Most based general

Name a General more based than Rommel.

Pro-tip: You can't.

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Easy one, Caesar.

Caesar was not a general.
He never attended officers school and was never a commissioned officer

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Zhukov

Paton

>He never attended officers school and was never a commissioned officer

Imagine living life with the IQ of this brown thing

Where can I get a good PDF of Infantry Attacks? The original Gustav Kidde translation.

Rommel was a very good general who was out of his depth as a field marshall. One of the most glaring examples of the Peter principle. Von Manstein was by far Germany's greatest military strategist.

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Another German General who performed well was Paul 'Papa' Hausser at Bttle of Kharkov

Me in Fallout 4

Zhukov was a brilliant general.

He was promoted to SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer solely for this.

Tell me, what was so great about him? Can you analyze his battlefield tactics and tell me why he is superior to other same-time period commanders?

This. Veni, vidi, vici
Incorrect. In Rome a counsel and a pro counsel were automatically generals as well.

Truly, you are fit of a six star rank.

In terms of best Generals of all times:
Hannibal =/> Caesar > Napoleon > Alexander the Great.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

I can see that is not only your streets that are full of poo. But your education too.

He owes much of his reputation to Konstantin Rokossovsky

Unlike others he did not limit himself to theoretical knowledge of command staff courses

I always thought von Manstein was a better general.

Motor

This guy right here

Caesar was a nonce and a slaver with zero honour.

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Atleast we invaded your shit country Goa lol

He was an editor not a general

>Caesar was a nonce and a slaver with zero honour.
What is "nonce"?
Also, everyone was a slaver back then. If you hate Caesar you should have gone with the "genocidal monster" meme that butthurt faggots go with.

>Spamming wiki links of Red Army 'generals'

Rokosovsky was the only respectable general there.

One of the Conservatives that seriously regretted doing a deal with the "butch" homosexuals that dominated the top layers of the Nazi Party.

Those who think they can ride the back of the "butch homosexual" (masculine homosexual) lion because they are different from the "femme homosexuals" (feminine homosexuals) always end up regretting it.

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Caesar is a salad, anyone knows salads are not generals

Why is rommel so admired? He got btfo in africa and got the majority of the wehrmacht ss killed and captured?

First 6 are tsarist.

Subutai

scipio africanus

Walter Mödel

General Kwaka from the Liberian Armed Forces. The only General ever to go trans during a war.

Manstein is overrated. Model was better.

>When Africanus asked who, in Hannibal's opinion, was the greatest general, Hannibal named Alexander, the king of the Macedonians because with a small force he has routed armies innumerable and because he has traversed the most distant regions, even to see which transcended human hopes. To the next request, as to whom he would rank second, Hannibal selected Pyrrhus, saying that he had been the first to teach the art of castrametation, besides no one had chosen his ground or placed his troops more discriminatingly; he possessed also the art of winning men over to him, so that the Italian people preferred the lordship of a foreign king to that of the Roman people, so long the master in that land. When he continued, asking whom Hannibal considered third, he named himself without hesitation
>"What would you say if you had defeated me?"
>"Then, beyond doubt" he replied, "I should place myself both before Alexander and before Pyrrhus and before all other generals"

ummm no sweetie, Hannibal > Scipio

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Nicolas_Davout

Patton or This Bastard.

>Hannibal > Scipio

>counsel and a pro counsel
Consul.

Patton was a moron.

Yeah yeah Eternal Anglo yada yada yada

Adrian Dietrich Lothar von Trotha

General Theodore Roosevelt Jr.

Patton took Sicily and probably would of succeeded in fiance if they gave him the stuff he needed.

scipio defeated hannibal on the battle field

then they killed, raped, burned and enslaved those who were left in the whole country

after that romans hunt hannibal like an animal for 20 years (the sneaky bastard), until they got the nigger in syria and forced him to suicide

how is that a victory?

And yet he tried to nuke China.

For tactical purposes.

Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery

General Carl von Clausewitz

Shit on the field but an absolute genius otherwise.

Incoming muh market garden even though it was basically all the fault of 82nd Airborne. They didn't capture barely-defended Nimjegen Bridge on day one and instead dug in against some phantom German reserves from the east that turned out to be half-of-division worth of "soldiers" who didn't even finish basic training. Then Germans dug in on the opposite side of the bride and breaking through caused 36 hours delay. Had it not happened and Frost's Battalion in Arnhem would be rescued and operation would be a major victory(if still horribly costly for 1st Para).

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To be fair to the 82nd, it wasn't their fault either. It was a bold plan but full of risks and always operated on a razor's edge.

