JUST FUCK MY HEAVY INDUSTRY UP

JUST FUCK MY HEAVY INDUSTRY UP

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You guys had fun during his gun comments but lets not get carried away

But I thought Daddy Trump was going to protect our industry?

Forces manufacturers to buy American. Government subsidies prop up the industry. What's the problem? Not everything can be made in China.

>not importing steel
umm where will you get it then genius drumpf?
god this president is dumber than a box of thumb tax

this is a bot post, notice how it doesn't have any coherence with the thread?

>thumb tax
Pot, meet kettle.

>I dont understand how this all fits into the greater global geopolitical situation and i think Trumps doing this purely for domestic economic reasons
Brainlet.

Only a couple steps away from Communism if the government is using taxes like a cudgel to control the buying behaviors of companies, just so other less competitive companies can """earn""" money.

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>competing with countries whos population is basically a slave class who work for pennies
>not knowing the U.S had tons of tariffs in its early days before communism even existed

lmao faggot

>Implying there isn't already a trade war.

>the drumpflet believes all dissent is from Jewish propaganda robots

Just fuck my economy up

>dissent
>post doesn't make any sense

maybe try not being completely fucking retarded and you won't be mistaken for a literal robot

Well its Trade war or a real war in the south china sea +/- korea at the moment, I'm happy he picked Trade war.

>what's the problem with artificial and unsustainable growth?
nice 3rd world viewpoint ya got there buddy

How did that post not make any sense? Walk me through your thought process.

We have heavy industry?

/ptg/ on suicide watch

>Be China
>Produce shitty steel at a low price
>Slap export tariffs on raw steel
>No tariffs for exporting manufactured shit
>Manufacturing jobs in the US vanish
>Steel jobs in the US vanish
>Coal jobs in the US vanish
>China laughs

The only ones freaking out right now are kikes and chinks.
Kikes are horrified at the idea that "getting the cheapest price" is no longer the paramount objective.
Kikes will stab you in the back if it will save them a nickel because they have no loyalty to any nation

There simply isn't enough production capacity for American manufacturers to supply enough to meet demand, and companies would have to be idiots to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in new steel mills when history shows that the tariff will probably be repealed in a few years anyway

>tariffs protect and encourage domestic production
>make a post that implies its the opposite

maybe try graduating high school before posting stupid shit online retard

To be fair, a thumb tax would also be incredibly stupid.

This might actually be a good thing for america. If war were declared we're going to need a reliable source of metals.

the Chinese government has been subsidizing their steel industry for decades and flooding the world market with their cheap bullshit.
It's about time something was done

You've already been told, but the free market only works internationally if everyone is playing from the same rulebook. China is not.

Short of every American going to university and doing some kind of bullshit degree in arts or the soft sciences and being an ethnic overclass whilst the filthy third worlders actually build everything, globalisation is unsustainable.

Not to mention the slaves would eventually revolt and kill you all because they're the only ones with skills to do so. Each country should take care of its own manufacturing for its own needs, importing only when required.

Whoa, I'm redpilled now. When do we start gassing kikes?

The US during glided age had tariffs in 40% range, and before FDR they oscillated between 30 and 60 %.

Are you trying to tell me that the likes of Calvin Coolidge were commies?

Who's talking growth? I'm saying make American steel competitive.

China is playing the long game. They're not going to be a low cost slave manufacturing powerhouse forever. Once they pull enough people out of poverty they will use all of their resources to invest in educating their people for higher end jobs while we'll still be stuck footing the bill for outdated industries via government subsidies in the fucking rust belt.

You idiots don't realize how fucked we're going to be in 20 years.

Thank God. Chink steel isn't fit. They lie about the standards to undercut American producers

I laughed so hard at work, we buy A LOT of imported steel. I hate my company because they are foreign owned and collectivist. They do price fixing and transfer cost manipulation. Finally we are going to get our steel and Aluminum industries back. If I lose my job, I get another one at an American company with American management.

China will crumble. We have better quality steel and refining technology. It's curtains for them.

Fuck China. Fair trade, not free trade.

Like someone else said, free trade only works if everyone is playing by the rules, and China clearly isn't.

>Only a couple steps away from Communism if the government is using taxes to force US companies to bolster the US economy instead of importing shit material for pennies so they can rob the US citizens of more wealth
Are you shills honestly even trying anymore?

