Capitalism won only because of the petrodollar and not because of its economic superiority

If America didn't control the oil trade, they would have never won against the communists.

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What about all of Russia's resources?

I'm pretty sure it's because they didn't need to build a wall to stop people escaping from east Germany to west.

Funny how capitalist systems don't have endless famines and genocides.

Isn't that weird op.

Capitalism outsources everything. Rekt.

Socialist states didn't have endless famines either. Soviet Union had three famines: one during Civil War, one in 30's, and one after WW2.
Soviet citizen in general was as well fed as an American.
Now don't take this as a defense of communism, I'm just correcting your bullshit argument.

Capitalcommunism is the only right answer.

I thought the USSR wasn't true communism

>if your fridge is empty, it is better to starve to death than to go outside and buy stuff

lmao yeah, definitely no one getting hungry or being exterminated in capitalist countries. nope. not a one.

Russia has twice as much oil as the US

>What about all of Russia's resources?
What about it?

Go be a starving commie somewhere else.

>venezuela doesn't have oil
>the middle east doesn't have oil
>russia doesn't have oil
>Africa doesn't have oil deposits
>Norway doesn't have oil

World Currency has always followed the strongest economic pull factor. Prior to 1944, it was the British Pound, prior to that was Gold Standard, prior to that was the spanish dollar that had major sway. Before that was only regional currencies because trade on that massive of a scale was not happening too often and it was just easier for the trades of merchandise. If goods or services needed a currency exchange it would have been done in local currency unless the person was leaving the country.

You are literally being a retard right now. Communism lost not because of the Petrodollar, it lost because it's economic output could not match that of capitalism.

Communism did a good run against an established system. It rocket launched many societies from mid 19th century agrarian shitholes into mid 20th century industrialized and slightly lesser shitholes. In the end a dominant position of capitalist countries won out, but communist legacy remained in both socialdemocrat policies in the west, as well as China's rise to world dominance in the east.

>Funny how capitalist systems don't have endless famines and genocides.
did you ever pick up a history book? countries like US or UK weren't spared of their share of famines and genocides, let alone non 1st world capitalist countries

Well, that's just not true. Meat was a luxury, you had to wait in lines for everything. Just look up Yeltsin's visit to an american supermarket.

>I'm pretty sure it's because they didn't need to build a wall to stop people escaping from east Germany to west.
It's a good thing that you brought this up so early in the conversation. Yeah, people did want to escape from East to West Germany, but the question is why? No one traded with the Soviets and the Soviets didn't have western tech and ameneties. The west on the other hand had all the tech and ameneties and thus people wanted to escape from East to West beyond the Iron Curtain.

Your assertion is a strawman because it implies that if communism and capitalism started off with the same tech and same ameneties, people would want to run from communism to capitalism.

>10,000:1 ratio per unit time & space
>Lmao genocide existed before so ur point is invalid

>I thought the USSR wasn't true communism
I didn't say it was.

-The Food (Lol)
-The Coal
-The Natural Gas
-The Oil

Hitler invaded Russia for the oil

Kys commie

>China
>A Threat outside its own borders
You should read a thing or two about China before you get your facts wrong

>Russia has twice as much oil as the US
But not as much as Saudi Arabia or the OPEC countries. U.S. controls Saudi oil trade, Saudis control all OPEC countries, and thus U.S. controls the world's oil reserves. That's been the case since the Vietnam war and the birth of the petrodollar.

You have a picture of Vladimir Lenin

Got lefties are so retarded

ok. this time it really is the end for China. the bubble will burst any time now

No USSR failed because USA stopped giving them gibs. In the last days of this system, wages for workers were paid with gold stolen during WW2. Russia has huge oil reserves. Putin owns like 70% of them. The USSR was never supposed to be self sustained, it was meant to make few men rich while the rest killed each other just to survive.

>>TIL an economic system that can control world energy production and reserves is not technically superior. It's rival that capitulated is!

Keep those mental gymnastics up, OPcuck!

God*

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Sadly they lack the ability to utilize it, nor refine it.

