Fate/Zero is the only Fate-based media that isn't self-insert bullshit

>Fate/Zero is the only Fate-based media that isn't self-insert bullshit
>it's the best in the series
Hmm, really gets the almonds turning....

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>what is Strange Fake
>what is CCC
>what is GO post Septem

>Fate/Zero is the only Fate-based media that isn't self-insert bullshit
But Kiritsugu is literally made for manchildren to self-insert into.

It's almost as if it's based on one irritating high school club's obsession with one kid's supposedly private internet browsing history and child porn downloadings

Who is the self insert in Prisma Illya?

Illya is a female self-insert for little girls; she's literally the universe's equivalent to Shirou

>what is GO post Septem
The same thing as it was pre-Septem, a shitty gacha mobage?

But then who is Shirou?

>Sup Forums is famous for being filled with little girls
Gee I wonder.

>Strange Fake
Admittedly this one is great
>Extra/CCC
Self-insert waifu garbage
>Grand Gacha
Waifu pokemon garbage

Kiritsugu

>both the protagonist and main antagonist are intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor
>no self insert bullshit

But what if the self-insert is the waifu? Check mate, atheists.

>....
Admit it, you just want bait reaction images for your collection.

Shit?

Clearly you haven't played it then as it has some of the best story writing in the Fate franchise

>it's the best in the series

Berserker's first errand never fails to crack me up.

Right? It's shit.

>Fate/Zero is the best in the series
Doesn't that one still have Shirou in it? I think I watched an episode or two of the anime and all I remember him doing is walk around and be fawned over by little girls.

I know this is a shitpost but so far Strange Fake blows Zero and maybe even SN out of the water

I've read the first volume of Strange Fake so far and just thought it was okay. What makes it so good?

>Can only get threads going these days if you bait replies by intentionally acting like a retard.

>maybe even SN out of the water
Any Fate/ blows SN out of the water

I'll agree it is the best in the series and honestly I had hoped all following Fate media would've followed it's theme and tone but then it's sequel Prisma Illya happened and all hopes were dashed.
Also Prisma Illya isn't self insert unless you fantasize about being a little girl.

I stopped watching Prisma awhile ago. I read on Sup Forums that Shirou stole the show from Illya?

SN is overall average with just some standout moments, so that's not a big accomplishment.

I never watched Prisma but this trailer makes him look like the MC at least: youtube.com/watch?v=5tMdusG8ZC4

Kill yourself zerocancer

Fuck off secondary

Strange Fake doesn't have a teenage highschool boy who got "dragged" in Holy Grail War and summons a waifubait servant.

>A Holy Grail Is Starting And A Bunch Of Characters Keep Appearing But Nothing Is Happening?!

Kiritsugu was originally Urobochi's self-insert.
Then it became edgefag's self-insert.
Nevermind how the series went beyond irrecoverable post-flashback.

Zero didn't have this either, did it?

Unless you've got an interesting interpretation of either Waver or Ryunosuke and their respective Servants.

If you structure Zero in order of events presented rather than episode order, the story started with a young boy who got dragged into magic and eventually committed himself to the Holy Grail War.

He's the opposite of Kerry

You know you posted Prisma right ?

I was about to go in-depth about how disgustingly bad Urobuchi's writing is and all the flaws in Fate/Zero, and then I remembered that the rabid fans it has are anime-only retards that try to act elitist yet they don't even read the original fucking novels

>Kiritsugu
>"Self insert fantasy"
>Devoted father
>Weeps in his wife's arms with fear and self doubt

>Shitrou
>Japanese highschool student who lives in a mansion by himself with no grown ups
>Beats the big bad against impossible odds with the power of shounen plot armour (and swords), plus gets all the hot girls from his highschool and has sex with them numerous times

YAMEROOOOOOOO

Secondaries are truly the biggest scourge a fanbase can have.

>Japanese man
>With a wife and child
>That he throws away for his career
>Not a perfect self-insert for the Japanese

Fatefags are a garbage fanbase with or without secondaries. Secondaries just give fatefags who are capable of reading someone to look down on.

Strange fake does what zero wanted to do but better, but at the same time nothing has actually happened in it so it's just a string of ''cool'' moments with no substance.

