Do Americans really believe that all Australians were disarmed when our gun control measures were implemented after port Arthur?
Here's a simple rundown.
Semi automatics and pump shotguns were restricted, if required for your occupation or you have a genuine need for one (eg a farmer with a massive pest problem) you can still get one.
Handguns are legal, if you're a member of a shooting club you can own one as lone as its capacity doesn't exceed 10 rounds.
Bolt, lever and single shot long arms are still relatively easy to get, cost me $20 for my hunting permit so I could get one.
There's a 28 day cooling off period to get your gun, so if you're angry and gonna do something stupid you're given a chance to calm down abit.
Do these restrictions really sound so bad, I mean I know you guys love your guns, I love them too but we haven't had a mass shooting since.
>Do these restrictions really sound so bad Those sound fucking horrible, yes.
Wyatt Clark
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Isaiah Barnes
>we haven't had a mass shooting since.
You didn't really have them before either. Crime continued to go down at the same rate as it was before the ban. Gun control, and crime rates do not, and have never had, any link between them.
Jaxon Jackson
this
Cameron Taylor
>Do these restrictions really sound so bad >Any thoughts? Sounds fucking awful man. Fuck that shit.
Julian Lewis
99% of your island is literal desert/jungle/mountains. 0.5% is soyboy central cities. The rest is general countryside.
You have no mexicans coming in illegally. You have no basketball americans taking away entire cities like Detroit or Chicago.
Of course you'll be fine, mass-shooting-wise.
Colton Martinez
> if required for your occupation or you have a genuine need for one (eg a farmer with a massive pest problem) you can still get one This is just bullshit, they might as well grab them from farmers too. Its not like they "genuinely need one" either.
what about lever and straight pull actions, I bet they're okay for hunters? probably bolt actions with uhndred round magazines too
Isaac Edwards
Yea but why? I'm not being a troll I'm honestly curious. I love my guns but I also love how it's hard for any dipshit to just have one lying around.
Cooper Flores
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Gabriel Wright
>genuine need for one. Happened in my old country before I moved to the U.S. The only ones with guns are corrupt cops, inept military and terrorist scum. If America folds on gun rights the rest of the world will follow suit.
John Robinson
>I love them too but we haven't had a mass shooting since. it is painfully misleading to say this, considering your violent crime rate has gone UP.
the fact of the matter is this: american gungrabbers don't care about public safety, they only care about disarmament. the two are unrelated. if they cared about public safety, they wouldn't cite Australia as an example, because, like I said, the violent crime rate hasn't gone down. Even find it weird that the media uses the term "gun crime" so often? it's because that's all they care about. they've managed to convince a disturbing number of people that disarmament is the same thing as crime prevention thanks to the lie of omission that is the term "gun crime," when the opposite is the reality.
Oliver Ward
>In a country of 300 million people, only about 0.003% of the population has died in "mass shootings" Frankly that's pretty fucking amazing and proves that guns are a non-issue.
Lincoln Jones
youve actually had numerous gun related issues, but your media rarely reports on them. How are those bikers, maoris, and abbos with homemade shotguns and SMGs doin' ya mate?
not nearly as bad as the cancers spreading through Melbourne and other major cities.
Nicholas Wood
Please report all Sup Forums threads, hide them, and move on. Do not reply.
Jace Lewis
This
Aussie myself... I've seen first hand, Media simply doesn't report a lot of the crime here.
I work as a bouncer, And the amount of racially motivated attacks is horrendous... And that's abbo, lebo and Islander on white... Not the other way around
Disgusts me, I have a lifelong prejudice against them, Even in work... I don't show it, But deep down I just wish we'd have an ethnic cleansing.
Civil war when?
Christopher Bailey
Yes, it does.
Come and take it. I dare you.
Xavier Butler
The fucks a lebo?
John Lee
Uh-huh: Yanks' responses are about as expected.
Brandon Flores
Yeah, nah. It wasn't really about gun CRIME, as is the same with the USA. It is about mass killing NOT connected with crime as such.
James Myers
You'll notice that MSM are not the ones making laws. Really.
Lincoln Garcia
Lebanese. We have quite a few people here whose families migrated from Lebanon.
Asher Wood
To be fair so has our rate of immigration from 3rd world countries
Christian Sanders
Mate I'm not looking to take your gun, I'm genuinely curious. I'm in the military and work with the firearms our countries banned. To be fair I'm glad some of the guys I knew before I left home can't have access to them. At the same time I wouldn't mind having access to them myself. Catch 22 you know?