>fought for the losing side
>based
i'll show you a real based general

give me the redpill, quick

Yah and instead of putting in the battle hardened 82nd or 101st who proved themselves in Normandy on the hardest bridge He go's with the completely green 1st airborne it was doomed from the start.

Alexander is overmemed. While he is good, he is not as good as he is made out to be. His army was made with Pezhetairoi and hoplites, both of which were massive weakness to an army based on cavalry or mounted units. Which back then most armies had the mounted units as their backbone. His first major battle against the Illryan he had his army march and they ran away. Showing that most armies back then were not disciplined as a disciplined army would not have ran and Alexander would have died right there. His first major battle was against a cowardly incompetent king that ran as soon as Alexander tried to go after him. The army fell apart after the king ran and the Macedonians cleaned up an easy targets. Keep in mind that this was the biggest and strongest army he ever faced. He failed at the siege of Tyre and needed allies to help him. Without his allies he couldn't reach the walls let alone lay siege. And his final great battle was in India against a minor war chief and his army took massive casualties.
Hannibal and Caesar, on the other hand, were almost always outnumbered and beat disciplined armies time and time again. In Alesia, for example, Caesar was outnumbered 7:1 and still won a crushing defeat.
Don't know much about Pyrrhus. Any books you recommend?
Also, I believe Hannibal was being humble (after all he had just lost) and nice to the guy that beat him. Should be noted that Africanus studied Hannibal and used his own tactics to beat him. Also, Hannibal's entire life was wasted the second Carthage called him back and continued to refuse to help him.

Suvorov, statistically, and historically.
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Imagine fighting 10 guys and winning, then losing to the 11th guy. Doesn't mean the 11th guy was better. Hannibal, with barely any help from Carthage had fought and humiliated the Romans everytime. Then when SA pulled a Hannibal and attacked his capital the Carthaginians forced Hannibal back (imagine spending a decade to achieve a goal, giving up everything for that goal even your own eye, then being told it doesn't matter and to stop doing it).
The Carthaginians government was fucking with Hannibal in the same way Roman senators fucked with Pompey and Caesar.

This

Moltke the elder was easily better. Easily.

>be the reason why people dont heil hitler in 2018
> get locked up in jail by stalin for being too popular

Mi general

lol, learn you history

scipio never lost a single battle to hannibal
it was a massacre once scipio faced hannibal

hannibal was great, but scipio was greater

more based

this

This spiffing bloke obviously. Not a general, but a vice-admiral.

>lol, learn you history
>scipio never lost a single battle to hannibal
>it was a massacre once scipio faced hannibal
Say learn history, then says Scipio never lost a battle to Hannibal when Hannibal raped him and his dad at Cannae. Scipio used Hannibal's tactics of attacking the capital then Hannibal's tactics again to win Zama against a demoralized weak Hannibal.

>Green 1st Airborne

They were experienced and dropped on Normandy

Realistically speaking 1st Airborne made 3 mistakes. 2 in preparation - picking wrong dropping zone(Sosabowski wanted to land much closer to the bridge and as far as I've delved into the topic - he was correct, the zone was perfectly fine for landing then his initial zone was moved further west as his mission turned from "be the nail to the German coffin" to "Save as much of 1st Airborne as you can"), that was too far from Arnhem and forced them to defend too much ground if they wanted to keep being resupplied; ignoring the possibility of using nearby ferry instead of the bridge(which led them to ignoring the preparation for its defense and in turn nullified the last chance of making the operation successful). 1 in actual battle they've spent too much time trying to wrestle through the northern part of their zone of operation into Arnhem instead of disengaging once they've encountered resistance and "dodging south" with more battalions than just Frost's.
Then there was shit weather that delayed the Poles but if you look at it they weren't even needed there.

However, the situation for the Germans was pretty fucking shit in Arnhem sector no matter what. If the XXX Corps came from the south, while Frost still kept the northern part of the bridge, the battle was over for them.

If you look at the timing fuckups experienced during the operation you have:
#1 Delay XXX Corps experienced due to unexpected German resistance on day 1(moved ~40% of the planned distance for this day, so think of it as 6 hours)
#2 16 hours delay caused by two bridges in Eindhoven area going bust
#3 making up 6 hours once Eindhoven was left behind
#4 36 hours delay at Nimjegen
#5 relatively hard to calculate delay caused by 107th Panzer brigade breaking the corridor for 16 hours or so - think of it as 12 hours delay

They are mass murderers of Russians, nothing else. Zhukov's whole family should hang in hell by the balls to the 10th generation.

