What's a realistic way to deal with pic related?

What's a realistic way to deal with pic related?
All signs point to a slow and embarrassing (and costly) eventual unification with the rest of Ireland, but there's bound to be a better way.

Most English people (myself included until a few years ago) were perfectly content to pretend Northern Ireland didn't exist, and just poke fun at it anytime it came up in conversation. Now that the spotlight is on the province a little more, what's the are some good (and actually viable, KAT is a good meme but not realistic) approaches to ensure the province isn't a cultural and economic backwater forever?

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If the Irish SJW subhumans want the north they can fucking fight us for it. We’ll make Cromwell look like a little girl.

>We’ll make Cromwell look like a little girl.
You'll put a flag on a bonfire and get blocked you faggot, stop LARPing.

The honest answer is some sort of custom union status, best of both worlds. But the DUP being the political children they are have simply said "NO." They're the ones making it harder for May.

>Irish nationalists voted to remain part of a union with Ireland
>unionists voted to be dominated by this woman
lol

As long as there are orangemen who want to keep out of the Republic it would be dishonourable for us to abandon them. This is the problem. Nobody will ever be happy with the situation and ulstermen won’t want to relocate to the mainland.

Don't be a faggot, Ulstermen are pussy shits and we all see you as a fucking liability. Your efforts in the Troubles showed us exactly what you're worth, you babbling fucking baby. Shut up and vote DUP like a good little lapdog while we keep your abortion of a country afloat long enough for you to be outbread by the taigs so we can finally be rid of you.

There's starting to be circulation of "Orange History has a part in irish heritage" so it looks like people are trying to push the idea that you can be Irish British instead of British Irish, or something.
That being said, as I stated in the OP I don't think it's really avoidable at this point. There's already a Nationalist Majority in Stormont and while that will likely be undone soon when everyone mass-votes DUP to oust them, the whole "hold your nose and vote DUP" is what drives people into the Shinner's arms in the first place.

Thankfully SF's support wont last long after unification, so they can't paint Ireland red.

>ulstermen won’t want to relocate to the mainland.
they've threatened to do that when the inevitable happens. You'd probably get a few going to Scotland.

in our lifetimes there will never be a united ireland. not even saying that ironically. it'll simply never happen. you have to understand the mentality of the people here. we can keep the "troubles" going for over 30 years simple due to religious bants. you seriously think we're gonna allow ourselves to rejoin with those bunch of faggots in the south? not a chance.

But that's wrong, user.
>we can keep the troubles going for over 30 years
Without British support loyalist paramilitaries are capable of fat fuck all.
>we're gonna allow
>implying it'd be up to you
The point is that right now the Union is basically based upon the DUP limiting Sinn Feins influence, which they have utterly failed to do. More and more support is gathering for the "unification" cause, with a HUGE number of unionists (often catholic) saying they're "Irish but """economically british"""

Once the diehard unionist and republicans start dying out and the true boiling bad blood is gone, Loyalism will truly be pushed to the fringe and replaced with Liberal Unionism. Loyalism is already a fucking laughing stock. Liberal Unionism is the gateway to Republicanism/Nationalism in Ireland as the lack of competent Liberal or Left Wing policy within the Unionist parties often drives some people to vote for other parties.

These retards who say "UNITED IRELAND 2020" are obviously wrong, but to pretend that the retarded situation of Northern Ireland will stay forever is utter delusion. At this point it's more of a question of whether or not the south even want you.

Without the British state apparatus to essentially hold your hand through literally everything you do, your sad excuses for paramilitaries would be wiped out. You're a fool if you think Loyalists could sustain a 30 year war.

>Without British support loyalist paramilitaries are capable of fat fuck all.
hahahaha holy fuck you're an idiot.

>implying it'd be up to you
but it is. more and more support for the unification? in what universe are you seeing this because it's certainly not here. see you obviously don't understand us as a people. you think when all the paisleys or the adams are gone it'll be different. it won't be different.

you keep saying loyalist this and republicanism/nationalism that while obviously not seeming to comprehend that we move beyond those 25 years ago and are no just waiting for it all to kick off again. you seem to be some spotty little english fuckwit that's taken 2 classes in politics and thinks they know how things work here. you don't. clearly.

oh so the republicans didn't get american money or regular arm shipments from half the world? they just magically appeared out of thin air? shut up you clueless cunt.

