Why is religion fading from Western society?

I honestly don't understand why so many people are turning their back on religion. Regardless of whether it's Christianity or Buddhism or whatever, religion is a universal among human civilization throughout history. Religion teaches responsibility, and by doing that it gives individuals a sense of purpose and meaning. Rejecting religion is rejecting both the divinity and dignity of the human soul and leads to moral relativism and ultimately a life of empty hedonistic nihilism, free of responsibility but also free of meaning.

It's no wonder why rates of depression and anxiety are steadily increasing. It's no wonder why we are growing more ideologically divided.

How did this happen?

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it's easier to be a heathen

It's a load of cobblers that's why

Because Western people are smart and it's pretty dumb to be a Christian by choice nowadays.

because it's a creation of ancient kikes and the kikes of today disrespect anyone that follows their religions.

A deliberate part of cultural marxism and the long march through institutions was to destroy religion or at least strip it of anything meaningful.

All the people I know in real life that are staunchly religious tend to be happy hard-working people, even in the face of great tragedy. Even people who believe goofy stuff like Mormons and the Amish seem to have all the things people in society desperately need right now: a sense of belonging, a loving friendly social circle, a sense of purpose in life, clear values & responsibilities, and faith in a positive future.

Nowadays people view religion as quaint at best and toxic at worst, despite all the readily observable benefits it has for people and society.

abrahamic religions are an opiate and jews know all about addictions, no doubt about that

>It's no wonder why we are growing more ideologically divided.
Why would you want to be united with whores, blacks, trannies, jews, establishment insiders, etc?

The West needs Christianity to survive.

I would believe, but i dont want to turn into a cuck

Why do we need an abrahamic kike religion to survive, when we have multiple pantheons of ancient pagan religions that have much more in common with our ancestors?

Because its bullshit that's why.
You want to know why the bible is the best selling book of all time? Because the majority of people are either illiterate, or read at a grade school level.
Anyone who's studied literature can tear the bible apart with all of it's symbolic meanings (and it is symbolic, if you actually believe in talking snakes, you are certifiably retarded, degree or not) it all turns out to be control of the masses.
>don't do this goyim, don't do that goyim, how dare you question me, I am your Lord with a capital L you fucking sodomite!
Seriously just die already so you can find out heaven doesn't exist.

Look into this little concept called "the death of God" retard. God, you fucking people. How can you claim to "save the West" when you don't know the first thing about Western culture, Western philosophy and Western civilisation? People aren't just "turning their back on religion", it's been happening for centuries now. Just a metaphysical mutation. Paganism died and was replaced by a fusion of Semitic-Hellenic monotheism. Now that's dying and being replaced by God knows what. An unavoidable materialism? A million competing currents in a void that we simply have to surpass. There is no going back.

I'm Catholic, and I don't believe an individual necessarily needs religion, but I can see the toxic effect removing Christianity from society has had in the United States; a culture of degeneracy has risen in it's place. It's not an easy problem to fix in a free society.

bombings and even more bombings caused an allergia towards all religions

Simple steps.
1) Introduce a false religon and force it
2) People get exploited by this false church
3) The norms of the church were retarded
4) The church was dictating people's lives stupidly
5) Now people believe nothing and hate religion

>4) The church was dictating people's lives stupidly
How so?

In Spain it keeps happening, day in day out some bishop appears in the newspaper telling us not to touch our penises.

Marriage.
There's no bigger kike lie in this world than holy matrimony.

because we don't have multiple pantheons of ancient pagan religions that have much more in common with our ancestors?

Well, it's not. Atheism is the fastest shrinking religion in the world. Atheism is in decline worldwide, with the number of atheists falling from 4.5% of the world's population in 1970 to 2.0% in 2010 and projected to drop to 1.8% by 2020,

Real surveys and statistics say atheism is on the decline worldwide. Sorry atheists but atheism is not on the rise nor is it winning. It's still the minority and a declining one at that.

The Pew Research Center's statistics show that atheism is expected to continue to decline all the way into 2050 with a continued growth of religion. Other research also shows a huge surge in growth for Christianity in China which is currently the world's most "atheist" nation because of the atheist communist government suppressing religion, the research suggests that China will soon become the world's most Christian nation within 15 years.

This is simply history repeating itself: Christianity prospered in Rome back in the ancient era when it was suppressed and it still grew in the militant atheist soviet Russia when it was suppressed there only a century ago with the majority of Russians today now also identifying as Christian. Just goes to show that atheist suppression of religion still doesn't stop religion.