You are a fucking idiot. Hundreds of men under him died because he was a stupid fuck.

really ? what did he do ?
i read about him and there was nothing mentioning about something like this

>Pyrrhus
Read Plutarch's "Life of Pyrrhus", I believe it's one of the most famous books about him and it also contains his famous quote: "If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined."
>Alexander is overmemed
Is that why Caesar weeped at the feets of his statue?
>Pezhetairoi and hoplites, both of which were massive weakness to an army based on cavalry or mounted units. Which back then most armies had the mounted units as their backbone
Top kek. Cavalry was used wrong most of the time. They used it simply to scout or to battle the enmy cavalry. It was Macedonia that used cavalry to attack the enemy rear. It was a completly new tactic and a global game changer. The greek city states used hoplites primarly but the Macedonian Pezhetairoi (especially the Argyraspides) were the strongest weapon at that time and were able to defeat under Alexander and Eumenes enemy armies who had way more men.
Also Darius fled because Alexander personally took his whole cavalry and attacked Darius without being scared of losses. It's not that Darius was a coward, Alexander was just this mad. Same goes for India, Alexander alone jumped into an enemy city and took a arrow to the lung which made him retreat.
Hannibal on the other hand only beat a bunch of retards who larped as generals and once Scipio and Quintus Fabius took over he could not win anymore.
He also was unable to siege a single important city. To quote one of Hannibal's generals: "Of a truth the gods do not give the same man everything: you know how to gain a victory, Hannibal, but you do not know how to make use of it." That's why he lost.
Caesar was honestly a better politican than general. Every equal battle he fought against Pompeijus, he lost. He had to use surprise tactics to defeat Pompeijus who would have won if he had just marched against Rome instead of Spain.

>Name a General more based than Rommel.
>Pro-tip: You can


>William-Tecumseh-Sherman

>william-tecumseh-sherman
>This Bastard.

Zhukov had brilliant town sieging strategies, like for example having his men throw themselves at German occupied villages unit after unit until the Germans run out of bullets and retreat, having his men die in the process. Read this -> vho.org/tr/2004/3/Michaels334-340.html

Lettow Vorbeck

Hindenburg, Ludendorff, Mackensen to name a few.

All of it adds up to 64 hours, out of which 36 happened because 82nd forgot that they were dropped to capture a bridge and the other 12 would be irrelevant for the success of the operation if it wasn't for the fact that they were so far behind the schedule.

British held their side of Arnhem bridge 2 days longer than needed, XXX corps would miss the mark by less than 24 if it wasn't for Nimjegen.

It was the fault of Gavin, alright. The way Nimjegen Bridge was captured was in fact a proof that 82nd had tons of guts and performed one of the biggest feats of bravery during WW2(they've hopped into pontoons, crossed the river under massive fire in daylight and with no cover and encircled Germans), but when your commander doesn't make use of the main advantage of airborne units - surprise - it doesn't matter.


This is of course armchair general overview of the problem(I can't possibly estimate how long it would take XXX corps to break through German units that were defending the bridge but in this hypothetical scenario were in-between it and Arnhem - but given the fact that 1st Airborne managed to hold out 48 hours longer than planned gives a lot of room to breath so to speak), but the blame rests mostly on Gavin.

Ludendorff

"War is cruelty, and cannot be reformed. The crueler it is, the sooner it is over"

en.wikiquote.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman

oohh about those
yeah i know zhukovs tricks
for example i read that in the battle of rzhev mad man lost 1.5 mil men

BASED KIKELOVER
I LOVE ZIONISM

Are you being serious right now? How have the entire history of the Prussian and imperial German officer corps (the leftovers of which made up the Nazi armed forces leadership) and you choose Rommel?

leon trotzki was better

>cannae
>scipio africanus was not in charge of the army

>zama
>scipio completely destroys hannibal, he is actually in charge of the army
>reeee demoralized, weak, not fair!!!! reeee, he learned and adapted!!! reeeeee

what the fuck?

Also this. Is there any man in history whose victories came over a greater breadth of opponents in more varied conditions with more impressive results? At the very least he deserves the title of greatest general ever overcame on the field of battle, leaving the title of most based ot few others if any.

Frankly I didn't see the appeal of this bait, but obviously a lot of others did, so I say have a
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Yeah, that's why he's a mass murderer and not a general or a hero. Should have been gassed, less Russians would have died had he been.

No it didn't, it was in reserve. It had fought in Italy.

Nonce is British slang for someone who fucks boys

they had to fight with all means against the nazis. germany attacked so he was not responsible for the war in the first place

*laughs in superiority*