Decide to start a business

>Decide to start a business
>Decide that I want to open a coffee shop
>Take out a small loan to finance it
>Rent out a location, buy the assets I need
>Hire a worker for an agreed on wage to make coffees for my customers
>First month ends, make a small profit
>My retard worker starts complaining that it's not fair that the profit goes to me because he actually made the coffees my business sold
>Despite the fact that if I didn't create the business he'd have no job, I have taken on ALL of the risk and still need to make many months more worth of profit to break even with the capital I invested to create the business in the first place
Can someone explain communist logic to me? I don't get it

>communist
>logic

If this happened...
If the cunt complains again, hire someone else then fire him.

unnecessary, fire him

Definitely cut his wage to put him in place before replacement to show him he's a cuck

>the government is the people
>if the government owned everything the people own everything
>the government cares about the people

communists are fucked in the head

no, he will get pissed and ruin you
if you need to, fire him without warning

Probabily simpler than that
>If the government owns everything then they'll give me more gibs me dats for being a completely worthless tumour with a gender studies degree
>full communism nao!

Tell him to open his own shop.

Tell him that growth is a pyramid scheme.

or tell him...

Growth is process of wealth distribution that occurs across time. Wait in line.

Or better yet, teach him how to get on welfare programs so you can have cheaper labor in your business.

And do you think any of these are likely to stop the "REEEE! You get more than me! UNFAIR! COMMUNISM IS THE ONLY WAY!" mentality?

remind him that a robot could do his job just as well and wouldn't talk back or spout commie nonsense

fire him and hire someone else

Fire zer right now and don't hire leftists in the future.

Without capital, there would be no labor is a fact of capitalism. Just as there is no slave without a master and a master without a slave.

Your decision to invest and become a capitalist is ultimately irrelevant, because if you didn't do it, someone else would have. If this worker didn't work for you, he would have worked for someone else. What matters isn't the functioning of the individual enterprise, but the underlying relations, the broader social structures, which ultimately determine the functioning of all capitalist enterprises, is what ultimately matters.

In other words, who you are as an individual is irreverent, what matters is what you represent within the context of the system as a whole. And in this case, just as the interests of the slave is opposed to the interests of the master, the interests of labor is opposed to the interests of capital.

The state doesn't exist outside or above society, it is an integral part of it. The liberal delusion is that the state exists for the general interest, when in truth the state exists for the preservation of the status quo - for the preservation of the dictatorship of one class above the others.

The question of the state is ultimately the question of power, which begs an even further, more fundamental question: "Who whom?". To whom does the power belong; does it belong to capital, or does it belong to labor? For the Communist, that's the only question that matters. And the use of state power is a means to end, the end being the emancipation of the whole of society from the fetters of capital.

>if you didn't do it, someone else would have
This is 100% incorrect and everything you've based on this flawed premise is also incorrect. Is communism so fragile that you really need to base it on retarded concepts like "W-well if you didn't create a job for him someone else probably would have!". It's demonstrably false and doesn't have any connection to how things work in reality.

>To whom does the power belong; does it belong to capital, or does it belong to labor?
In capitalism it belongs to the individual. I have the choice to sell my labor to another person or entity or I can create my own business and employ other people to achieve a goal.

Compared to that your naive "class struggle" based on jealousy towards people who are more successful than yourself has little appeal

My point was that the decision is ultimately trivial and misses the point. The point was that who he is as an individual is irrelevant because his existence as a capitalist is representative of broader social structures.

And yes, if there was a demand, someone would have eventually supplied it. The creation of individual enterprises doesn't eliminate unemployment as a social ill. The most it could do is temporarily raise it. Unemployment is systematic, an inevitable consequence of the economic structure of capitalism, existing so wages can be depressed and remain low enough to guarantee a profit. But no, you don't view things in terms of society, in terms of social forces, what matters is the individual, and because this individual just so happen to be graced with an occupation by another individual, s/he should be grateful. Grateful, of course, disregarding that the employment of workers is a prerequisite for most enterprises to even function. Grateful because out of all the people the capitalist could have chosen, s/he chose ME! Disregarding of course, the capitalist is almost guaranteed to have a pick of the litter because of the already-existing unemployment. And so on and so on.

>based on jealousy towards people who are more successful than yourself has little appeal
Class struggle has nothing to do with individual personal feelings, given the individual is ultimately secondary compared to broader social forces and should only be understood within the context of these social forces. Your - moral - justification of capitalism has more to do with personal feelings than an a scientific understanding of society, that is to say, an understanding of class struggle. Because it is plainly apparent that different social-economic classes exist with conflicting interests, and just delusional to say otherwise.

And yes, you have shit and I want it. The system we live in works on "jealousy", and that's not a bad thing. The material interests of capital and labor are opposed. There is no morality here, as if the immerseration of the working class is some moral evil to be lamented, just cold hard material interest.