The history of Russia, is one of wasted potential.

This

America doesn't control the oil trade you retarded nigger.

Venezuela has the most oil in the world, and Saudi arabia / Canada are the biggest exporters of oil.

But hey, you keep thinking communism is worth anything more than shit.

Is there anything more pathetic in all of existence than western commieboos?

The only reason we consider China to be important because of economic factors and Sheer size (Plus nukes really do help)

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Thats right Timmy! Maybe if we cry loud enough we can get the devs to NERF CAPITALISM!

>venezuela doesn't have oil
>U.S. doesn't control Venezuelan oil trade

>the middle east doesn't have oil
>U.S. doesn't control ME oil reserves

>Africa doesn't have oil deposits
>Norway doesn't have oil
See above.

>You are literally being a retard right now.
No need to project this early in the conversation.

>Communism did a good run against an established system. It rocket launched many societies from mid 19th century agrarian shitholes into mid 20th century industrialized and slightly lesser shitholes.
True.
>In the end a dominant position of capitalist countries won out, but communist legacy remained in both socialdemocrat policies in the west, as well as China's rise to world dominance in the east.
Also true.

>the only reason we consider a nation powerful is its economic and military might
what a fucking retard

Would Sup Forums want to make alliances with commies so as long as they're anti-SJW and redpilled on the JQ?

I recently listened to Vee's interview with Maoist youtuber Jason Unruhe.

youtube.com/watch?v=-HnVPzsuBts

After following him on Twitter and watching multiple youtube vids of his, I think it's safe to say he's /ourguy/.

>Just look up Yeltsin's visit to an american supermarket.
Are you referring to the Yeltsin placed in the Kremlin by Americans? What level of sheep are you on?

Norway sells their oil because
>muh welfare
>muh small as fuck military

No need to have a military when you have the United States on your side

Same thing with Canada

>-The Coal
>-The Natural Gas
>-The Oil
Definitely not on the same level as the coal, natural gas and oil reserves that the U.S. controlled.
>Hitler invaded Russia for the oil
Because Saudis were farther and he needed the Georgian oil fields.
>Kys commie
Tch tch. Given up so soon?

Of course the evil reactionists destroyed the glorious socialist system. Just like they dropped potato bugs all over Poland in the 50s, that's why there were next to no crops. Absolutely not because of collectivization.

Never said military i was referring to population and manpower.
>the only reason we consider a nation powerful is its economic and military might
Is this not true though. America is greatly powerful because it has so much economic investment throughout the world (See Foreign Aid and UN financial statements). It also has one of the largest economies in the world and furthermore if we are talking about military (Since you brought that up) USA has military bases all around the world, it has 3 Million Tonnes in the Water (Navy Size), A budget incomparable to any other nation and leads multiple alliances and pacts.
So yeah it is a good measure of might Prove me wrong!

>Communist
>/ourguy/
Go back to commie/pol/

>You have a picture of Vladimir Lenin
And? That means I think Soviets implemented real communism? You're a sucker for baits aren't you?

Plus they have enough nukes to wipe out the world (That fucking helps)

>No USSR failed because USA stopped giving them gibs.
USSR failed because no one wanted to trade with USSR. Germany and Japan were the vassal states of the U.S. producing cars, electronics, machinery and various other items for war reparations and for access to oil.

USSR's trading partners were the Eastern Bloc and Cuba. USSR was always going to fail because they never had the tech or the resources to match the west and its petrodollar system.

>>TIL an economic system that can control world energy production and reserves is not technically superior.
Yeah, it's militarily superior you idiot.
>Keep those mental gymnastics up, OPcuck!
Projection much?

>America doesn't control the oil trade you retarded nigger.
>Nazi flag
You're a disgrace to the Nazis. Kys.

>Is there anything more pathetic in all of existence than western commieboos?
AnCap faggot.

>Capitalism only won because of a capitalist concept

Moving right along, there was no real "against" Communism. With the ability to close up borders, the Soviet system simply fell under its own weight.