Gavin Hughes
Yea more or less. It'd be alright to find a nice middle ground
Landon Scott
>any thoughts
Yeah, fuck off.
Colton Nguyen
what do you think the middle ground would accomplish?
Elijah Brooks
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Dylan Perry
Friendly reminder that moot himself warned us about the Australian menace
Josiah Martin
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Zachary Jenkins
Hopefully less massacred schoolchildren.
Jose Bell
>Do these restrictions really sound so bad considering it sounds like your government does trust it's citizens in the slightest, yeah they sound pretty bad
Zachary Butler
A way of having decent law abiding citizens have access to the guns they want and keeping the same guns out of the hands of fuckwits and retards would be a decent start. I'd love to own a semi auto myself but I'd rather not have some of the blokes I know getting around with them.
Jackson Morales
Do you genuinely think there are as many school shootings as the media and liberals want you to? Do you realize how many times firearms are used defensively in comparison?
Wyatt Sanders
Mate I'd agree with that, no really that bothered to be honest
John Williams
Why do you nigger faggots always spout this shit? I don't give a fuck about your country, I don't give two shits about your kangaroo laws, I don't need a reason to not want gun control, my reason is fuck you pay me
Benjamin Watson
Firearms are used defensively here too, a side by side works wonders on a cooked abo with a knife trying to steal your car
Juan Fisher
>Do Americans really believe that all Australians were disarmed when our gun control measures were implemented after port Arthur? they should, because that's what happened. restricting access to weapons is a form of disarmament, and australia's restrictions are so strict as to be practically a ban >Semi automatics and pump shotguns were restricted unacceptable >you have a genuine need for one i.e. you need permission from your masters. unacceptable >Handguns are legal unacceptable >if you're a member of a shooting club you can own one as lone as its capacity doesn't exceed 10 rounds. unacceptable >Bolt, lever and single shot long arms are still relatively easy to get unless you live in a metropolitan area, as 90+% of the population does; and unless your "reason" for acquiring a gun is deemed unsatisfactory >There's a 28 day cooling off period to get your gun you forgot to mention that you must buy and install an immovable gunsafe (bolted to the floor) for your weapons, and that police will enter your home to make sure you've installed it and that you are using it to their satisfaction, and that they will do this periodically as long as you own firearms >so if you're angry and gonna do something stupid you're given a chance to calm down abit or they go out and stab someone, or glass them, or bash them, or assault them with a cricket bat, or get their friends to form a mob and do any of the aforementioned >Do these restrictions really sound so bad yes
Blake Bell
This is why you guys lost a war against fucking birds.
Jackson King
>never have a notable "mass shooting" in entire history >CIA niggers stage one as an excuse to take away guns >little Johnny takes them away >no mass shootings since >"SEE IT WORKED"
What a disingenuous argument....
Ryder Reed
Calm down mate, just having a yarn. It's not like I can come over and take your guns. I'd personally love me a couple of 7.62 semi autos for shooting some buff but I can deal with it
Eli Wilson
>Do Americans really believe that all Australians were disarmed when our gun control measures were implemented after port Arthur? Man, I bet that's what most Australians believe. Don't bullshit me, Australia.
Lincoln Collins
Have you ever looked into Port Arthur? The kangaroo court, the morgue truck, the amount of headshots firing from the hip in such a short amount of time, witnesses claiming that Bryant wasn't the one who shot them, lack of damage to Bryants ear drums despite firing in an enclosed space, witnesses claiming the shooter had a pock marked face while Bryants face is smooth. Lot of inconsistencies. Also >sub-70 IQ
Connor Perry
Police never came and checked my safe. It doesn't have to be bolted if it weighs enough. Can still get a firearm in a urban area, I live 10 minutes from my capital city's cbd and I own one. $20 hunting permit. I agree with some of your points but you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is. If you really want a gun you get one, most of your average idiots can't be bothered with the paperwork so it prevents them getting it.
Kayden Scott
How dare you speak to me
Levi Butler
Really? ZOG didn't organize any more false-flag mass shootings after they successfully used one to take your guns away? Color me shocked. Still didn't stop ISIS from holding all those people in the Lindt cafe hostage with a shotgun though.