>Kiritsugu
>A literal manchild who refers to himself as ''boku'' who throws away everything for an obviously flawed ''wish granting device'' to forcefully achieve his ''perfect world''

>Shirou
>A mentally damaged young man who knows the holy grail war is bullshit but fights to protect innocents from suffering the same fate he did ten years ago. Knows his ideal is flawed but stands by it as there is nothing wrong with a good natured person who gains pleasure from helping people

>weeps in his wife's arms with fear and self doubt
Unless the nips are more fucked up than I thought, I don't think they would self insert as that.

Is there any entry in the Fate series that isn't focused on a holy grail war but goes into all of the background shit that goes down like the inner workings of the mage association or the church or stuff related to the counter guardians or whatever EMIYA is part of?

Strange/Fake not only does what Zero wanted to do but better, it does what Apocrypha wanted to do and blows it out of the fucking water.

>Every master gets equal focus and is interesting
>As does EVERY FUCKING SERVANT

No wonder he keeps adding volumes.

>Strange fake does what zero wanted to do but better, but at the same time nothing has actually happened in it so it's just a string of ''cool'' moments with no substance.

This sounds like DRRRR or Baccanno until their climaxes

>People still say Shirou is a self insert
I can never decide if that means they haven't read it, they're a speed reader and missed just how messed up Shirou is, or they're honestly so fucked in the head that Shirou seems like someone they could self insert as.

Mahoutsukai no Yome focuses on the magic bits of the Nasuverse, but no one in the west gives a shit about that cause it's not TL'd.

It's really just another Narita story with Fate characters.

When will Sup Forums grow out of the self-insert buzzword?

It's weird because SF is such a fun read and i'd recommend it to anybody but while reading there's the underlying feeling of no consequences and no danger in what should be a VERY fucked up grail war.

So far that's exactly what it is.

>but no one in the west gives a shit about that cause it's not TL'd
Such a shame too because aoko truly is best sensei

It has my favorite moment in the entirety of Fateverse, though.

>Gilgamesh and Enkidu meet again, and Gilgamesh is written as an actual character instead of the trash that Nasu/Urobuchi tried to force him as.

I've never been more pleased.

>Hmm, really gets the almonds turning...

If it were TRULY good it would activate the almonds, not turn them

(You)

Are there only 9 chapters of SF tranlated?

That's what Narita does.

If it makes you feel any better, some of them aren't acting.

Does that mean that Nasu is gay?

All four volumes are done.

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El Melloi Case Files is pretty much about the mage's association and various incidents that Waver gets dragged into.

>Kiritsugu
>not a self-insert

He is literally the "characters that remind you of yourself - intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor" for you fags.

It's amazing how every Fate thread on Sup Forums will get replies. Regardless of how obviously bait or low quality it is.

It usually just turns into a Fate thread with some people responding to bait.

>isn't self-insert bullshit

Not an argument.

>4 volumes are currently out and nobody died yet
>meanwhile Zero ended with 4 volumes while Apocrypha and Fragments finished in 5 volumes
Narita is dragging it too long.

Only underage subhumans like Shirou

When you stop defending self-insert MCs

Are you a secondary or something? I don't understand how someone could complain about SF's slow pacing when the VN took three routes for Stay Night in order it to be finished.

>shirou
>not a self-insert

>(The Secret of Mahoutsukai no Yoru's Birth, Published in TYPE-MOON Ace 2, tsukikan.com/misc/the-secret-of-mahou-tsukai-no-yorus-birth.html)
>Nasu:
> Tsukihime and Fate are more about projecting yourself as the heroes, seeing through the eyes of Shiki and Shirou while experiencing adventurous scenarios, where the players should feel they have played a very fun game. Mahoutsukai no Yoru is played in the third person, the players can't project themselves onto any characters. They can't place their feelings on top of a character, but instead feel happy being in the position where they can over see the complicated story between the three main characters. To be happy not only about a particular character, but about the world view, this is how I intend it to be.

Different mediums. The VN's pacing was pretty bad but the entirety of the story was released at once. SF on the other hand isn't. Slow pacing + slow release can make the audience lose interest in the series.

>Strange fake does what zero wanted to do but better, but at the same time nothing has actually happened in it so it's just a string of ''cool'' moments with no substance.
Nothing really "happens" in Zero either until Gilles starts his Cthulhu business.

> Kayneth's Fried Circuits
> Banquet of Kings
> Waver and Iskander bonding

> Nasu wants his audience to self-insert as a psychotic, rapist

THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

> everything in F/0 was told to pen by Nasu, hence why it's good
> Urobuchi is a shit writer and F/0 is a shit as per result

can VNautists be a bit more consistent?

