least in hell, there is a requirement to be vigilant and pay off your sins.

You don't understand the concept of instrumentality, go rewatch the movie.
It's not some sort of heaven where you're lazing around for eternity. It's just bliss, forever, which means that you wouldn't give a fuck about not working.

Whoever is posting this in every fucking thread is beginning to become pretty tiring.

The ending doesn't indicate whether Asuka and Shinji will get along and cope with each other's issues (plus the memories of the many clashes they had). Of course, among the cast, it's true that no one else is "available", but more people will de-tang, so the two children won't be alone too much.

I see. I think I'd still opt out given the choice.

Where are you getting this info? I think I could opt out if it was possible.

OKAY WE GET IT

I better not see any kaworuposting then.
This is a no-homo zone.

Just ignore that guy. He thinks that fanwank panel is the absolute truth of EVA, and that EoE is about "boy gets girl".

That's the mediocrity of current shippers.

The point of instrumentality is that it is escapism. It is to run away from the human condition.

The message of Eva is that you cannot and should not hide away from other people.

No, that's the interpretation and the message Anno wanted to convey through it, but instrumentality itself is nothing more than the merging of humanity into one.

You have it literally backwards.
When Rei asks if Shinji wants to leave Instrumentality she says, "You can leave if you're suffering. It's okay to run away."

Yes, I get that, but I just think that to as the question OP did is to kind of disregard the interpretation of it.

>I just think that to as the question OP did is to kind of disregard the interpretation of it.
Are you having a stroke?

Can you elaborate? I don't remember that specific scene.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

No, I'm feeling just fine.

Then write properly you fucking ape.

It's the part where there is apparently an orgy of souls happening, you hear lots of sex taking place in the background

I made a typo and missed the k in ask, but I should think that an adult would still be able to understand my meaning.

Rei and Shinji both called Instrumentality the place he escaped to, literally noone else recommended to Shinji that he leave it.

Kaworu.

This seems more right. I don't remember what was talking about.

As one retard attempting to translate for another, probably meant something like
>I just think that to ask the question which OP asked is to partially disregard the intended interpretation of Instumentality

Here

EoE is just about Shinji running away again

I'll have to keep an eye out for this when I rewatch Eva next time. It seems very contradictory to the rest of the show if that really is the intention of the scene, but I don't remember.

The intended interpretation doesn't matter if we're strictly talking about the events of EoE.
If it happened in reality there would be no "interpretation" of Instrumentality.

It's the segment between the seizure montage and the sexy montage with the sketches of upskirts and invitation to overlap the bodies and souls. She's not talking about escaping the singularity.

Change everything to the way it was before the impact with the only difference of giving humans the powers and abilities of angels.

It's supposed to parallel the fact that he have been running away the entire series and in the end he does the opposite of running away and instead faces reality which is the point.

???
You're just adding noise. That's not what she's saying to him.
She's saying he can exit instrumentality if he wants.

If that's noise, it makes more sense for you to be so confused by the plain dialogue in the scene.

If you misunderstand one scene this badly I would hate to hear about your overall thoughts of Evangelion.

That scene is during the instrumentality were it is basicly trying to "convince" Shinji of the good of instrumenntality since the line before that is "If you're suffering, you can quit" and the line after is "You want to feel relife don't you?"
It's obviouslt about the benefits of instrumentalty not Shinji's choice of rejecting it.

No they're simply giving him both sides of the argument so to speak
Stop trying to postrationalize 'You can exit instrumentality if you wish, it's okay to run away' as NOT meaning what it unambiguously says.

But the point is that instumentality is running away from people and intreacting with them without the fear of being hurt because of the release the barriers which sepreates us ut makes us individuals. I am honestly suprised you missed the point of the entire franchise this much.

Meshing with the entire world's population isn't 'running away' from people, you're a goofus embedded in too many layers of cognitive dissonance.

It's running away from being hurt and not understanding people enough too to interact without hurting both of you. Which is the entire point of NGE from more or less the begining.
Rewatch the series, the movie or simply that scene and it becomes obvious what it's going for.

>you wouldn't give a fuck about not working
In that case, the real me would simply cease to exist.

You need to rewatch, sorry.