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What's not to (((understand))), fren?

In the long run touching your penis (short term sexual satisfaction) is not a viable strategy for reproduction or civilization.
Look at Africa,

There's really nothing wrong with that though. Given how toxic porn is, society could use more of that.

With regard to sexuality in general: Even from an entirely secular perspective, "Abstinence until lifelong marriage" is the optimal choice.

Nowadays? Sure, I don't blame men one bit for not getting married. Marriage used to be good though. It turns out that when your wife is a virgin, her chance of cheating on and/or divorcing you are pretty low.

Also it's pretty retarded to try to establish a christian nation or a pagan nation, people don't believe these religions and it will backfire, people have read the bible and have a hatred of the god of the bible and they have found so much contradictions that it's nonsense to try and have them believe it.

My mum goes to church (catholic) but goes out of tradition, she doesn't believe a damn thing.

>hedonistic nihilism, free of responsibility

This is basically your answer. Religion will never be popular in a culture where hedonism, narcissism, and consumerism are the highest virtues. Our economic model has denigrated us to this point.

it's a really good question
and I've been asking myself it for a long time
only thing I can think of is Christianity in particular has become far too much like the rest of the world and a lot of Christians seem to think they should assimilate even more liberal and progressive ideals
maybe that's why islam is rising so much in popularity: because it actually provides a religion that is different from the average Western hedonistic lifestyle

Christianity needs to reform and become far more conservative than ever.
Maybe then it'll rise in popularity again
if it's not that then I have no idea
but whatever it is we Christians need to do something different
our numbers are declining not rising
we have to change or risk being supplanted

>nofap kike
Go to hell, loser.

Love to. Take the time to read, please. This took a while to write up:


The basis of "western" civilization comes from Christendom, led by the Catholic Church, which centralized much of European cultural strengths through a Christian lens. With the Reformation there are not only a revolt against the Catholic Church but the start of the meme of being against "organized religion". What Martin Luther meant when he said this was that he was against the idea of church hierarchy. In rejecting this he wished to refocus things towards letting the Holy Spirit speak through individuals and letting them organize things individually rather than being within a hierarchy.

With the reformation, people turned against the Catholic Church but amongst all the real criticism was hefty anti-clerical propaganda and a demonization of the middle ages as squalor and a "dark ages". This led to distancing intellectually from the western philosophical tradition of Scholasticism which motivated a "restart" to philosophy in the west, which would later be known as Modernism. Epistemologically they were focused on the practical/observable and deeply suspicious of metaphysics. This would lead to the slow adoption of Metaphysical Naturalism in the west.

Catholics obviously didn't take this open revolt lying down and fought Protestants tooth and nail. They did horrible, nigh inexcusable stuff to each other over their battles but this ultimately led to the rise of Secularism with the Enlightenment. The Enlightenment, buying pretty much all the religious propaganda of the Reformation and still reeling from the wars, sought peace through tolerance (starting "tolerance" as a western virtue) of religious values and making the state neutral to churches...

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Also people simply do not believe in christianity, they believe other things (those who believe) and it is rare to find somebody who genuinely thinks the bible is legit.

When I had my experiences that led me to gnosticism (I'm the infamous gnostic spaniard) I tried the stuff in this website: spiritualresearchfoundation.org and I found out that there were lots of people from all over Europe trying this stuff, people from Portugal, other spaniards, frenchmen, croatians, maltese dicks...

(Don't try that website, it will give you demiurge butt cancer, many people at /x/ tried the chants and had accidents and whatnot, it went horrible for me too, they're using the negative supernatural phenomena that happens as bait for explaining how it would be true).

Anyway, don't try to establish christianity, that shit's mostly unwelcome, at least in EU.

On top of this the Enlightenment was the heyday of the development of modernism philosophically and thought they were an awakening from the dark oppressive theocratic past of Europe. This is where most of our popular mainstream religious philosophical views come from.

Modernism continued into the current day and with the recent Free Love movement, Christianity has been targeted as an oppressor so for the first time in the west we have a big target on the back of Christianity itself as a problem. This has led to much atheism since the 60s. The advent of evolution led to a creationist reaction in America as well - caused by uneducated Protestants given a pedestal due to Protestantism's inherent decentralization - which spurred the distrust in Christianity even further into the New Atheist Movement (an anti-theist, metaphysical naturalist movement) we see today.

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Because religion is about questioning biological drives and society is embracing the known life over others.

