Alright there are so many things wrong with how they do everything
>tech to build boat, engineering students caught up in this or what?
>no one builds a gun or cannons or anything with said tech as weapons
they really had no military nuts in there that could have formed a competent modern military with actual guns rendering all the fantasy shit obsolete?
also do the animal people have their ears replaced because that would be weird as fuck
>>tech to build boat,
What looks like a modern boat, but actually runs on magic.
>actual guns rendering all the fantasy shit obsolete
They are high level RPG characters. They've got more HP than they know what to do with. They break walls with their fingers.
Modern guns are not really very interesting to them.
guns are pretty fucking deadly
would take a machine gun over pretty much any magic shown in the show
and like if you are gonna start combining tech and magic make a huge as fuck railgun and blow the enemy apart from the other side of the country
it uses a steam engine, shows pretty high tech level
>guns are pretty fucking deadly
Yes, to humans.
When you're able to tank demon attacks, you don't need a gun anymore.
And here is the problem:
They *don't* have the tech. They can't just create an entire chemical and metallurgical industry out of thin air. Even if they have the formulas still in their heads, they are lacking everything else, and it would take a HUGE undertaking to get anything resembling a modern firearm - while they have thousands of wizards who can do the same thing, but better.
A steam engine can be built with tools that were available over 2000 years ago.
And if the world recognizes them as weapons they would gain a matching stat block and level/subclass requirement.
at least make rudimentary muskets and hand them out to the kings guards
if you wanted to actually get nasty I bet some chemical weapons could fuck up the balance of power in that world
You are way too in love with firearms. You just don't understand what high levels really mean.
just wait for the episode where the physics students restart the Manhattan project
There is a reason why it took Korea this long to get actual nukes. It's not that easy.
Firearms are not allowed because any working gun would be classified as equipment by the game and given an absurd level requirement to wield.
Higher than what is actually possible in the game at the moment.
Mamare doesn't want firearms in his story. This is his way of keeping them out. Confirmed by him during the Q&A.
>building a boat is as easy as engineering a gun
i would call building this boat much harder than making a gun so why are there no guns
reasonable but given that log horizon is willing to deal with fairly mature themes at times it seems strange that is never mentioned in story, or anything like any sort of nasty modern weaponary being made is talked about. Would chlorine gas be given a high level requirement to throw lol.
Why would you need a gun if you have magic?
>chlorine
>fantasy
>where "cure poison" is a thing
That's just pointless.
All that the boat requires is lots of effort and a general knowledge of how boats (and steam engines) work.
early firearms were invented well before metal ships (late 1800s)
When early firearms came about, there was already the infrastructure to build them, after many years of industrial revolution.
>industrial revolution.
meh, wrong expression. But the point still applies. They had upgraded their tools and hardware for a long time.
I don't like this explanation
What about using fairly low level fire magic to explode in a small tube to fire metal projectiles at high speeds
That would actually make sense.
sounds like firearm
Season 3 soon.
season 3 never feelsbad
i think spice and wolf will get it before log horizon
Stop trying to apply real world logic into this, this is a world where even if you know how to cook, you cannot produce the proper result without the appropriate level. The world can probably analyze what sort of effect that combination would produce and give you a error message saying you cannot release explosive magic at this location until you reach a level where you can use firearms.
Spice and Wold actually is getting more noels and there's still the sequel story being published.
I can definitely see a new season or an adaptation of the sequel happening.
Log Horizon might when we get enough material. Who knows.
Guns created in the game have such a high stats requirments that noone can equip them.
Besides you would need gunner class to wield them.
I think it was explained in the RPG book
>Besides you would need gunner class to wield them and there isn't anything even close to that class.
Once the gunner class exists, maybe gunner commoners would begin being born.
>b-but muh gunz
>/k/ watches anime
Go back to your autism containment
>At the least make a basic firearm
>That involves at the least 4 phases of refining metal
>Many small moving parts that needs a lot of R&D to make
>A simple reload mechanism that reallies on at the least 200 hours of R&D to get the gundpowder to fit in properly
>Only 600-1200J of energy output
A basic firearms/canons is at the least 1000 hours of R&D, if you can get craftsman, needed materials, and a idea on how to make it.
