Villain motivation: wants to protect the universe

>Villain motivation: wants to protect the universe
>Hero motivation: muh friends and waifu
>Hero wins
>This is treated as a good thing even as the universe is doomed

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History and morals are written by the victors.

Sometimes you have to put your principles before utilitarianism.

Man, that's stupid

Why though? This is the same logic as sacrificing your wife and daughter to save x ammount of people. It's not something a human would do.

What's the point of saving the universe if nothing is going to live and going to die out naturally anyways due to entropy?

I was going to say that waifu is more important than The Universe, but he let her die, anyway.

>living creatures have a bias towards wanting to live
as the kids say these days, it really switches on the almonds

Because it's better to delay the end of the universe for as long as possible.

>the universe will end some day so its better to kill all life so it doesent happen

>Antagonist wants to save the universe
>"""Heroes""" have selfish desires
>somehow the antagonist being defeated is a good thing

The spiral nemesis literally happens in the movie and the drill right past it you fucking goon.

>villain wants to save the universe from an event that WON'T happen with probability 1 a.s.
>this justifies him decimating all the living species

yeah nah.

>You see manga say alot that the girl is more important than the world, but if the world is destroyed so is the waifu, which cancels out the argument.

Eh? When do you think that happened?

Anti-spirals didnt decimate living beings though, they just didnt let em advance

yes, but theuniverse by definition contains your friends and waifu

>event that won't happen

How do you know that though?
Their universe =/= our universe

And those villains are usually intelligent with infinitely more advanced technology than us, operating on logic rather than emotion. They have no reason to just destroy for the sake of destroying. Obviously something is going to happen if they're that determined to stop the big event.

Anti spiral is cute. CUTE!!!!

Well, what did *you* do to help the universe?

>How do you know that though?
Because they make a point of explaining that the spiral nemesis requires an amount of spiral energy used that far surpassed anti-spiral's forecasts. It basically has no probability of happening.

It's all in the themes. The Anti-Spiral represents survival by way of accepting their understanding of a coming calamity, and as such, they permit themselves to exist within stasis as a singular hive entity. Team Dai-Gurren represents a refusal to accept that all is lost, no matter what is thrown at them, and that belief in oneself can overcome any challenge or threat. That's the entire point of them fighting, and why the Anti-Spiral chose to constantly mimic the form that they were fighting in and intentionally defeat them at their same level of power. If the Anti-Spiral defeated them, that would mean that their willpower isn't sufficient to even defeat an entity similar to themselves, meaning that the threats of the universe would be too great for their willpower to bear. However, they triumph over this being which bears an entire universe's productivity in its hands, besting a race that forsook its own ability to grow and ascend for the sake of self-preservation and safety. In multiple cases throughout the series, it's shown that they will willingly put themselves in harm's way and fight to the point of exhaustion or death in order to help others ascend around them, and even when faced with a genuinely impossible situation, they will fight fiercely to make the impossible possible. The implication is that the Spiral Races will, at some point, find a way to subvert or control the Spiral Nemesis, but they had to succeed for even the chance to grow beyond the limitations of inevitability.

And then wiped them out when they naturally tried to advance, because progression is coded into their genes.
It's kind of a "po-tay-to, po-tah-to" situation.

>saves the universe and her friends
>people actually think she did anything wrong

But the universe isn't doomed to end in their lifetime so who gives a fuck?

>decimating all the living species
Not really. They would wind up bombing planets at random and scare them underground so that they could live in a static state, similarly to how they were living. When you get the periodic Lordgenome or Simon, you need to fill them with despair so that they don't just continue fighting forever and growing indefinitely (which is literally the cause of the Spiral Nemesis). Lordgenome fell for it, and kept the surface purged of all Spirals so they would keep underground and never attempt to grow. Simon, however, ignored literally everything and formed the events of the series.

>BOKU WA

They never said exactly how much spiral energy was going to cause the spiral nemesis. That's why you have no way of knowing if it ever went over the limit, you're just making assumptions. If you're talking about that number countdown on their planet, that was only to monitor the population on one planet, not the actual thing that will trigger the spiral nemesis. The spiral nemesis wasn't going to be caused by one planet, it's the collection of all life turning into mega galaxies and shit. That's why they prevent the mere possibility of that by monitoring the population.

Simon probably would have triggered bit singlehandedly if he kept using spiral energy, all it takes is one guy who thinks he has no limits.

The whole stupid point of Spiral Energy is that it's infinite. Not only that, but it's literally hard-wired in DNA to want to keep advancing. Also consider that Simon went from having miniscule amounts to having enough to power a galaxy sized mecha. It's not a stretch that Spiral nemesis could actually happen.

And I'm not even counting the movies where stupid shit like pic related happens.

Who are you quoting ?

