The ninja war arc fucked it all up didn't it

The ninja war arc fucked it all up didn't it

After Pain, it should have been Naruto vs. Sasuke, and the end of the series. No need for the war at all, no need for the Edo Tensei, no need for the Kage summit.

It works so much better this way.

no one cares dumb narutoposter

Everyone in that series was an awful person that pretended to be good because friendship somehow made up for genocide, assassination, military dictatorship, child soldiers, etc, etc.

Also the third hokage was easily more evil more than orochimaru yet no one batted an eye at his hypocrisy. Honestly Tobirama was probably the least hypocritical person and most honest person despite his flaws.

yamcha could solo the entire ninja army and those wierd gods. both the brothers and mother. lol

>yamcha could solo the entire ninja army and those wierd gods. both the brothers and mother. lol
Ehh, I dunno about that. Final Form Madara is crazy strong. He's chopping down mountain ranges with ease, absorbing all attacks, has a huge variety of insta-kill moves. He has all the Bijuu, meaning he's capable of continental-scale attacks. He has the most powerful genjutsu, trapping the entire world in hypnosis

He was so powerful, Kishi had to get rid of him before he could fight Naruto and Sasuke

18 000 Vegeta can destroy the Earth

I don't think so. Even Freiza could only destroy a planet by tunneling to the core and destabilizing it.

Vegeta probably was capable of nuking the surface of the earth, and making it uninhabitable for life (as if a large meteor hit it). But I don't think he could actually destroy a planet at that point.

Besides, in a fight with the type of powers Madara has, your power level doesn't matter so much as your tactics. For example, what if Vegeta was hit by Amaterasu? Wouldn't matter how powerful he is, he's a goner (insta-kill move). Or one of the black chakra rods, which disintegrate flesh on contact and suppress chakra. Again, another insta kill move. Or what if he just got Vegeta in genjutsu? Game over

More than strong, DBZ characters are stupidly fast. 8000 Goku traveled at what, 10 000 or 20 000 km/h? That'd be enough to blitz any Naruto character but we all know these kind of feats don't really matter since the authors don't give a shit

Gai was travelling fast enough to warp space itself, and Madara was only a bit slower.

Dragon Ball characters have no defense against Genjutsu. Goku fell for the hallucinations on that island with Krillin. There's no way he would resist something like Tsukuyomi.

Yep

Yeah but most of the time they're moving at a snail's pace like everyone else. It's just inconsistent because authors don't give a fuck.

Why would he need to defend against genjutsu? A simple kiai should instantly tear Itachi in half. We can bullshit something about Gai, Madara or Minato being super fast depending on how the writers feel but Itachi isn't.

Genjutsu is completely useless against anyone from outside the Narutoverse because it relies on manipulating Chakra.

Chakra, Chi, Cosmos, Spirit Energy, Spiritual Pressure, etc. are the same plot device recycled again and again.

This. It would've been the perfect ending for the show and Kakashi should've stayed dead.

No, they're not, because Chakra isn't something natural in Naruto but is explicitly something humans got because a crazy bitch ate an alien fruit and also it has its own circulatory-esque system in the body. Genjutsu is off the table.

But then we couldn't have dragon ball z tier energy blast battles

Chakra=Spirit+Body energy
Ki=Body Energy
Reyryoku=Spirit Energy

Tayuya is actually one of the characters that would be one of the best Naruto characters fighting against somebody from a different universe because her genjustu uses sound rather than attacking the chakra network

>DBZ tier
23rd Tenkaichi Budokai at best

I wish Naruto didn't shonen protagonist his way to the hat. It would have been cool to see him actually display tactics and decision-making and responsibility of a chunin and then jonin, to have missions requiring actual stealth.
Maybe a war with cloud, where he comes to respect killer B, but also fight him over objectives. Naruto might get a reputation on par with the Yellow Flash by flooding battlefields with shadow clones. There could be an opportunity to find out the cloud side of things regarding the time they tried to kidnap hinata.
In short, less power level stuff, more sneaky ninja stuff please. Also, the uchiha need to stop being a clan of chuuni-powered edgelords.

Where does Superman fall?

Yeah. It should have just been Naruto vs. Sasuke.

The whole Obito/Zetsu thing should have been axed. Fake Madara should have just been Madara, greatly depowered due to his fight with Senju, trying to get his revenge through Sasuke.

The stupid super saiyan nine-tails mode should have been axed as well. The normal beast transformation was good enough already. It was established over the course of several seasons and had interesting downsides. Just give Naruto more control over it. Frog mode was a good enough, and actually interesting, powerup mode.

The end could have been something like this:
>naruto vs sasuke
>sasuke's genius skill and eye powers against narutos insane chakra, sage mode and beast transformation
>naruto wins in the end (obviously)
>madara comes in and steals sasuke's eyes to get his revenge after all
>naruto and blind sasuke have to beat him together
>they win and kill madara
>sasuke gets one of his eyes back
>naruto becomes hokage
>sasuke fucks off into the wilderness to become a new madara figure looming in the shadows and plotting his revenge
>the end

No need for that stupid ninja war, reincarnation horseshit or moon eye plan nonsense.

Yamcha was at his peak during android saga. During that time he was multiple times stronger than vegeta during sayain saga.

kishimoto shot his load too early in Naruto. He should have kept it smaller scale instead of continent level battles.

Would have liked this too

Super could still pull some shit.,

>The ninja war arc fucked it all up didn't it
After Pain, it should have been Naruto vs. Sasuke, and the end of the series. No need for the war at all, no need for the Edo Tensei, no need for the Kage summit. It works so much better this way.

I around 74% agree with you.

Nagato getting talk no jutsu'd and reviving the whole village was where everything went unsalvageable.

Different world, different ethics.

>b bb... but my small point in time and space, in a small galaxy, on a small planet, around a medium small star in an astronomically precise locality on said planet in a small civilization has the CORRECT ethics.

>that implication
>implying my ethics aren't the correct ones

Remember when Kakashi shat his pants after using Sharingan for like a few minutes? Fucker ran around with it for a day or two

is there even an anime/manga that did talk no jutsu right?

It takes a special kind of person to be so retarded you can't see out your own ass.

Your ethics aren't the correct ones. You are basically just a massive pussy who can't stand death. Even though it's incredibly natural for life on this planet, and even more so for life on their planet.

The show should've ended after the first invasion of the leaf, but when they killed off my favourite character to then do the most retarded asspull to revive everyone that died in the Pain fight not long after Jiraiya died I dropped the show

Remember "can use chidori only two times a day"? Fucker had it turned on in the stalemate at night, as some kind of bed light or something

So basically you wanted Naruto not to be shonen? Iirc even Kishi said that he wouldn't mind scaling back all that power creep, but that was something that fans wanted.