What is your basis for a continued conflict? You realise that during the Troubles, at the height of Loyalist Paramilitary strength and cohesion, you accomplished literally shit all and we had to keep cleaning up after you? You didn't even fucking dent the IRA, had you done absolutely nothing the outcome of the Troubles wouldn't have changed whatsoever beyond the fact that people probably wouldn't hate us so much because you faggots are so utterly incompetent. You can't fight for fuck all, and if anything we'd probably be called in to pacify you useless fucks.

Clearly you're so far up your own ass that you think that because you're from Northern Ireland you are somehow better versed in it. Since you live there, you'll obviously have seen Loyalism become a dirty word and a point of humiliation, with the likes of William Frazer making an utter mockery of what was once considered the backbone of the union. Standard Unionists seem to vote for the DUP out of spite for Sinn Fein, as evidenced by constant dissatisfaction for the party and sweeping interviews with working class unionists who feel done over by the DUP.
The Nationalist majoirty in Stormont is not a solid one, as I said it's likely to be flooded out in the next NI election but it's still very notable. The "support for unification" is something people drift towards as voting patterns usually show that people who previously voted DUP and then moved to UUP/Alliance often lend votes to SDLP and even Sinn Fein. But sure, LARP away like nothing's going to change and that everything's fine. It looks like kicking back and paying no mind to "Irishness" having a huge resurgence in Northern Ireland has worked out well for you fags so far.

The Provisional IRA were if nothing else perceived as an actual threat. The Loyalist paramilitaries were seen as common thugs who botched almost every operation they were given. This is the opinion of the British Army, who revealed this in 2007.

1) I didn't say that, don't try and put words in my mouth.
2) I didn't claim republicans would start a 30 year war, you did.

You seem angry, sing the sash and wank into your fleg, calm your jets.

Why not release the Catholic-majority counties and keep the unionist ones?

Oh boy...

>What is your basis for a continued conflict?
shits and giggles. you wouldn't understand being a weak english cunt.

>we had to keep cleaning up after you
think you'll find it was we that had to keep cleaning up dead english soldiers, not the other way around.

> people probably wouldn't hate us so much
people hate you english because you are not good people, simple as that. no other reason needed.

>You can't fight for fuck all
personally speaking i'd fight you and your dad and his best friend right now 1v3 and fuck all 3 of you up without breaking sweat. we're different people, you'd lose. don't be mad, get better.

>loyalism become a dirty word and a point of humiliation
only on english tv, not with the people.

>LARP away like nothing's going to change and that everything's fine
everything is fine here, see we don't have much we just make do with what we have. we leave the whining up to soft boys like you and your dad.

>Irishness
irishness is fine, we've always had good craic with it. no idea what you're trying to say here? like we're afraid of irishness? everyone here can hold dual citizenship with a british and irish passport, nobody here is offended by it or worried about it. nobody has been for 25 years. you seem to think we live in the 1970s or something.

>This is the opinion of the British Army
ahhh it makes sense now. show me on the doll were the paramilitary badie touched your dead dad/brother/son. boo hoo. faggot.

>i didn't say that
you strongly implied that, got called out and now cry like a little bitch. fuck off weakling.

No I didn't, I implied the Irish state would wipe out loyalist paramilitaries, which they easily would. This is sheer cringe now, this post and have convinced me you are an actual moron. Can't be nice about it.

Sure about that pal? Looks to me like you did absolutely shit all.
The level of delusion demonstrated by you faggots is why most of us over here wouldn't give a rats ass if you """lost""" you. You have done absolutely nothing worthy of keeping your shitty statelet afloat, and in the Troubles you did absolutely nothing but paint British people as the bad guys.
I know you're trying to act like a big tough hardened ulsterman but in reality everyone with any semblence of competence sees you and your "people" as gormless faggots who need to be saved from themselves. Thank you for confirming my curiosity on whether cutting ties and selling you to the Republic like we tried to do in WW2 is a good idea, you babbling nigger.

Shouldn't you be off crying about the latest shinner outrage? Christ we should just firebomb the six counties and be done with it, I am utterly ashamed to "share" a nationality with you, you infinite faggot.

all you have to do is wait for the catholic majority.

>the irish state
awww diddums. look at you showing everyone just how much a clue you don't have. bless.