And outside of canons, they are pretty bad. Nevermind that: Even canons are pretty bad.
>Mamare doesn't want firearms in his story.
Mamare doesn't understand technology enough to give a good reason against firearms.
If he did, he would do even simpler statements like: There is simply not enough manpower & professionals to get the assembly going.
Or do it even more justice: Include hand cannons, and have them be glorified metal tubes that will at most be fired twice per engagement.
Go home gunfag. You don't belong in this thread.
Neither do the geneva convention.
Remember, game physics. A bullet could end up doing a fraction of the damage a sword does.
>Log horizon
Is this a poop joke?
Its Japan. America would be a different story.
pretty sure i could put together a victorian era musket, its barely more than a tube with gunpowder
Without modern tools?
if have blacksmiths who can make swords you can make the parts for a musket with extremely little knowledge
That's why cannons arrived on the battlefield long before muskets did, because the muskets were so easy to produce.
if the geneva convention doesn't belong here does that mean its literally ok to gas the furrys
Gas is overhyped. It was effective in WW1 because of the special conditions it was fought in - trench warfare. That's the reason it hasn't really been used since - not humanitarian "reasons".
It doesn't really belong in the ABC evil weaponry class. A can wipe out civilization within an afternoon. B can wipe out humanity if you have a team of evil scientists. C is good for small-time terrorism.
And in their world, it's probably even less effective than in ours, what with HP, potions and spells.
use of torture would be pretty fucked up in the world you can't die
I haven't read the LNs but its sort of implied the "bad" guys control where you respawn in the other city right
Okay so you would need:
1. A master metal craftsman
2. Blueprints of the mechanisms
3. Willing to sacrifice at the least 4 apprentices to get the fuse/fire mechanism work properly
4. The balls are easy to make
5. Gunpowder is a bitch to make, and making consistent dosing or storage is also a bitch. So you need a master chemist
Thats to make some variant of a basic rifle, possibly will never catch on if any of the parts require too much maintenance.
There is also other such problems, where you could end up making gunpowder, but don't manage to make its yield per kg of powder reasonable.
Remember: Guns arrived in the 1200s, but did not see common usage until far into the 1600s.
I haven't seen "guns being introduced to fantasy" being done reasonable outside of Drifters, because the Hellsing authors historical fetish is so big it allows for well done research and dwarf metal porn.
really not sure you need "master" chemists or craftsman.
Craftsman/blacksmithing skills are probably covered by leveling system
As for the knowledge, the odds are probably pretty good between a load of university students that you get enough chemists and engineers with the required knowledge
unless you roll a critical miss and the group is all literature students and neets
>As for the knowledge, the odds are probably pretty good between a load of university students that you get enough chemists and engineers with the required knowledge
Sure, because it's common practice to work with medieval tools when taking chemistry classes in university. Education is so underfunded I could actually see it happening.
Without knowing the chemical process, you can't really ferment gunpowder. It takes a while
Without proper tools, you might never figure it out, because you aren't used to do hardcore chemistry outside of labs.
Thats also ignoring how uniform the quality of a metal barrel would need to be, in order to be used for guns.
DATABASE
You sound a bit too trigger happy
>Gas is overhyped. It was effective in WW1
Gas in WW1 was mostly corrosive agents and vesicants, a few metabolic poisons. Need relatively high concentrations of it to be effective, not really comparable to modern agents.
Nerve agents are basically pesticide for people (literally -- they operate on similar principles), you can pretty much spray to wipe out humans like you were crop-dusting for agricultural pests.
Military personnel can protect themselves using counteragents and PPE, but the bulk of civilians not so much. Everybody realized that this meant that in event of wide-spread nerve agent usage, the only practical use would be bombarding each other's civilian populations, leaving two stranded military forces with no countrymen left to protect.
When will Mamare visit again?
When he gets out of jail
This, for as gun crazy OP is, there are equivalent fire solutions. Gun could kill a level 1 lander easy, but someone at max level, they'd easily have thousands more hp and hundreds more defence than a normal human.