Bt it's not a bad thing as religions are becoming more pure now.

>Reject the comforting guiding light of Jesus and His gospel
>Embrace Judaism in all its many facets to fill the spiritual void
>Put Jews in charge of your children's education, their entertainment, and finances
>The west crumbles further into darkness and decay

Not sure what people expected, honestly.

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So with a focus on religious tolerance, a demonization of our Christian past, denominations at each others throats if taken seriously, an intellectual movement away from Christianity's original academic roots, multiple denominations (Catholics, Orthodox, and tons of Protestant groups) now teaching multiple different things, the association of Christianity with creationists and repressive by the Free Love Movement in the 60s-70s, and the rise of metaphysical naturalism as the popular view people become less religious:

The "against organized religion" meme gets taken to be against "religion" itself, making the people see today who are "spiritual, not religious". The rise of naturalism and the demonization of our Christian past along with creationists led to the anti-theists we see today. The focus on religious tolerance and the scare of religious violence that motivated secularism in the first place is why we don't have serious religious discussions that try to seek truth and sort out who is right and who is wrong anymore but focused on the civil life so the religious life can remain private. The rise of modernism has given new understanding to classic concepts and so made older concepts nonsense and generally inaccessible but to the people who take the time to be educated in it.

Hope that helped.

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No one turned their back on Islam and look how that's turning out.

>their religious meme book is goofier than mine

Evangelic Christianity is rising more and more in popularity than Islam in the Netherlands. Atheism is declining as well. Decentralized Christianity in a Libertarian Country is the future

Tesla was right about controlling the birth population of stupid people, now we have professional religious folks who know how to get you into heaven(tm)
Assholes

Are you a fedora?

>Why is religion fading from Western society?
Same reason Western society itself is fading, apathy. People don't care about anything anymore.

Anime.

in America Canada France Germany and UK the opposite is happening though

It isn't.
In America especially, I've seen even the most terminal liberals turning to faith for answers. This country is incredibly lost.

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ignore that... phone posting

All religions are based on lies

Sure, there is a positive message, but it all comes down to being controlled

It's late here but I'm open to answering questions

Honestly it's just because people have easy as fuck lives in the West.

Religion appeals to humans because it answers the questions you ask when living in strife like "will people who hurt me be punished eventually?" "will I get to see my loved ones who I lost too soon again?" "is all my suffering worth it?" "is there someone I can ask for mercy?"

Meanwhile if no one has ever attacked you, your only family members who have died are old ass grandparents and your biggest problem in life is only being able to afford a year old graphics card you don't care about any of that.

Just wait until there's the next big economic happening and as the store shelves start emptying the church pews will start filling up as westerners know what it's like to fear for their lives again.

Because they're not a bunch of ignorant sheep-fuckers anymore?

How can sane adults believe in imaginary sky-father? Just be spiritual if you need some higher being in your life and mind your own business.

Same with sexual orientation.

>All the people I know in real life that are staunchly religious tend to be happy
Ignorance is bliss.

funny it's the same for me
I guess you're the ignorant one

because jews have ushered in an age of meism and fuck everyone else,im going to get rid of unions,steal your tax money,smother you in degenerate porn and communistic ideas,drop your income and quality of life by promoting exodus of manufacturing to third world nations while flooding the us with same countries' poor and unskilled workers and basically killing jesus all over again.
the people jesus got pissed at,the money changers in the temple?ya know people who were setting up a bank in a fuckin church?yah,jews.
the only people ever able to piss off jesus.bumper sticker coming soon...

Gnosticism is true and there is no controlling in gnosticism

Didn't even get it, did you?

the only truth is the natural laws of the world. Cucks must die. We have to embrace the harsness and void of this world, make it form us into that which what the world is - eternal and unforigving

>Boomers
The tide is turning. The religion of Life and Truth is on its way back way bigger than before.
Christ is calling and all will answer the call.

yeah and look at where we are at now.a dude with tits lifting a mini skirt to piss next to you at nearest gas station.
that seems alot more of a jew ideal come alive than nuclear families with 75k income and a divorce rate at 15%.normal kids and no school shootings?

I guess not
but it could go two ways
>ignorance of the people that are unhappy
>the happy people are ignorant

Plato wasn't a kike. Jesus was the son of God. Stop with your lies.

Hedonism.
If Jesus tells you it's not a good idea to get blind drunk every weekend and fuck anything that moves then fuck Jesus.