Nah, Catholics =/= Republicans.
It'll come from Irish Unity stopping being the scary foreign thing and being replaced with Unionism being the tired and obviously-not-working thing. NI hasn't had a government for over a year and while it's at the fault of Sinn Fein, the DUP are being seen as the ones holding things up for not agreeing to an Irish Language Act and Same Sex Marriage or something. Some people say "yeah DUP, don't roll over for SF!" but the narrative that an ILA is already supposed to be in place (both to match up with the rest of the UK, and because it was mentioned in the St Andrew's Agreement) is winning over. People are even saying "The Good Friday Agreement was a mistake/needs changed!" because they're too stubborn to admit the DUP are just in damage control.

But don't assume religion = political stance.

awww diddums, show me on the doll were daddy got shot. awww booo hooo.

although i will agree with you on
>Catholics =/= Republicans.
but you are more then likely a republican if you are a catholic.

I'm English but my family used to be 'involved' with NI politics. Let me tell you a few things...

1. The troubles were created in the 60s by the Americans , who put pressure on the British government to give up Ulster, as a means of bringing Ireland into Nato (you can't join if you have a border dispute with a current member).

2. They would have got away with it if it wasn't for the intransigence of Paisley and the loyalists. Even the moderate unionists were onside (ie. bribed and threatened).

3. The 'peace process' was brought into play when they realised that their plan wasn't going to work, and they needed people to stop romanticising terrorists in preparation for the 21st century 'muslim terror' scares.

4. The days of Britain giving up real estate are gone. Hong Kong was the last one. Nowadays we copy the French and hang on to every square inch. Ulster ain't going nowhere.

You should genuinely be embarrassed at your lack of any real argument. This is pathetic.

>call the English weak
>accept their protection, money and direct rule.
unionist intellectuals.

"Catholic Community" is the term I believe, I think they even put it on application forms for job. As in, being from the "Catholic Community" means like "not necessarily a catholic but irish/republican/up the ra" sort of thing.

This is both quite accurate and very fucking inaccurate. The Troubles was brought on by far more than "Muh american meddling", the Northern Irish laws fucked over catholics en masse and the terrible treatment of protesters came into play. The first several attacks in the buildup to the Troubles were by Loyalists.

It started off as "heightened tensions by Loyalists" which then became "The British were called in to help keep the peace" which then turned into "The IRA vs the British/Loyalists" which made it the Troubles. The Troubles is as much the fault of the Loyalist/Unionist people as it is of the IRA, considering the Provisional IRA didn't even exist and didn't have a campaign until months after Loyalists were beating, bombing and shooting people.

"Ulster ain't going nowhere" not all of Ulster is even in Northern Ireland. In fact, the northernmost part of Ulster is in the fucking Republic. Christ alive.

>WAAHHH HE POINTED OUT I'M CLUELESS WAAHHHHH
awww diddums.

you taigs called the army in. fuck off and eat something.

whats wrong with northern Ireland?

Is'nt there a famous quote about how the Ulsterman is the Eternal Outsider? Great Britain wish they could dump it and Ireland considers him a lost cause. Something along those lines. What a fucked up situation.

Yeah, and we took one look at them and decided to side with the Loyalists instead. I already showed you how that went But maybe if you say diddums again you'll manage to not be bullied to silence again.

>The Troubles was brought on by far more than "Muh american meddling"

Of course, but the catalyst was pressure from the Americans. The unionist establishment was preparing to cuck, and the Irish government was quietly backing the republicans, because they saw unification as inevitable due to American pressure.

>not all of Ulster is even in Northern Ireland. In fact, the northernmost part of Ulster is in the fucking Republic. Christ alive.

You think I don't know that? My great grandad was one of the major political figures in NI for many years. I used 'Ulster' as shorthand for NI, as you know very well.

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awww diddums, are your shitty non sequitur arguments and rhetoric bullshit not working this time? awww boo hoo. i tell ya what, maybe just fuck off and buy a clue about the subject at hand and then feel free to come back and debate again. because as it is you're a fucking joke. oh, and a english catholic. haha.

yea, stick to meme flags and pepe you weak little cunt. you stink of summer.

Sure, I guess we just disagree. I don't think most English see NI in the same way we see for example Scotland or the Falklands or Gibraltar. It's a nasty little side note of the territory, since the British people there are rarely if ever something you want to show off. There's very little sentimental value to keeping it, seeing as the foundations upon which it was created have already been undone.