Oh and saying that there is an overlap of interests between the worker and the capitalist is a platitude since the proletariat didn't even exist before capitalism. Yes, people have benefited from capitalism, but the world is much more complex then at first glance, and beneath the surface lies an antagonism that permeates throughout society.

if you were a true business man you'd do the work your fucking self. just because some jews gave you some shekels you think you can now lord over common folk?

communism would only work if there's no government at all
that's the definition of communism really
communal
everyone governs everyone
if you have a government representing you as the people communism would fail
why don't they understand that

this desu you shouldnt have hired someone before paying your loan off
if i were you i would have taken as small of a loan as possible and not just opened a huge ass loan to cover the entire thing
i would have worked and saved up enough to where i can pay the loan off quickly so that i could hire more people quickly and then not have even work in that store
then while that profit is building take the huge loan out and build a second store that you could pay off even faster now. rinse and repeat

Because insofar as there exists class society, there will exist the state.

Saying that a classless society would only work if we lived in a classless society is a tautology.

edgy

>Your - moral - justification of capitalism has more to do with personal feelings than an a scientific understanding of society
Not really. People want things. They want food, all varieties of it. Pizza, vegetables, fruits, meats, fast food, junk food, sweet foods, dessert foods, soups, stews, tacos, sushi, hamburgers, steaks. They want houses, they want furniture, they want cars, they want electronics, they want media to consume, movies, television shows, books, videogames. People want beer, they want wine, they want all sorts of services, they want financial advice, they want pest control, they want massages, they want things repaired, they want things replaced, they want trips to other countries, they want to take cruises on the ocean.

People want a lot of things and the best system to make those things available to people is capitalism. I don't give a fuck about moral justifications. I want to be able to drive to my local supermarket and have it crammed with goods that I can choose to buy. What system will give me, the consumer, the most choice? Capitalism.

There are no other concerns at all. If you want things then you want capitalism. Period.

he's a fucking idiot who thinks anyone who owns a business is a millionaire

Yeah and I trust you and your friends with ultimate power in a "vanguard state" to do the right thing when you get a taste of it.

> business man
> do the work
You don't understand anything about business.
If you do any kind of work yourself, you are merely self-employed, you are not businessman.
Running business means hiring, delegating, making policies and making decisions. If you need to serve coffee, you hire barrista. If you need to hire better barrista, you hire HR who knows their shit and they give you properly vetted candidates.

sounds more like self entitled dumb shit than communist.
Get a new hire, train em, then fire the complainer.

HR is overrated, useless bullshit. And not needed for such a small business.

Every single marxist desires to be a party member that has the right to dictate who gets what. The criticism of capitalists is not out of any true love for the common worker, but simply envy for the capitalists are able to do to the common worker.

>Class struggle has nothing to do with individual personal feelings
Exactly, communism is nothing more than a means to end in which a certain select few about absolute power over the many

This isn't true at all. You try sorting through 200+ resumes and interviewing people as a small business owner. It's time consuming and usually you need to be at the front of the business most days. Outsourcing it to a decent HR firm saves a shitload of effort and is usually worthwhile.

Fire the cunt.

You're forgetting that the majority of consumption are those that come from upper-income brackets. Just because everyone is a consumer, this doesn't mean that people consume equally the same items. Consumption is ultimately divided by class.

You're saying that capitalism allows the proliferation of different quality products to realize a large set of wants, but are their wants met? No. Only a relatively small portion of society are allowed to opportunity to enjoy the vast proliferation of commodities.

If freedom is the ability to act or realize, then under capitalism, freedom is measured by how much money you have, because the more money the more you can do.

>Class struggle has nothing to do with individual personal feelings

Why am I even reading you?

That's entirely incorrect. Any deformation of the potentiality of socialism under the revisionist states are not a product of individual psychology, but a product of broader social and economic forces. Stalin didn't desire to become what he did and then became, he simple became what he did due to his actions.

You know it's true. Class struggle is there regardless if we like it or not or approve of it or not. It's an objective fact.

>Only a relatively small portion of society are allowed to opportunity to enjoy the vast proliferation of commodities.
That's fine. Only a small portion of society actually contribute to society in any meaningful way. Janitors don't deserve Lamborghini's because the value they add to society doesn't justify them earning such an expensive and rare product. Don't forget that the purpose of capitalism isn't just creating things to meet consumer demand, it's also a meritocracy that metes out currency to those who provide the most valuable services. A successful business owner who employs 50 people is more valuable than a single unskilled laborer. A highly trained brain surgeon is more valuable than a cashier at a retail store. This is the reality of life.

You want to earn more money? Provide more value to society. Create a business that fulfils a demand, many people have become millionaires or billionaires by doing that. Or just gain highly valued skills like engineering, acting, medicine, management, IT, or any number of other areas where people are earning good money because they provide something of value to organizations.

Life isn't a charity, and it's not fair. Nor should it be. Maybe the wants of a janitor aren't met by the fact that he can't afford a Lamborghini, but that's life and that is acceptable.

>And yes, you have shit and I want it. The system we live in works on "jealousy", and that's not a bad thing.

>This is what commies actually believe

>preaching some sort of inevitable prophecy that's the result of determinism
You guys are literally fanatics push a religion

>thingsthatneverhappened

Sage

Fuck you mate, a good janitor is fucking priceless.

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Don't waste time trying to argue with communists. They are not human so human logic will be incomprehensible to them.

Find a different employee and fire him.

>The material interests of capital and labor are opposed.
How does a mom and pop shop fit into the bigger picture between an assemblyline worker and a CEO? Are their interests opposed to 16 year old johnny who works inside their hobby shop?