Just went to a Cathedral today. Shame architecture like this isn't created anymore.

Not all happy people are ignorant, but all who are ignorant are happy.

T. Catholicism
Catholics are literally retarded. They don't follow a single teaching of Christ.

God (yahweh) was a jewish tribal cheiftain

By the way I'm purchasing a bible and I want a nice bible, is KJV the usual accepted? I want the most accepted text.

>when weedbro goes deep

hebrew blood god of war

jesusneverexisted.com/brutal.htm

Lololololol.
You only hate the Christian God because you do not know him.
You have no understanding of what it means that be human.

you'd be wrong but i dont give a fuck kike designed divide and conquer tactics called religions, you worthless bag of shit. You're the reason why kikes believe we are animals and I hate to admit that they're right

Because selling a package of ideas and values with a supernatural story is not very convincing nowadays, with science and technology as advanced as it is, and consequently with people being wiser. It's better for a nation or other group to just cultivate support for economic, social, political etc goals with evidence (difficult) or brainwashing (easier). It would make sense to shift the narrative of moses, jesus, muhammad or other holy figures away from being supernatural people to just mere mortals with interesting ideas, but I think that would cause a lot of uproar. Basically just start selling the ideas and values based on their merits instead of resorting to fantasy. It's the inevitable reality as mankind evolves.

Western civilization has reached it climax,and now it's on a road of decadence and degeneracy
This happens to all empires that reach a certain point
Pride comes before the fall

>Why is religion fading from Western society?
Because by now we have realized Thor, Zues, Apollo, Poseidon, Baal, Yahweh, Elohim and Ishtar were all created by man.

No one gets it, that the Sabbatean-Frank Satanists are very well aware of the origins of religions and that's why they sit at the top of every financial institution, company and within every government.
You Stupid Sheep

Christianity just needs to embrace its founding tenants. Matthew 22:35-40.
Truth will win out. It always does.

Because people generally are low IQ, lacking imagination and dreams. It's easier to read a quick tweet by Stephen Fry denouncing God than it is to get your arse into church and contemplate for yourself.

100 years ago
> oh i have this 1 book to base my worldview on
now
> oh i have actual information about the world to base my worldview on

This is the best discussion topic on pol ive seen in a while.

I believe modern day science is teaching disconnect between the human body and the mind. Things we can't quantify with science are disregarded. There are some things I don't agree with in religion like an omnipotent deity, but spirituality, strength in yourself and your community, are something we need more now than ever.

(((Actual modern information)))
Yeah that's working wonders for ex-religious europe

my issue is religion trying to override spirituality, as if you need it to be spiritual or moral. Total crock of shit

Hierarcy is diametrically apposed to all of Christ's teachings. The Catholic Church is heresy, and it is easy to see why.
You effectively empower the priest / bishop to know your secrets and to blackmail / oppress you.
Calvin was always right. Federalism is the political solution to all problems.

Yeh fuck that shit. That's why I like Buddhism. That shit is religion done properly.

This is why God is destroying us you faggot.

There has been a covert campaign in western nations to kill off Christianity at the same time as allowing Islam and Judaism to carry on. It was designed to strip western nations of any culture and character which may exclude immigrant groups in order to make western nations better hosts

Time travel happened. That is why

When did he ever stop?

*Allah

Retard. Atheist scum are what is ruining this country. It's always the liberal cities that are invaded by hordes of shitskins and destroyed. Traditionalist Christians are the enemy of the Jews and it's why they are attacked constantly in (((media))).

Our prophet Julian Assange. Our warrior Donald Trump. We will rid the world of deceit by simply telling the truth and they will recoil in horror.

Read the Bible. If your nation starts to ignore God, He'll let the savages come and overtake you. If you want to save the West, turn back to Christianity now you heathen trash.

I know the christian god better than you, for years I was a fervent follower.

>Yahweh is attacking the white race
He's being doing that for a long time, he's an Asura

It's not disappearing, it's just being molded into leftist-state religion.

When we were mostly Christian and wholesome, fagtard. USA is becoming more atheistic by the generation, hence God no longer favoring us.

Allahu Akbhar brother

because people start to think for them self's instead having people to tell you wants wrong and right. *tips fedora*

>he's an Asura
Kek, we got a hindu here, a traditionalist too.

The West is built on Christian foundations. Europe as we know it is built on Christian foundations. Same goes for the USA. If you want to preserve it, you have to go back to Christianity. God destroys atheist scum like you. Start putting it all together, you trash.