You've said absolutely nothing whatsoever in the thread which isn't just rhetoric and your personal opinions, I guess someone with a Northern Irish education shouldn't be expected to know that doesn't really match up to facts and figures as well as recorded historical events but sure, LARP like Loyalists are worth a shit. I bet it'll work so well for you, as it has done so far.

You can stop it by turning it into a culture, and not a religious, war. A portion of Catholics will become staunchly Unionist if Ireland goes full heretic mode and Sinn Fein continues to morph itself into an avowedly socialist party. Sell Northern Ireland as the ONLY part of Ireland which is still Irish in morals and outlook, and you might convince Catholics to think again about republicanism.

A Catholic monarchy would also certainly help.

do you think the tough guy act is at all effective? Genuinely curious, its added nothing to anything you've said. Its actually just embarrassing. You've been proven wrong at every turn. I'm just waiting on the inevitable NO SURRENDAAAAAAAAR

awww diddums, you've embarrassed yourself in front of all these people so it's on to the ad hominem attacks already? awwww isn't that just so english of you, haha. bless.

show me once were what i've stated is wrong. i'll wait.

Just keep bumping the thread, I guess. It works better for me than you.

OK

>There's very little sentimental value to keeping it, seeing as the foundations upon which it was created have already been undone.

You have to understand that the 1960s and 70s were the days of post-colonialism, when the British elites were desperate to get rid of the empire and join Europe, with the Americans cheering them on. Now things are very different. The Falklands was won, the cold war is over and brexit is happening (eventually). The mood in Whitehall is 'keep hold of all our physical assets while we still have them'.

I guarantee NI will still be British in 100 years, even with a majority catholic population.

so nothing then, thanks for proving my point, weakling. jesus christ.....

nah i'm off out for a cheeky kebab for dinner, you take care now y'hear.

The pr*ds must go home, they don't belong here.

That's an interesting take. I do disagree, but I get your thinking. What do you reckon Unionist politics would have to undergo to make such a situation anything other than a continuation of the bitter, awkward way things are now?

>I'm right you're wrong lalalalalala

spoken like a true prod "diddums".

Maybe the reason we have so many problems in NI is because most of us, as shown in this thread, are incapable of discussing anything without degrading to 'r wee country fenian' and whatever the opposite is.

>muh based orange order

Ulster says yes to Paki child rape gangs!

Unify it with the rest of Ireland... under the British government.

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I want to post something as i've spent a lot of time in NI. But I can't be fucking bothered. In a lot of ways i'd rather it just leave but I don't think I can allow it.

>a basis for success is how many people your side killed

pretty much this.
every argument just goes to shit

>What do you reckon Unionist politics would have to undergo to make such a situation anything other than a continuation of the bitter, awkward way things are now?

They don't have to do anything, it's decided for them. The British elites despise the unionists and nationalists equally. They protected the IRA in the 70s, then helped loyalists to kill them in the 90s. The old parties were co-opted for the 'peace process', they got the nobel prize then lost all their voters to the DUP and Sinn Fein. Now they're slowly being co-opted. The 'celtic tiger' boom was created to push the process along. If or when the elites think it's necessary, there'll be an 'ulster boom', NI will continue to be more and more secular/degeneate, and the main parties will become more co-opted.

No, it's more to do with how many civilians they killed against how many IRA men they killed. The Loyalist contribution to the Troubles was an even larger "terror campaign" than the Provos, as they killed almost exclusively civilians while the Provo butchering of innocents was alongside their ruthless attacks on state security officials and armed forces/police. The point I was making was that Loyalist paramilitaries are utterly and entirely incapable of doing really anything other than butcher innocents without our help, and even with our help they're able to do little more than just that.

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The adults are talking Pedro, go away

You should learn to distinguish between those who kill to destroy the state, and those who kill (however mistakenly) to defend the state.

>Ulster must always be part of Great Pakistan

oh great Sultan Sadiq Khan wishes to expand his Calihate?

>defend the state.
The implication here being that Loyalist killings were reactionary, which they demonstrably weren't. Every violent 'first' in the troubles, they were responsible for.

The paki rape gangs were exposed and dealt with pretty quickly compared to the magdalen laundry/christian brothers/paedo priests

It was no mistake. The Loyalist Attacks were simple and deliberate attacks on Catholic establishments. I am perfectly capable of understanding that Provo scum set out to destroy all things British, and killed the men who defend my country, but that doesn't undo the horrific acts committed by the Loyalist groups. Their own terror campaign and their refusal to accept that they are equally as bad if not worse than the Provos when it comes to murdering those simply trying to survive is the reason I hold them in such utter contempt. That being said, the point still stands that even with our help they are utterly useless.