But the MC mercy killed his waifu and sealed his resurrection powers so the universe wouldn't be doomed. That's the opposite of what you said.

It's the Reaper argument all over again.

Let's wipe out life to prevent wiping out life. It's understandable, but not apart of he problem. The Anti-spirals never realized that they became the Spiral Nemesis itself.

How the hell does Gurren Lagann fly above the heads of people? Are you 6?

The point is that the Anti Spirals wanted everything in the universe to live in perpetual stillness because they feared the 100% certainty of the spiral nemesis.

However Simon and friends had long since proven that they can overcome 100% certainties because they had the strength and willpower to carry on I.E. "do the impossible" so they no longer needed the coddling of the Anti Spirals.

This isn't particularly deep or subtle stuff user

"Saving" the universe by halting all change and forcing it into stasis makes saving it pointless in the first place.

The point is that the Spirals gave up everything they had to avoid the Spiral Nemesis without having to destroy planets and only letting primal forms of life alive.

Viral gave up the family he could never have in the real world. Kamina gave his life knowing that going forward would spell his end. Kittan and
the fodders died protecting everyone because they wanted to. Simon destroyed the Antispiral which kept Nia alive and kept away from anything Spiral related for the rest of his life, even erasing his own legend ("I guess I'm nobody") to ensure things would go the right way.

Remember that "The whole universe is our enemy" quote at the beginning of the show? The last episode ends on "The whole universe is filled with our Spiral cousins waiting for us". You can't get more straight-forward than this. Simon and the Gurren Brigade represent the optimal solution, they outgrew the Antispirals and this is why he accepted his defeat at the end.

The Anti-Spirals forced all life into a permanent state of stagnation because they believe all progression is inevitably and inherently self-destructive while Simon and co. believed that the possibility of destruction doesn't justify the denial of progress and that living beings can be trusted to progress in ways are not harmful.

>first ep
So Simon BTFOd the bad apples and left good ones alive between start and end of ep 27

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In order to live they sacrificed everything that makes life worthwhile, without sufficiently examining alternatives. They then forced this philosophy on the rest if the universe.

> race of autists gets scared af of something that might never happen
> sperg out and exterminate the sensible ones amongs themselves
> decides what's best for the rest of the universe and either wipes out complete races or just forces them - presumably - underground

they had it coming

When the infinity symbol briefly flashes during the final fight.
I don't know how else you're suppose to interpret it, since it plays out exactly like the anti-spirals said it would.

>wants to protect the universe by forcing everyone to be drooling retards without ambition
What is the fucking point of living like that? The anti-spiral was retarded and so are you for defending this miserable way of """life""".

The spiral nemesis is an inescapable unbeatable fate and thats exactly why the Dai gurren brigade will win.

It's not in a real universe so it's okay. I think it's also meant to represent the conflict between their two opposites ways of thinking and how they represent both the creation and destruction of life.

>long after, one of the """heroes"""" becomes in a monster
>save her a goddess that is is """friend"""
>the hero betray all her friends and steals the power of the goddess and becomes a demon
>the demon erase the memories of all and create a new universe when she will we with the goddess forever because she always was in love with her

That is bullshit

Villain wants to protect the universe by limiting the growth of life through intimidation and war (albeit in his defense he specifically attempts to use a method that minimizes loss of life by giving people a population limit and always trying to fight on even ground to scare people into backing off, rather than just nuking the entire race like he easily could).

Hero wants to protect the universe while allowing life to grow.

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To you in NCS with Climek, pay the fuck attention. Stop browsing Sup Forums you weak, noodle armed, fuckstick. Jesus christ, is copy pasting anime girls into discord more important?

You're computer and porn is boring btw.

And that's exactly what lead to humans living underground as slaves and tortured by keepers trying to delay the end.

It's better to live a short happy life then live long and miserable as a slave.

I want homubutt on my face

Anti spiral is the totalitarian state telling people to not own guns (f/ex) because they're dangerous. The heroes represent the idea of personal responsibility.

This is why I love autism. Beautifully explained. Have my (You).

QB is antagonist and Homura is anti-hero. Heroes(Madoka's team) and antagonist both lost.

I always thought it represented the fact that the power they were clashing against each other was pretty much infinite, so in the end, the only deciding factor in who won the conflict wasn't strength, but willpower, and how strongly each side believed in their ideals.

What's the point? You're bringing a kid to a room full of toys and telling them they can't touch anything.

>stupid shit
That's amazing shit. Stupid shit is when the hamster evolves into a furry in the tv series.

>short happy life
Tell that to all the children born into a miserable world on the brink of being destroyed.

What shitty anime is this from?

Yes, being born into a miserable world that will last is a great alternative.

Imagine being this new

Friends, Waifu, and the fact that the Anti Spiral tried to blow everyone up. The universe isn't doomed as long as people dont go out of control with spiral energy and abuse it