>my individuality depends on some vague notion of productivity

This would make for a great rpg campaign or novel. Write it.

Americans.txt

That's the point though that you as an individual becomes one with everyone.

It's like they didn't get it at all.

The entire point of the show is to choose Asuka. The entire point.

No, the entire point of the story is to not be like Asuka, but to be like Rei.

So in fact, it's to choose Rei.

Fuck off.

What happens in instrumentality if you have no friends or family? Do you just sit in the tang alone?

Rei is with you, probably.

The difference between and I, is that I'm telling you the truth whether or not you like it. I'm not talking about shipping, but what the actual series shows and tells you.

At the end of the day, it's Rei who prevails through her various ordeals, learns to know and understand herself, and who also brings Shinji out of his funk, and paves the way for everyone else to do the same.

Asuka on the other hand, always represented the regressive otaku mindset of living in a fantasy world, rejecting real life. Hence she plays at being the #1 EVA pilot, and dies in a ditch as a puppet until Rei and Shinji's instrumentality saves her.

Was Gendo saved?
Even though he behaved like an asshole, in the end he was just like Shinji and didn't deserve to die alone.

Only if everyone gets cool angelic names ended in -el.

No you baka.
Rei is the mother, the woman on which to place your ideals for romanticism with out having to consider their psyche.
A doll, a waifu, a crush.

Asuka is the show telling the viewer the hardship of having something 'real'.

Factually untrue.

There's a reason this doll/waifu/crush is represented by none other than Asuka, the lifeless doll Shinji uses as masturbation material in EoE or physically abuses without ever considering her psyche.

There's a reason for why Rei is precisely the character that proves it's not a puppet by doing what no other character succeeded at, defying Gendo. There's a reason for why it's Rei that brings Shinji out of his escapism in both NGE and EoE.

Rei never resorts to escapism to get by, but Asuka does. The moral is simply to take from Rei, and try to help the Asukas.

Instrumentality is shit because it's like Shankaran hinduism, and causes a rejection of the Maya/Manifestation in pursuit of going back to a state of Oneness. It's a mistake, since it erases individuality and turns Creation into a mistake. It is also a fake Oneness, since it excludes Manifestation.

I'd hijack Instrumentality into an Aurobindo's Supermind, effectively grating Oneness but at the same time, conserving Individuality and the Whole Manifestation, and achieving the full development of Everything.

In English doc

To continue;

Asuka is the show showing the viewer how disgusting the otaku can be when it gives into escapism. It's telling you that relying on a fantasy to keep going will only bring you down. It's telling you that never questioning yourself or others will lead to your ruin.

Rei is the show showing the viewer how to endure hardships and how to better understand and accept yourself through making relationships and questioning yourself. It's telling you to have self-insight and act on that self-insight to improve yourself.

The show demonstrates this very patently by having Rei sacrifice herself for others, giving up pieces of her own happiness to progress her own life and others. It shows this by having Rei being the only character who can at the end, without the aid of instrumentality group therapy, do like Gloria Gaynor and shout "I am what I am".

In the same way it demonstrates this by showing that Asuka is unable to physically walk, talk or even do anything but collapse UNLESS she has a chance too live out her fantasy of being the best EVA pilot. The story demonstrates that Asuka is little more than a pathetic puppet by showing her go into a coma when her puppet masters, NERV, say that she can't pilot any more. Removing her object of dependence, her strings, Asuka is now just a lifeless doll that Shinji later uses as a hotglue figure.

When Asuka fans try to twist Evangelion upside down by claiming the opposite, they are in fact otaku living out their own escapism, trying to fill the hole of their own unfulfilled romantic desires. Just like that pathetic user that keeps pushing that shipping pic earlier in the thread.

Read about Shankaram Hinduism, Aurobindo's Divine Life, or look for Tiphereth in the Tree of Life.

Have some mushroom jesus

You don't know what you're talking about unfortunately

I like Rei more because her voice is soothing.

Any time, anywhere.

Hah, looks like you got so blown the fuck out you can't respond.

I'm genuinely disgusted with the length you've taken your own self-delusion.

Reminder that Asuka is CANONICALLY nothing more than a fleshpipe for the sexual desires of young beta losers.