Not that guy, or even defending that retard, but Northern Ireland education is actually pretty good if youre not a protestant.

The troubles began with the IRA campaigns of the 50s and the gun running of Irish politicians in the 60s. The loyalists were responding to those things, among others.

>What's a realistic way to deal with pic related?

There is nothing to deal with.

>Irish unification

Inevitable. We will buy the bottom half when we run out of room on the mainland.

That was sort of the joke I was making.

The IRA border campaign had very little to do with the start of the Troubles. Loyalist pogroms were a thing long before the Border Campaign. Incidents like the Halfpenny murders for example. The point I'm making is that Loyalism was always violent, so the assertion they were "defencive" is wrong. That's not to say then violence can be justified, just that there was nothing defencive about them. It was a continuation of sectarian bloodlust.

no it started because Catholics were discriminated against

>Catholics were discriminated against

The re-branding of the Republican terror campaigns in Northern Ireland as a civil rights movement is revisionism. It was irregular warfare that failed. This is what a country resorts to when they do not have an army that can win but they still want the territory.

The Republic and the Irish identity will cease to exist. There is nowhere to live on this island so we need to move into the weather shield. The Republic is just greenbelt with some water in the way.

If you want to talk 'pogroms' let's talk about the ethnic cleansing of protestants in Ireland after their independence. The rape and murder campaigns against protestant farmers. Do you think that's irrelevant to the loyalist actions later?

>Ulster prods are base-

CUT DOWN THE CHRISTMAS TREE BECAUSE IT OFFENDS MUSLIMS NOW!

oh your a shitposter then
very nice

Well once you start playing that game it becomes "who fucked over who first" further and further and further back. If we put too much on "well this past thing had a role in causing this thing to happen" then I'm afraid in the end we're still the baddies.

What are you gonna use, a butterknife?
Oh wait...

>we're still the baddies

Are you a republican or a self-loathing cuck or what? Do you also think white kids deserve rape by paki gangs because of the sins of colonialism? Grow some balls and learn the truth - human history is the story of tribe vs tribe, fighting and killing and conquering. For every English/protestant atrocity there's an Irish/catholic atrocity, stretching back in time. There are no 'baddies' or 'goodies', only our side and their side. So whose side are you on? Neutrality is not an option.

Anyone from the South tell me why it would be interested in unification?
I've been to NI, even by British standards it's a drab and dreary shithole, dirt poor, white but fugly, stinky and stupid - really nigger-tier.
Wtf would anyone want that piece of somalia in europe?

We couldn't give a fuck what happens you beady-eyed cunts. Ireland for the Irish, UK for Islam.

Not really, I meant only that if you're going to say "Well they only fucked over the irish because the irish did x" then someone can easily then say "well the Irish only did x because back in the day the british did y" and so on, at which point we quickly become the "bad guy" of the argument because of how hard we fucked them. I'm not saying we shouldn't have invaded ireland, I'm not saying we deserve to be criticised for doing so. I'm saying that the sentiment of Ireland dicking over protestants in the past being used as primary justification for shitty things Loyalists did is an argument which holds little weight on our favour.

I agree, there are no baddies and goodies of history, I guess I didn't explain myself well. I just meant that in reference to the Border Campaign/the cleansing of rural protestants in the republic, using either of those as an "excuse" or even as a "major reason" why Loyalists committed such terrible acts is a bit retarded.

>implying that Ireland isn't also getting BLACKED

One solution would be to reolcated all protestant N.Irish to Eng/Sco/Wal and return all Irish citizens and catholic N.Irish back to balance out the population movements.

Then peace forever in the British Isles.

I thought that was the latest cartel video from the thumbnail.

I don't deny that, its a very dark and shameful part of Irish history. But they stopped, Loyalist pogroms didn't and were aided by the state.

White Irish 84.5% (2011 census)
White Northern Irish 98.21% (2011 census)

you free-state cunts need to step up your intiminadation game

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Ulster is an Irish province and its impractical holding onto it.As a Brit id rather just have our natural island border and stop payingfor the economic sinkhole NI as a united ireland is inevitable anyway. There will never be a hard border again so the only other real option is giving it back.

Hahahaha


shouldn't be too hard then. soft prick nation

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