If you knew what CHina and Japan do to use government funds to undercut our core industries, you'd realize how full of shit you are. Only one US company can make aircraft aluminum right now. Your going to tell me every US steel company is not capable of beating dog eaters and street shitters?

China will keep both. Do you honestly believe that they have been subsiding steel industry to sell their steel below the market price for over 25 years now to say, lol I'm bored time to move the production to Bangladesh, we'll just keep the high end jobs, instead of exploiting the monopoly they've created?

>Once they pull enough people out of poverty they will use all of their resources to invest in educating their people for higher end jobs
top laff
>implying the chinese gubment wants anything larger than an oligarchy of educated people

this isn't making them competitive. It's putting money in the pockets of a few fatcats so some white trash retards in flyover country can keep their shitty outdated jobs for a few more years while pumping out inferior quality goods for jacked up prices. We've already been through this with the fucking corn industry and education and now we have the most obese populace in the world and some of the highest post secondary educational costs in the world.

You have a choice to keep outdated job or become Chang's bitch. Why do you want to get assfucked?

The only good products are the American made ones anyway, bring on those tariffs.

Yeah? We re playing the longer game. We are going to cut them off of our markets while their population struggles with finding jobs for a billion people, and the attendant social upheaval. China is already a high cost producer to Vietnam, India, Cambodia,

Alao mind you that both farmers subsidies and public post secondary school (not subsided! Public) are a norm outside of America and they didn't lead to the same pathologies

>Actually believing you can see the big picture
>Thinking 20 years ahead

Is that Orange retard New York con artist going to compromise on all of his values?

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Nobody of any quality at all should want to buy trash Chinese steel.

His values. Like protecting and growing American industry. Gas yourself commie.

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it's too late user. The US can't regain it's old manufacturing capabilities and the rest of the World has already diversified their industries.

Canada BTFO

>2 posts by this ID
Well, it's nice to see that they responded to our "1 post by this ID" criticism.

*”values”*

Yankees are fucked. Imagine how many trillions have to go back into revitalising the steel industry. Youre catering for 40 and 50 year old men thatll retire in 20 years and then what? Trillions spent on an industry with no domestic workers because no one in their 30s ever thought "steel mill worker is the future". Also imagine the collapse of the car and airplane industries as they lose their source of metal from china.

I heard someone say America doesn't have the infrastructure to meet the demand of the US auto industry..that someone is a exec at a major car parts producer..he's wrong too. This country will innovate new processes and better managed companies than dog eaters and street shit people. Our politicians sold us out with tax incentives for foreign investment and the foreign investors with government subsidies manipulated transfer prices to destroy domestic competition. Even the shit they made here has all it's raw inputs from the home country. NAFTA was also a back door to get imported steel into the country. That loophole is closed. It will cost me my job, but I hate my job, and I hate the slopes who run the place. I will find another job easily.

>growing American industry= Making everything you need to start a business x6 more expensive
Not that I care

IF Trump successfully does this I stop resenting him for all of his various forms of lack of action or reversals on his other campaign platforms. Maybe.

You realize that Chink steel is literal garbage tier right? You get a better product and American steel prospers.

The Chinese are already engaging in dumping. There's a reason they're dumping. It's not because they're nice guys.

Yeah b-b-because we don't have energy independence..oh wait..

Protectionism doesn’t work, but my hometown near Birmingham was a US Steel hotbed so..... fuck china I guess

foreign yes, domestic no

Are you a robot then?

yeah but what about the tax cuts offsetting costs?

Steel has geopolitical value. Why do you think the insectoids are dumping steel on the US market?

Modern electric mills like the ones used by Nucor can make great steel and great jobs in America. We can and will revitalize our industry.

walk us through yours, mongoloid

Isn’t dumping a good way of losing money? I mean if it’s shit and people buy it below market you can’t be too mad can you?

Sounds like America first to me.

I am fine with this, the shit that gets me the most is that Trump is putting Israel first, who have been confirm to have backstab the US in the back, than Poland who has never done so.

AUTARKY NOW!

Yes tariffs cost money, but subsidies cost money too. Our markets are being exploited. It just cannot be allowed to continue. There are companies in Alabama that make very competitive gas pipe and structural steel. We will need it. Trump knows this.

Dumping is a way to destroy your competition so that you can fuck the buyer over later. Or in China's case, make all the steel so that when we go to war with China, they have all the steel producing infrastructure, and we can't reach war production levels of industry.