>But why did the Soviet system fail?
Mostly because of numerous compounding inefficiencies. In general, the blackmarket made up a laughable percentage of the economy. Due to the complexities of central planning delays snaked through the country; e.g., a delay in road construction caused a delay in delivering coal, causing a delay in the manufacturing of steel, causing a delay in the production of sheet metal causing a delay in the production of cars which were needed to deliver work crews to build roads. The lack of hard currency made it extremely difficult for the Soviet Union to trade with foreign nations. Widely varying focuses and widespread corruption caused issues in long term planning and budgeting. Etc.

>Not because of its economic superiority
In general, an economy is a system to manage and produce goods to meet needs with limited resources.

So, what caused the fall of the USSR was a push for market liberalization due to failures to manage consumer needs. Literally, market liberalization was pushed to try to manage resources more carefully as Communism was under performing.

Thus, Communists themselves decided to dismantle a Communist system due to its economic inferiority.

>Maybe if we cry loud enough we can get the devs to NERF CAPITALISM!
I don't want to nerf capitalism, but at same time I'm not retarded to believe that capitalism is the greatest economic system in the world. At best, it's the same as communism. The difference? In capitalism people are conned into believing their economy is good when people somewhere far away are subjugated. In communism, you are told what to do and hence you feel directly subjugated. No difference otherwise.

>Norway sells their oil because
>muh welfare
>muh small as fuck military
>No need to have a military when you have the United States on your side
>Same thing with Canada
Precisely faggot. How is military might equated to economic soundness? America has been militarily strong because during WW2 the British gave it military secrets that jumped American tech by 20 fucking years. Not one, not two, twenty fucking years!!!
After the war, the U.S. was the only country with a stable economy and they decided to outspend everyone on their military.

You moron, the only reason U.S. is so strong militarily is because we've had an amazing head start.

Can someone in 2018 really be defending communism ? You're worse than a nigger.

Dude, LISTEN to Jason. He's highly redpilled.
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kill yourself shill rat

>Of course the evil reactionists destroyed the glorious socialist system.
Don't get me wrong. The Soviets weren't communists. They were Stalinists more than anything. All I'm trying to say here is that capitalism is not an economically sound model. It requires the control of a precious resources, be it sugar (Dominican and South American Slaves), tobacco and cotton (American slaves), tea (Indian and Caribbean slaves), or oil (ME destabilization).

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SA VORAN

Soviet communism died because of a very rich cabal fucking over everybody else. Straight after collapse Russian Jewish billionaires (the oligarchy) came out of knowhere, funny that. Considering everybody was supposed to be equal.

>Capitalism only won because of a capitalist concept
>It's ok to enslave people or subjugate them to get what you want.
Good job equating capitalism to military oligarchies. You did my job for me.

>But why did the Soviet system fail?
>Mostly because of numerous compounding inefficiencies.
>Mostly because no one traded with the Soviets.
FTFY.

>Thus, Communists themselves decided to dismantle a Communist system due to its economic inferiority.
But you say
>Literally, market liberalization was pushed to try to manage resources more carefully as Communism was under performing.
So you admit that the soviets had to open their markets in order to get outside benchmarks to compete against.

Just kys.

>America is greatly powerful because it has so much economic investment throughout the world
you mean exactly what China has been doing for the past 10 years and has started ramping up atm.

>It also has one of the largest economies in the world
the largest. followed by EU and China which are 90% and 65% its size respectively. Consider that 50 years ago the size of China's economy was 10% that of the US economy.

>(Since you brought that up) USA has military bases all around the world
true

>it has 3 Million Tonnes in the Water (Navy Size),
with China's Navy a not-so-close second. that said, China has increased its Navy forces by 5-6 times in the past 30 years.

>A budget incomparable to any other nation
not incomparable. China's military budget is 1/3 of US military budget. China also spends almost 60% less of its GDP on military, specifically 1.9% compared to US 3.4%. If you used GDP (PPP) criteria the difference would be way, way smaller. Chinese soldier or their own R&D costs way less than in USA

>So yeah it is a good measure of might Prove me wrong!
so I did.

