Spain

>bankrupt
>20% unemployment rate
>4.5 millions of immigrants
how is it possible? nobody helped us between 1999-2007 with mass immigration and now you northcutts suffer the same

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is 17% unemployment and 6 millions of immigrants, yes that nigga with the Parents from Morocco born here should be a migrant too

>yes that nigga with the Parents from Morocco born here should be a migrant too
they arenot spaniards, they have nacionality that is all

>they have nacionality
they shouldn't

Our economy is entirely based on tourism and the only jobs for young people are of bartender, so when the EU collapses, you can espect this to become the fucking hell

>economy is entirely based on tourism
lie, is only 5% of the GDP but gives 2 million employees

I will be in japan by then good luck manolo

>nobody helped
xD

this is partially true but after we enter in the r78 the mass unemployement always has been high ,our labour market rely exclusibely in tourism and except cataloina basque country and madrid there isn much left

we cant compeat with germans and other norther countries with the euro,

we should've never agreed to use the euro, pesetas were fine. Now prices are insane

What else can you expect from a country being this cucked? I'm really disappointed, Manolo.

You need us to reach imperium brother!

17% unemployement from 28%, not too bad.
Also WE signed the mediterranean treaty in Barcelona to accept mass immigration into Europe.

Nobody agreed. As soon as we learned that anything that costed 100 pesetas would cost 1€ (166 pesetas) people protested all over the country (plus old people didn't want to re-learn the costs and prices).

Also, pesetas where money. The euro is currency. We would've got a "freedom intervention" from the US if we refused.

At least the Spanish own their economy

Im fucking mad

We raped your women and theyrs

And now you're switching sides, really sad, Jordi, really sad, and you know what makes it worse? That at least, our men (the Natives) fought all they could to prevent you from raping our women, you on the other hand, are allowing it to happen.

>Socialist pension system made welfare state bankrupt due to population pyramid
What could have gone wrong? How is this possible?
>Government says although the system has collapsed we gonna make pensions higher
Oh great, problem solved!

Why do you blame it on immigrants while you know it's because of corruption and poor work ethic.

Who told you it was immigra- oh wait. The same people that ruined it by being corrupt. Right.

> Spain's economic growth rate is 3%

3% in Developed country is great
Why do you care?

Must hurt being next door to comfy Portugal

They know they can't sustain it, look at job listings in Spain, it's all hotels, restaurants, shit that depends on tourism, OP's theory is that the Spanish economy will go to shit (probably even worse than in 2008) if (or when) the EU collapses (because of the UK and possibly Italy leaving) and the tourism stops.

>The main issue of Spain are immigrants

You cannot be more blind

El CataloniANO

We are still fucking just look at sex tourism

...

Spain would be better without EU

>marrano shilling against pensions and social stability
>blames everybody except the real culprits

Of course you are, it's not the same as what's happening in Spain and Europe and it's no surprise either, why would Indio women reject European Spanish men? Europeans are clearly superior, I'm not rebutting that. The real question here is why would Spanish women choose an African refugee over a European?

It fucking angers me.

>why would Spanish women choose an African refugee over a European?

>Also, pesetas where money.
It was currency. All "money" , like the shit you have on your wallet, was enacted currency after the "Nixon Shock" in 1971.

You silly dilly.

Immigrants are shit, but we need to blame who is really responsible: the self-serving political caste.

Regionalism, repeating institutions, huge waves of fucking bureaucracy. There are more civil servants in Spain than in the rest of EUROPE!.

Whatever about Cs and Podemos being cucks, on this they are both right. At a minimum we need transparency, we need salary and assets of all the politicians, and union leaders.

In the end of the day we need businesses, made by spaniards. In Ireland I can start a company for about 50 euro online. In Spain the same exact structure will be well over 1500. Same bullshit with being self-employed: 300 euro a month whether I earn or not. No one here wants to do an honest days work. They all want to be "funcionarios" and suck us dry.

The day of the rope can't come soon enough.

We had an autonomous monetary system (therefore the slow growth and the difficulties to "break free" from the autarchy). We didn't use fiat money until the transition in the year 2000.

>At a minimum we need transparency, we need salary and assets of all the politicians, and union leaders.
For what? We all know they're corrupt and that they have their lifelong salaries PLUS their salaries in private companies which is illegal. Yet what has people done about it? Watch soccer and drink beer?

and yet another unsuccessful nation which was run by blacks
nothing new

Jesus fucking Christ is true.

I-I'm the silly dilly?

It's a beginning. If we have every funcionario, and every politicians salary an benefits publicacly available, we could at least have the vestige of modern society.

Then we can go further, and go full Norwegian, having a ranking of the last years income tax available for every citizen.

Then whilst accepting regionalism, agree some shit like health etc. needs to be pooled for cheaper buying and services.

But honestly, until we remove half of the civil servants nothing will change. They are an entitled group which produce nothing whatsoever, with the majority corruptly gaining their positions.

Still richer than you Slavfag. What's your excuse? Why are there so many of your women by the side of my morning commute whoring themselves out on plastic furniture?