Caleb Long
Yes you queer sounding nigger, that’s fucking awful. And the only reason why Australia doesn’t appear to suffer from mass shootings is because your government removed the legal definition of it.
Nicholas Jackson
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Carter Myers
Mate if a criminal really wants a gun he can get it but it's a massive effort. That's the point isn't it?
Liam Martinez
you can get one from tyrone for a couple hundred pretty easy in the US.
Jacob Harris
Nope not a queer or nigger, like I said I'd like the same guns as you guys get but I can deal with restrictions to stop fuckwits getting them
John James
As a politically aware gun owner, I myself harbor no such delusions. But nearly every clueless liberal who has debated gun ownership with me has believed exactly that. They further believe that there have been absolutely zero public shootings in Australia since all of your guns were confiscated. Yes they believe this bullshit because it's what other clueless liberals are telling them on TV.
Jace Ross
>you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is any limitation on my rights is a big deal >If you really want a gun you get one unless it's a pistol or a scary "army-type" one, or has to be imported from overseas >most of your average idiots can't be bothered with the paperwork a person whose rights are respected doesn't have to seek permission or fill out paperwork. i'd sooner wipe my arse with such paperwork
Mason Taylor
Here you'd have to look pretty hard to get a unlicensed gun. Hell I could get one but it's not worth the penalty if I was caught
Logan Williams
It takes a membership at a range to get a pistol. Get a roo shooters licence and get your scary army gun. No big deal really if it's your passion. I joined the military to play with them cos I really wanted to have a crack
Tyler Watson
it's also a massive effort to do it legally, and the pathetic outcome is not worth that effort or the cost involved
Ethan Kelly
Yes, they sound terrible. Fuck you, soyboy. This restricts pretty much every firearm that is suited for defense. The right to keep and bear arms isn't about hunting or plinking or any of that, it's about your right to defend yourself with out having to ask "mother, may I?" From the state, and to remove the state when they threaten that. Anyway this is bait, and 3/10 for getting me to respond I guess
Gavin Stewart
Except you get your gun and it's wildly unregulated once you've got it unless someone dobs you in for something
John Clark
free people don't need licences. and ar-15s aren't sold in this country, nor can they be imported by anyone without government approval
Julian Sullivan
>massively unregulated >cops enter your home on a regular basis Kek
Ian Jones
>can't even buy a straight-pull AR because it looks too scary
Wtf why don't you Yankees want to follow our great example?
Caleb Bailey
Thanks man I appreciate the recognition. I'd love looser laws here to be honest but I'm not really that bothered. To be honest the only law I'd really really wanna see changed here is the ability to defend yourself in your home using any level of force you deem necessary
Eli Turner
Cops never entered my home since 2003 and I've had licences firearms since then. Where the hell do you live?
Andrew Allen
>semi-autos banned; magazine restrictions; suppressors banned; import of parts and accessories banned; invasive police oversight; no concealed carry; no right to self-defence >wildly unregulated get serious
Jeremiah Clark
>can't defend your own home from an intruder >can't buy bang stick without mom's permission >most bang sticks off limits topjej
Elijah Bell
Moving to Switzerland if that happens. They can find my on my mountain
William Hill
Can defend your home but it has to be reasonable force. It's a joke, should be able to shoot the fucker no questions asked
Lucas Collins
So you don't have the right to defend your home? And you're saying your not disarmed? Maybe if you still had access to modern weapons, your politicians might care what you thought. I bet you guys lost your right to self defense after these weapons bans, right?
We have laws to keep degenerates from getting firearms, rather comprehensive laws at that, it just so happens that our law enforcement agencies are corrupt and incompetent to the point of being incapable of doing their jobs. All the gun laws in the world mean jack shit if they are not followed through on. Furthermore, the right to bear arms is inherent to being human and not granted by government or document or judgement of competence by peers, just as it should be. Governmentally regulated competency and need standards are extremely easy to abuse because the bar can be set so impossibly high that essentially no one can procure arms.
Benjamin Moore
If you have time to get your gun out of your safe, get your ammo out of your separate safe, load your gay little 10 round magazine and assemble the gun back together - your life wasn't really in danger. If you didn't do all of the above you're going to jail champ.
John Peterson
there's no right to self-defence period, regardless circumstance. if you injure or kill an attacker you could very easily be charged with a crime, especially if you do it with a weapon (weapon meaning anything they don't like)
James Campbell
what's "reasonable"? hop on your 'roo and hit the intruder with a cricket bat?