Capitalism isn't an "ism".
It's just life, who we are, our natural state of being.

Actually you have no knowledge about the history of ussr... The only thing sustaining them since begining of ww2 was us gibs. I grew up there.
>Multicultural union with forced occupation of countries that want nothing to do with it
>ussr had no unemployment because even if you were drunk who never did anything you still had a job, if you were drunk and couldnt go to work, militia came to your home and took you to work even if you didnt do anything there, still got paid for it in worthless currency
>Systems were corrupt beyond belief
>You could buy anything in ussr if you had the dollar. And I mean anything even people.
>ussr always had oil in siberian region
>siberians became rich during 90's, the wild west of ex-ussr states, due to their massive oil supplies, locals flew helicopters to their neighbors
>you cant even realize how massive russia is, put that together with european, asian countries they occupied and if you apply decent government system you get self-sustaining super power
>ussr was never about selfsustaining, my 56%, it was about people in power getting rich, if you believe otherwise, invent a time machine and fuck off back to 1916 where you'd get killed for having iq over 70.

>Good job equating capitalism to military oligarchies. You did my job for me.
>Agreements between nations for currency/trade standards are military oligarchies
Really makes you think.


>Mostly because no one traded with the Soviets.
But that's the funny thing; if Communism in one country worked, then it wouldn't have fucking mattered as the state would be able to survive on its own. Likewise, if no one from the capitalists traded with no one from the communists then it wouldn't fucking matter as neither could trade with eachother.

>So you admit that the soviets had to open their markets in order to get outside benchmarks to compete against.
How is that anything close to what I said?

I have no idea which part of what you say here counters me saying USSR failed because no one wanted to trade with it. Everything you said refers to internal problems which arose because there were no external benchmarks for the USSR to compete with.

>Cites economic reason for capitalism winning
>claims capitalism didn't win based off economic superiority

Shitpost. All fields.

>Agreements between nations for currency/trade standards are military oligarchies
>Really makes you think.
Hahahahaha. Really? I'm sorry, I never realized that most of the ME countries destabilized by the U.S. had valid, unbiased, sovereign trade agreements with the U.S.

> if Communism in one country worked, then it wouldn't have fucking mattered as the state would be able to survive on its own.
Which capitalist state survives on its own without trade with external countries. The U.S. which had protectionist markets went into so many recessions that it was easy to push for a Central Bank multiple times. And it still went into a Great Depression after that.

Your arguments are weak.

>Cites economic reason for capitalism winning
I'm sorry, I never realized that controlling the oil trade with your military prowess counts as economic superiority. My bad.

Please proceed to sage in all fields.

How is utilizing capitalism to “win” the oil trade not a victory for capitalism?

???

Communism lost because no one wanted it.

The part where I said ussr could be self sustaining without outside trade.

I consider nazbols and strasserites allies. Exept for your thoughts on private property we are literraly almost, sort of the same thing

>does not contradict any point that I made
>does not contradict that the reason of the post

>Capitalism won only because of the petrodollar and not because of its economic superiority

>If America didn't control the oil trade, they would have never won against the communists.

You literally state the following

>venezuela doesn't have oil
>U.S. doesn't control Venezuelan oil trade

>the middle east doesn't have oil
>U.S. doesn't control ME oil reserves

>Africa doesn't have oil deposits
>Norway doesn't have oil
See above.

The petro currency was the reason as to why USSR lost the cold war and yet several of the nations I stated traded in both US and the Soviet Ruble. Problem for those nations found out was that the US dollar has more purchasing power and flexibility than the Soviet Ruble. This means more economic strength. This means stronger economic value.

It's like you are literally being retarted. An inferior economy does not win a war of economic might. The economic output of a will continue to succeed as long its production and output continue to gain strength. Clearly in 1991 the USSR could not match their ruble with the US Dollar.

Grandma used to have a joke. When we used to ask her what's for lunch she would say "Russian steak" what we got was baloney. She said a slice of baloney is a steak in Russia!