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>Spain
>richer than Poland

OH NO NO NO
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AAAAAAAAAA

They are.

OH YES

JAJAJAJAJAJA

The answer should be
We are*

Poor polish boy, your economy is sad than ours

Debt as % of GDP
105.64%

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

I'm sorry manolo but the situation is unsustainable
we're leaving one way or the other, for now we're trying to do it the nice way. for now.

>possibly Italy leaving
that wouldn't affect tourism much
germany and bongland are by far our biggest customers, next is probably france

>Being catalan as a nationalist
>Renaixement

Could be today the moment when indepecuks learn history and stop fucking out with myths?

>crown of aragon
maybe you should learn history yourself

>crown of aragon
>Last pic
Nice try faggot

>manolo IQ

WE ARE!

Quan estas parlan en un atre catala pero el marxime cultural de Soros kick hard

You're basically just one big party country for Deano and the lads. I kind of pity the fact you need to cater to those idiots just to economically survive.

Pd: also you haven t answer me, the current independentisme doesn t stand for the Aragon crown, in fact it s the opposite(liberlism, republican, marxism-....)

kek. Legit. Goes for the whole iberian peninisula really.

>Why do you blame it on immigrants while you know it's because of corruption and poor work ethic.
Corruption is the source, inmigrants is a mean..

>Who told you it was immigra- oh wait. The same people that ruined it by being corrupt. Right.
Not one politician says this, politicians sell immigrants as the ones who fund social security

Men are no longer men, as women are no longer women.. but 'un altered men' like africans are more masculine and thus more attractive

>Quan estas parlan en un atre catala pero el marxime cultural de Soros kick hard

Se suposa que això hauria de ser català? Ben provat, Manolo, però hauries d'haver fet servir un traductor online

It's going to be a catalan nation by and for catalans, like the catalano-aragonese crown was

This makes me sad, I love Spain and it's a beautiful country with very kind people. I wish it was never turned into a low-class tourist hell where millions of chavs descend to get drunk and puke on the beaches. Spaniards probably think that is how all Brits are, because it is how the ones who go to Spain act.

Swallow your pride and get rif of your moroccan holdings. Theyre only gates for niggers.

>catalano-aragonese crown
No such thing
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>catalano-aragonese
Nice Joke
>Se suposa que això ha
Quan vas de nacionalista pero intentes implanta un catala artifical de forma que desfas les formes de parla autoctones pa sustituiles per eixa basura normalitça...
Obri els ulls va

>Spaniards probably think that is how all Brits are
Everyone thinks so. Bong tourists are the worst.

>Valencian nigger
I should've known
No miro de "implanta" res, sóc d'un poble de l'Empordà i també tenim les nostres particularitats dialectals, però a l'hora d'escriure fem-ho bé que dóna un poc de pena i sembles un ruc blavero

Ara bé, sereu acceptats dins l'estat català tan aviat accepteu que la llengua es diu català i no pas "valencià" que és sols un dialecte

Not only richer.


MUCH richer.

Lot of Poles here working and stuff. Not bad people in general.

Never!!

At least while Gibraltar is not ours.

The entrance to the mediterranean sea should be controlled by us.

Tell to the anglo heretic to move his ass out of here.

Well, for one, I question the ambitions of Spaniards in business life. In the last years I have been to four of the Canary Islands (La Gomera, Teneriffa, El Hiero and Fuerteventura), to Madrid, Barcelona, Sevilla, Malaga, Almeria, Granada and Majorca.

And everywhere I saw potential, but no one wanting to exploit that potential. The English language skills are generally poor, marketing via the internet is often neglected, tourist regions cater to the low lives from Britain, France and Germany rather than to higher class tourists... culture offerings such as theatre, opera, festivals, etc. are neglected, etc.

Then you go to Israel, you see the absolutely same external conditions (hot, a lot of sea border, dry, threatened by Arabs) and everyone works in a start-up, in trade, in business or has a small or larger shop and everyone speaks very good English.

It is truly a cultural difference. Israelis are hard working, Spaniards are not.

On the bright side: none of us are Mutts!

(Yet)

best goy
well it's hardly fair to compare any one to god's chosen people, right?

>sereu acceptats
You can wait

And here it is the (((cucktalonian))) telling us his fantasy tales again.
Go back to suck Isisrahell's cock Guardiloca.

blaveros and manolos will be purged when the day of the falç arrives

Hey Mexican amigo, can i get into exile in the virreinato... I mean México... The moors want to establish a caliphate and the feminazis and lgtb are chasing all white hetero man, help

Yes, America sucks, I know. Wish I wasn't born here.

at least you have something resembling freedom

Imagine being thus delusional. you could take the poorest region in spain and it would still be richer than poland

Only way you are leaving is on the end of a rope

Slava dumb shit are still 3th world tier, don complain. Millions o slabic women went to Spain to sold their ass in costa del sol , maricon

Hardly...

well, just consider we don't have second ammendments or even first ones, also most europeans pay almost half of their salary in taxes

Read what say Rodrigo

Why do Spaniards fail to speak English? Why do they fail at tech and manufacturing? It took the Germans to show Seat how to make cars, how come?