Julian Adams
Mate don't talk utter shit. You really think citizens with guns could do anything to the armed forces? You get half a dozen retards with a .223 holed up in a building and it wouldn't achieve shit. But honestly we're not yanks and we don't get all worked up over fuck all really. And the right to self defence has always being a sketchy topic here. It's our left wing fuckwits that believe that criminals shouldn't be hurt or killed for burglary because the punishment doesn't fit the crime... But remember law makers live in nice suburbs so they don't have a good grasp on that shit and poor people just donkey vote most of the time
Jaxon Jones
Or just don't keep your gun in the safe if you're that paranoid?
Jeremiah Torres
If you have a gun you don't need to use it - that's the point.
Nathan Cook
Equal force. They have a knife you get a knife, same with guns. It's ludicrous you have to keep even footing with someone on your property
Jonathan Watson
>we don't get all worked up over fuck all really unless there's an opportunity to get rid of guns in the wake of a mass shooting. then everyone gets off their dumb arse to demand action
Colton Lee
Gratz brah you're going to jail.
Jordan Mitchell
I should never have to specify a need to get a gun, especially not a semi-automatic. In fact, unless you are poor or have a certain level of nostalgia for old guns, you should not be using any sort of manual action rifles.
The standard civilian rifle should be semi-automatic, with a 30 round magazine. Anything less is to say we don't deserve a fighting chance against our own military.
Jackson Parker
well you gotta give them a fair chance. wouldn't want to do something that might deter someone from stealing your shit, would you?
Luis James
You never know what's in someone's house. Legally where I live I can own a sword, axe, knife, crossbow, fireworks, pepper spray and not be breaking any laws. A crim is always taking a risk
Justin Russell
tell that to the Taliban. They're illiterate mosing-nagant and lee-enfield armed goatfuckers who have fought invaders that have planes, tanks and nukes for soon half a decade
Kevin Baker
Na I'm just curious as to what you blokes would consider fair reforms
Jack Morales
for some reason people think being outgunned makes the better armed man impenetrable. this just in, humans are still squishy and die when they get shot, regardless of if they have a 20mm cannon or a slingshot.
Elijah Perez
Only if they can prove you weren't storing it there. Were you cleaning it after a shoot and hadn't stored it yet? Were you inspecting it before a shoot the next morning. Most cops will be decent and write a report in your favour if you're not a fuckwit
Robert Bailey
Longer if you count the soviet occupation, occupation by various European powers, the Romans, the Greeks...
Michael Rogers
Talking about the government yah dickhead: >You really think citizens with guns could do anything to the armed forces? You get half a dozen retards with a .223 holed up in a building and it wouldn't achieve shit
The government is far less likely to impede on your rights in the first place if they know everyone has guns.
Zachary Bailey
i don't want australia's laws to chage. australians deserve their fate. i just want MY guns
Hunter Sullivan
More or less. But lawmakers don't live in the shithouse suburbs. Those problems are for the poor
Aiden Sanders
Not him, but there's no fair reforms on the table. It's all bullshit, none of it works, it's not actually addressing the problem. It's just inconveniencing law abiding people for no reason.
Jonathan Miller
Cleavers carpet
Ryder Perez
What makes you say that? They did the gun buyback scheme when all you had to do to get a semi auto was to swear allegiance to the queen in the event of foreign invasion. Almost everyone had a gun then. And they handed them in...
Jaxson Carter
Which is understandably frustrating, but the fact that soooo many niggers have handguns over there scares the crap outta me way more than mass shooters
Ryan Parker
Every insurgency ever begs to differ. Some have succeeded and some failed, and America is literally built on a successful one, so while I get the rest of the Anglosphere that waited patiently for the crown to grant them their freedom not understanding why we care, I can't bring myself to value your opnion.
Caleb Campbell
>And they handed them in... Actually the """buyback""" (I fucking hate that term, it's the definition of pissing on someone and expecting them to call it rain) was very ineffective. iirc they only got about 20% of the guns they estimated were out there, and most of it was ancient junk that people just wanted to get rid of.
Eli Brooks
America is what makes me say that. Haven't you noticed hey have a lot more freedom than us? What gives them that freedom? (their guns)
Brandon Ross
Fuck off cuck We don't even have the basic human right of being able to defend ourselves here This country is a fucking mess, and too many faggots like you are just fine bending over and taking it up the ass by our overlords