>xx century
>a famine in every decade
>it's ok, this is completely fine

Medieval Europe were more stable than that. Not to mention that the socialist block remained on the verge of famines and social collapse until it was utterly defeated by the west. Without reform, the Soviet Union had another famine lined up.

*braaaaaaaaaaaaappp*

To be fair they were in war. Also Russia

> Capitalism is only better than Communism because it provided superior tech, amenities and lifestyle to citizens.

Great argument bro you've really convinced me

>It rocket launched many societies from mid 19th century agrarian shitholes into mid 20th century industrialized and slightly lesser shitholes.
If you mean Russia and China, you are a retard. If you mean any Eastern European country, you are a double retard.

These countries were industrializing without communism and would have had a better industrialization without the communist mind rot of economic planning. Look at Taiwan, that's what would China look like, maybe a bit more fascistic without Mao. Industrialization gradually spread eastwards in Europe too. Communism did nothing that actually benefited the economy, everything would have gone way better without it.

They weren't in war in the 30s during the meme holodomor or during Mao's retarded kill the birds idea or the 80s food shortages. Communists were retards, who had absolutely no idea how to not run a country into the group. The system was doomed to collapse. They shot down every good initiative that came from within and tried to control everything, while they were too retarded to understand the complex system.

Communism was an exotic idea in the XIX. century, but it was never a valid model for the real world and the only keeping it alive is boundless ignorance.

ancaps thinking they're anarchists.

I forgot to mention this little gem
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict
China does have a large economy but also a very unstable one too
businessinsider.com/chinas-economy-is-still-weak-and-unstable-2016-3?IR=T
scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/2085815/wen-and-now-chinas-economy-still-unsustainable
forbes.com/sites/sarahsu/2016/12/13/three-things-that-weakened-chinas-economy-in-2016/#ca4798b512f6
thebalance.com/china-economic-reform-3305479
I could get more sources if you want.
For all of your other points i will cede to but, in saying that you contradict what you said earlier on
>the only reason we consider a nation powerful is its economic and military might
>what a fucking retard
So in saying that you are contradicting yourself. Please keep consistent.

They lost because communism is a retarded economic model. The government can not efficiency determine the market demand and amount to supply. It’s simple.

>petrodollar is not economic superiority

>implying every capitalist state is an USA or Germany

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Without a market, there's no way to allocate resources effectively. Leading to massive famines, I.E. : Soviet Russia

>you didnt win because of your economic superiority but your economic superiority*
>if it wasnt for your superiority you would have never just watched our bullshit bubble economies crumble and collapse one after another the second they ran out of shit to steal from the public all on their own

Oh its leftypol being retarded again...

which year was the last famine in soviet russia?

>Not the greatest
What's better?

Capitalism is just as Jewish and anti-White as Communism is.

National Socialism is the future for the White race.

> t. shill

You know very well that everything was rationed. People went for years without knowing how an orange tasted like.

kek, commie asshole burned :^)

Capitalist famines are in blue, "communist" famines are in red.

ha, forgot the pic cause I'm a dumbass

In Poland oranges were a popular Christmas gift. In my experience what Americans respond to best, when discussing the Eastern Block, is the fact that we had rationed toilet paper. When they were playing their Atari polish kids were in an 8-hour line to buy fucking toilet paper (if there was any delivered).

how old are you?

27, my older brother is 41 though. After school he had to go stand in a line in case there is a delivery of something meat related.

Fucking (((shill)))

History books will tell you that Bolsheviks intentionally caused starvation and mass murder of millions to remove opposition.

Not even Lenine got voted to power on the first and last elections of the USSR, so he killed those who did won.

Your Jewish-based "good run" kept half of Europe under-developed and starving for 70 years.

Europe is certainly still (((influenced))) by communism as a good thing, until it actually happens and everything goes to shit.

Thanks, but no thanks. Please don't kill more millions around here.

>outsourcing is bad

This is an incredibly brainlet meme, unless you think everyone should live like the Amish. Of course, it would be impossible, given the number of people.