>OUR SHIT IS BETTER
Still falling for that meme? Ford Volvo case closed

mow much does america export to china?

it was my understanding that china is completely and utterly dependent on sales to the us and canada, would they really throw that away to try and shit on america a little bit?

have you ever seen anything actually built by a Chinaman?

the only problem is that protectionism isn't good for GDP since it messes up the natural allocation of resources to where they're most profitable.

It's almost as if the West is in total decline and there is no way of stopping it unless we engage in a catastrophic world war which may go nuclear with a slim chance of victory anyway.

FUCK THE ZERG
THIS IS THE AGE OF MAN

>China pays employees pennies on the dollar
>Liberal scum handcuff companies with environmental regs while Chinese insects pollute freely
Fuck you, nigger. Gas yourself.

Profitable doesn't necessarily mean good for the American people. If Chinese peasants had their way, no American would have a job.

You also can't run at a trade defecit for ever. That's like spending more than you make every month and pretending that you're killing it economically because you got a deal.

China is the largest foreign holder of US debt (18 trillion dollars) no such action could be taken because it would mean the death of the US as well Mutally assured destruction

I guess it was only ok for China to do it to the UK

The last time China announced intent to do shit that would damage the dollar if not destroy it. I wonder if they have forgot already?

youtube.com/watch?v=8jiF1MFumCE

Same week...coincidence? I think not.

I'm a fan of knives, and Chinese steel tends to be far more hit and miss. Sure, 8c13mov is decent on paper for the price, but compare it to the the Western (440C) or Japanese (AUS-8A) equivalent on a scale of batches and there's no comparison.

You mean 9/10 of the stuff in your room right now?

A U T A R K Y

All consumerist trash that features planned obsolescence. The next time china makes a beautiful thing will be the first time.

DAT DRUMPF IS SO DUMB... says the guy that owns zero skyscrapers

Anything to reduce chink imports/manufacturing is good with me.

DAY
OF
THE
RAKE

fuck china and fuck you. china has tariffs on EVERYTHING American and demands that our companies manufacture there AND hand over all of their manufacturing plans so they can steal them. china should be turned into glass.

What you talking about us the source of most of our obfuscated problems. Without manufacturing we will become / have become dependent little children that suckles at the teet of China. This is what the ultra rich capitalist class wants, actually. They want us powerless to produce so that they can send in the invaders when their little 'IOU's' get called out by their new slave nation, China, and this is how fiat capitalism works. It's a giant Ponzi scheme, destined to collapse. While I sometimes think that it seems like it was all planned, I know that it has always been the ultra rich that fucked manufacturing America to make more shekels because they wanted a bigger piece of the pie for themselves. It comes down to greed, on the part of the overlords of manufacturing more so than unions. Don't get me wrong, unions did a lot to fuck themselves in the entire process through their faggotry, but many of their lazy faggot bullshit had to be planted in order to force manufacturing to move overseas. For example, the 'single job' aspect of their 'contracts': not being able to sweep the fucking floor if you're a pipe welder, etc. Gay as AIDS. Neither side could compromise, and as a result we see costs of living rising and wages going down every year. This shit is fucked, and I blame both the unions and the ultra rich. But without manufacturing we will not be able to sustain ourselves.

Also, the high-tier Chinese knife companies use imported steel from the US, Europe or Japan.

Which tells you what you need to know.

China started this by refusing to accept imports of trash unless cleaned to some ridiculous standard.

Since China thread. I'm looking for the command & conquer generals Chinese person greentext

>I don't want to support the American steel industry!
Kill yourself.

And how does manufacturing steel in America hurt American manufacturing? I see no evidence Trump isn't willing to protect other domestic industries as well.

My job is steel and I always recommend American. Russia's Red October steel mill had some of the worst metal I've ever come across. China is hit or miss.

We need to contain China and that means isolating them politically, just as Nixon did to the USSR when he teamed up with China way back in the 70s.

The kikes that run the USA though have such an irrational hatred of reunified, strong Russia that they'll let themselves be eclipsed by China in the mean time.

Time is running out. Australia in 20 years could be so compromised by Chinese interests that we could be unreliable allies in the event of any hot war.

Just expecting the (current) 1.2 Million of our "chinese- Australian" population to take up arms against China is unrealistic.

You're right, they should all become educated city folk like you, go to university and learn how to be cinematographers and beat poets. If not that then they should just FUCKING DIE.

Society will change, it just hasn't yet. You can't expect these people who have no other skills to just crawl under a rock because its no longer convenient for the upper class to have a national manufacturing industry.