You can self-insert into characters that aren't complete blank slates. You can have a character with their own issues, motivations, character arcs, etc, basically, an actual character, and have them be self-inserts as well.

Granted, I can get why you guys forget, Japan seems to have forgotten that you don't need an extremely normal, inoffensive, perfect, boring, non-character as someone you can insert too.

People will fellate Nasu for anything, even for gachashit.

>even Nasu says Shirou is a self-insert
Why do people try to deny this?

Because not everyone projects himself as Shirou due to how fucked and messed up he is? Similarly for Shiki.

Do you want a true self insert protag? Look at FGO

Guda[k]o has a defined, distinct personality, regardless of whether or not it is directly addressed or indicated. I frequently find myself disagreeing with all of the available choices - dialogue or otherwise - when playing as Guda[k]o.

>he is still trying to deny it
Don't try to look down on FGO when the VN is an otaku pandering trash from the very beginning specially the first route.

>Because not everyone projects himself
Nasu and the main target audience of Fate Visual Novels in Japan says otherwise.

Does [s]he? Granted, I'm only in orleans, but I barely see any for of individuality rather than the occasional displays of slightly being overtly casual or very light displays of wit.

Do you even understand what "not everyone" means?

>Kiritsugu is nihilistic

That's because Mahoyo is read from two different perspectives instead of one. The MC from Extra is a good example of a self-insert because they possess no knowledge that the player doesn't and they have no real active role in the story, they just go along with the flow.

I mean that, sometimes, you are given only a choice between two negative things to say to a character. If I, as the player, can want to reject the premise of that dichotomy, the character must have a personality.

Orleans sucks, though. Honestly, you just get more personality as the game goes on and the writing improves. In Okeanos, there's a part in which Guda[k]o seems to get pissed because all of the Servants are talking about strategy amongst themselves without taking you into account or allowing you to say anything. There's also a part in which you needlessly interrupt David monologuing, and Mashu tells you to shut up.

So, there is a character in Guda[k]o, even if it is somewhat limited and isn't frequently addressed. My point is that it's not like you play as some sort of Gordon Freeman; never responding or reacting to anything.

Because you're trying to deny that Shirou wasn't a self-insert?
I take the words of the author more seriously and its main consumers than some anonymous on Sup Forums.

>Don't try to look down on FGO when the VN is an otaku pandering trash from the very beginning specially the first route.
This. Zerofag secondaries are retarded for thinking Fate is about "muh serious grail wars and mature masters" and stuff but VN elitists are just as retarded for looking down on GO for being a waifu pandering mobage shit when the VN also have elements like that.

She ia completely and utterly bland and has no backstory. She's meant to be (You)
I'm not denying anything, I'm just said that not everyone will self insert as Shirou. It's possible to self insert as him by ignoring his problems and focusing on all the pussy he gets and the ass he gets to kick though.

Most Fatefags don't really care for that however.
Read what the hell I'm saying for a change? I just said that not everyone does it. I can't see myself as Shirou, the guy is just too suicidal and selfless, I can't see myself as him. Nasu might have wanted readers to project themselves into him but that does not mean such thing is always possible since he didn't make Shirou a complete blank slate like Gudao

Nobody is trying to deny anything. Shirou and Shiki might have been originally build to be self inserts but their characters have grown beyond that.

Unlike Sieg or the shitty FGO MC

Having a "backstory" means having a characterization? That's interesting. Perhaps you should expound upon your theory; present it in a literary journal.

It helps. FGO's MC backstory is literally "He was walking around, saw a phamplet for Chaldea and decided to apply"

Compare it to Shirou, Shiki or Ryougi's backstories in each of their works and how deeply they affect the plot events and their characterization as main characters.

Well atleast you finally admitted that Shirou is a self-insert and was made for the average audience to project themselves unto him that almost every hardcore VNfags on Sup Forums is trying to deny.

>I just said that not everyone does it.
I don't care if you don't, but that doesn't change the fact Shirou was made for the avarage VN consumers(otakus) to self-insert and most of them do.

God Urobuchi does it again!

>He was walking around, saw a phamplet for Chaldea and decided to apply

I was excited for them to play up the whole "what the fuck am I doing here" aspect in the anime. Like, he's literally just some random fuck they picked off the street.

Shame they decided to play him so vanilla.

I'm sorry but Shirou isn't really that different to Sieg.

I just want to say that I fucking love you Kaiba.

He is. Sieg is basically a blank slate, he is better than FGO's protag but he'd also incredibly empty. That's the point of his character but that's how it is.