Shinji acknowledges that he's fucked up. Do you?

I like this interpretation, you usually don't see positive rei-centric themes being discussed.

I haven't posted in this thread before now, was just browsing and saw some retarded post I felt like laughing at

It's because Asuka fans in actuality hate the reality Evangelion and spend every waking moment of their fanbase trying to twist it into a mere otaku fantasy.

Asuka is a worthless bitch, but she's their waifu so they hate it.

*crying
Get a life.

I think Rei is more of a lore character, as in her character is more a story vehicle.
It's different to compare her character to Asuka like it is to compare Shinji and Kaworu(Kaoru?).

I don't think Rei's really well defined in Evangelion, except for in 2.0 where she makes more sense as a foil to Asuka.

It's hard to analyse.
Do you take scenes from Dance Like You Want to Win and make your own assumptions?
I don't know. In my mind it's the show saying, "Contact can be hard, but that's the reality of it, and good can come from that", that's what I feel Asuka represents.

I have never seen someone say "I want to fuck Rei because she's meek and submissive and Asuka's fierce personality frightens me" in so many words

Rei is both. Rei drives the story, the lore, and is a supremely important character in the original. She's described as the very essence of Evangelion by the contemporary critics, only later otaku fanboy filth remakes have changed that perception.

Rei is more of a character than Asuka is in the original TV-series, consider that Rei actually has a full cycle of development like Shinji. Asuka doesn't, but simply ends unfulfilled. Modern works is just about otaku pandering.

>I don't think Rei's really well defined in Evangelion, except for in 2.0 where she makes more sense as a foil to Asuka.

Yeah you don't know what you're talking about. Kill yourself.

>worthless
Asuka has many flaws, but I thought her fight against the Eva series in EoE was great.
Starting from the moment when she realizes her mother is inside 02, she starts to let go of her insecurities.
>meek and submissive
Rei comes off as cold and distant to me.

Asuka has no "fierece" personality, she's a cartoon character. The thought that losers like you think they are being brave by waifuing a cartoon is utterly pathetic.

I get the feeling that lack of action, initiative and creativity within instrumentality would drive you insane within the space of fifteen minutes.
Take away reason and creation and you've essentially killed God.

>Asuka has many flaws, but I thought her fight against the Eva series in EoE was great.

But also worthless. The fight is cool, but ultimately pointless, just like Asuka's entire existence.

In the meantime, this is Rei soaring above the world as an Angel.

When you've got absolute fulfillment and perfection, you don't need concepts like action and initiative. Stop thinking of Instrumentality within the frame of reference we use to perceive conventional reality.
>The fight is cool, but ultimately pointless
She couldn't have done anything, really. Even if she managed to go berserk with 02 before getting eaten alive, the Eva series couldn't be defeated.

>She couldn't have done anything, really. Even if she managed to go berserk with 02 before getting eaten alive, the Eva series couldn't be defeated.

Precisely. Her struggle was pointless, just like it was in the series. She is being punished for her sins, and no delusions of grandeur can save her. No matter how great she thinks she is, she will get beat up, raped and killed. This is her punishment.

Only Rei's forgiving and caring nature can save her, and lo and behold: that's what happened. Evangelion is telling you that losers that like Asuka cannot save themselves or anyone else. Evangelion tells you through it's characters that the only way to progress in your life is by taking responsibility, giving up on delusions and accepting reality for what it is - just like Rei does.

Rei represents self-development, learning to care for others and restoring your own self worth.

Asuka represents self delusion and regression, and ultimately death and failure. This is why she's being choked at the end, Shinji's final rejection of his failures.

>punished for her sins
She doesn't deserve to be punished for circumstances she had no control over.
Her terrible personality was only a result of what she went through when she was a kid.

But Rei is above everything in the story, in a literal sense too.
There's no real development to her in Evangelion. She's not a character in the traditional sense.
Which is weird to me because of how the early episodes treat her, and a few of the later ones.

You can't characterize Rei coming back, it doesn't work with the psychological aspect of the show.
And you can't characterize her looming over Shinji the entire way through, watching from start to end.
Like her quick appearance in episode 1, that's something above being human.

Asuka is the human element. It's the real element of romance.
Rei is almost like a red herring to the romance.