T'HI ARRIBARÀ AVIAT EL JORN DEL FALÇ BLAVERO

there was literally nothing wrong with SEAT cars you dumb kraut, they were good and well liked cars but you came over with your fat wallet and bought our last car manufacturer to make it into a lame offshoot of volkswagen

brace yourself, im coming over

sure

i dont trust that graph
why is there a gap between categories

Spain needs its achilles in order to prosper

Of course you can, I think it's quite easy to come, if you don't come for 'acciones remuneradas' aka for work, you can come in without a Visa. If you have a college degree you could easily found a job here in Mexico and I think that if you come as a tourist you can actually look for work while you're here, the only thing you would need to do is apply for the work permit in a Mexican Embassy so you would have to go to another country (or just finding/applying for a job from Spain), if you're doing it while in Mexico, you could easily go to the US and apply for the work permit as a foreigner from a Mexican embassy there after that I think you can get 'residencia' or what I would think would be the Mexican equivalent of a green card (not citizenship) after living in Mexico for 4 years.

About the social life in Mexico, it depends exactly in which city and what economic standing you have, obviously, if you have money you'll be treated well everywhere and by everyone, if not, then in most cases you'll be treated good for being Spanish, especially by girls and if you're white and have coloured eyes, some people, of course, will treat you the opposite way for the same reason, but from what I've seen, Mexicans really like Spaniards so I don't think you should worry about that. There's a huge Spanish community in Mexico, most of them concentrating in the 'colonia' of Polanco in Mexico City, where the Spanish Consulate is, a few blocks from the consulate is the Sociedad of Beneficiencia Española which was founded like 150 years ago and it's basically a hospital and retirement community for (mostly) Spaniards, they have a 'membership' which only Spaniards or their sons and spouses can request, that would give you some discounts, benefits in the hospital, within Polanco are multiple Spanish cuisine restaurants and pretty much that's all there is Mexico City having to do with the Spanish community.

(1/?)

will mexico become the new spen?
im asking for romanian reasons

After that, there's also the Colegio Madrid, which is what Americans would call a K12 school, founded by the Republican Refugees, it's quite expensive as well, really makes you think, a fucking school founded by communists is now a private school, also, in this school, if you have kids in what in the Spanish system is ESO and Bachiller, they give you both a Spanish and Mexican certificate, so I guess that's a plus for that school.

As far as security is concerned, if you stay within the 'expensive' zones, as for example, Polanco, you'll probably be fine.

If you're coming as a student you could apply to the public universities, the most popular (and of most quality) are the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) and the National Polytechnic Institute, as far as I know they don't charge International Students anything, there are also private universities, such as Monterrey Institute of Technology and Higher Education (also know as Tec de Monterrey) they have multiple campuses around Mexico, the Mexican Autonomous Institute of Technology which iirc only has 1 campus in Mexico City, iirc the average tuition fee (idk if there's a special fee for international students) is around 6,000 euros for a semester, so they are quite expensive.

Maybe there are some things which I left out but this is all I think I know about the Spanish community in Mexico and the very basic things a foreigner would need to know. You would be very welcomed.

We welcome anyone, from anywhere, as long as you're useful (aka having a college education).

They are actually useful choke points to control the flow of immigrants,not many make it through. Of course, they are harder to defend when we're under constant scrutiny by the bleeding hearts northerners from the EU, who are ready to punish us even for using non-lethal means to defend it.

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mexico seems nice desu
is the drug problem that bad or is it blown out of proportion

I think it's blown out of proportion, maybe not for Mexico as a whole, but as a regular citizen, especially in Mexico City it's not a problem, I mean... in Mexico City you will never ever in your whole life see something related to the cartels, like for example, a large shooting, the beheadings Sup Forums apparently loves, there is street (urban) violence in Mexico City, obviously the crime concentrates in the poorest zones, you see robbings in the nicer areas but as long as you don't go around flaunting wealth or being 'distracted' they won't mess with you, obviously, those crime cells in Mexico City are probably in part operated by the cartels but they won't act the same way they would do in a smaller town, because they can't, there's like 23 million people in the metro area of Mexico City, they don't have the same control as they could/would in a smaller town. And there's also other cities, such as Queretaro that don't even have any kind of violence and they have decent jobs, the problem in these cities for some people is that they are boring as fuck, theres not much to do in Queretaro (which I would consider the safest city in Mexico) compared to Mexico City and btw, Queretaro is like 3 hours away from Mexico City by car, so that wouldn't be much of a problem, this city in particular is extremely catholic and conservative, unlike Mexico City which is far more liberal, so I guess there's quite a diverse selection on Mexican cities. So long story short, the drug problem really depends on where you live.

got it, thanks for explaining to me senpai

we have a lot of regulations that make it impossible to start a business, we also have little to no way to save money to do such a thing due to massive taxation

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