How much value do you put into color design?

How much value do you put into color design?

I pretty much only read manga, so none.

This is a stupid question.

>Genre: Color Explosion

A fair amount, although you didn't get anything there by the director who's best at it

the sky's always so blindingly white

Colour overabundance is irrtating.

Keeping colours relatively grey allows a higher dynamic range for colour.

If everything is cookie coated, its just puke.

Value is more important than Colour.

>fa/tg/uy thinks he has any aesthetic sense

>Animufag thinking he knows visual communication and theory

>posts shitty plastic image that looks like something out of a Marvel film to argue about aesthetics
Oh dear

It's an animation so colour design is pretty important.
Lately I watched Flip Flappers and Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita and I enjoyed it a lot. For some anime it just suits to be so colourful.

>Can't argue with objectivity
>I'll just say it's shit!

You posted something subjective, so I did too.

Maybe you should stop posting images that look like garbage. It's not even like all MTG art looks as bad as what you posted. Nils Hamm was used significantly more during Innistrad for a reason

I'm manga only so none

6 of 10 points

Like, shit son, look at what you could have posted if you wanted to be edgy and grey

Most of OP's pick follow that rule by keeping the colors in the pastel range so it looks organic.
(besides #4)

Anyway, it really depends on what the story and mood of the show call for

Enough to know that one of those screenshots is truly terrible

>something subjective
Ok, so "Dynamic range" and "Value" are entirely subjective, alright.

Good to know that light entering a retina is entirely a subjective thing.

You're proving nothing, the image I used still proved my point sound, it uses a vast plethora of dynamic range and created a better feeling of accent with the red saturation of the blood

Your picture is just as bad as the overabundant amount of colour in anime pictures.

It's not about being grey, it's about being grey with hints of colour to show off a large dynamic range of contrast.

Learn to fucking read once in a while, holy shit.

>everyone thinks my examples look like shit
>could I be out of touch?
>no, it's everyone else who's wrong!
lol k

>I have no actual argument so I'll just strawman his thoughts because it makes me look like I know what I'm talking about
Good to know you agree with my stance on Dynamic range.

>Value is more important than Colour.
No, OP is asking if Colour contributes to Value. Instead, you use this mysterious, undefined 'value' substance to conclude some shitty argument with reddit-spacing.

What's there to strawman? Your pompous nature is pretty evident

Where do you think you are?

Technically you might be right about your dynamic bullshit but it doesn't mean anything to someone experiencing it. Take MtG, I prefer the older art which had a more folk art style compared to the more CG style of modern expansions. It might be worse when you apply your autistic measurements to it, but it evokes an atmosphere and charm which has been lost.

Look, your argument comes down to "everything should have no colour, so if I add any colour, it will stand out more and make a greater impression!" That may be colour-design, but it's at youtube art tutorial-level.

No they're not, OP is asking "how much does one value in colour design"

The Value I'm referring to is light and dark
An objective truth in reality.

Surely practitioners of exagerration would understand the conventions of proper lighting before breaking the rules.

Anime is an exagerration of life. When it starts defying life, it becomes unconnectable abstraction.
Color Theory proves that grey is a neutral area and colour should be used sparingly to create a better emotional effect than oversaturated colours in every direction.

Anything sounds like youtube level shit when it put it as simply as that. It's good to know you understand that much.

The only think you're practically talking about is form and drawing style, which are irrelevant, Colour is an abstract emotional thing that gives things a connection with mood. Colour variation is powerful in a piece, I agree with that, but the dynamic range between colour is something thats hardly put into practice, and OP's image is a shit example of colour design. My post was a retaliation to that.

This is a good use of colour variation but it overwhelmingly looks grey with no accents or interest.

This is a pukefest of colours and looks like a fucking mess.

I'll admit, I didn't think you were this autistic

>this autistic
You were autistic enough to reply yet you couldn't prove your own fucking point.

>An objective truth in reality.
>he thinks objective truth exists
>he thinks reality exists

Handing out (you)'s is an act of kindness, I'm basically Mother Teresa

>OP's image is a shit example of colour design
why?

Wait, reality doesnt exist?

Obviously because it uses more than one color. How can you see two colors at once? Checkmate weeaboos

Vibrant colors are good for shocking sense into atheists but not much else. High contrast black & white is the truth and the light.

Consumer-level televisions and monitors with a typical color gamut miss quite a bit of the colors that a human eye can see, so maybe we're not even seeing what the artists originally intended.

moovi wen

This is all a simulation

i like how naruto reinforces storytelling throught natural elements and color?

It got me through two full seasons of Gatchaman Crowds.

-Very little contrast in value
-Hyper usage of colour than clever usage
-Everything very one-tone in value
-Shadows are mostly the same hue, little variation

Bottom right image is interesting and the middle right image is at least a bit more tasteful but everything else is a visual mess, lacks clarity and has poor composition.

It's bad for storytelling.

Most of those are really meh tier in terms of shot composition and photography

>colometry: earthly tones with clear, blue highlights
naruto is often, but not always, seen wearing clothes with early colors

sasuke is quite the opposite, choosing clothing from the other side of the spectrum, mostly blue

naruto fell into a river in episode 4

sasuke wears blue

naruto fell into the water, but what i think was really meant by that is that he likes sasuke

naruto = earth
sasuke = water

>folding shading into color balance
nigga you dumb

Overloading your senses in order to convey certain emotions is an legitimate way of storytelling so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about

it looks better than your favorite anime

>The Value I'm referring to is light and dark
>An objective truth in reality.

If a series has good color design then I take note, and it adds to the experience in it's own way. But it could never truly make a series for me.
Bad color design can break a series for me though.

>Yet another copy of what other directors had already done in the past
It actually doesn't

>accuses something of being a copy of what other directors had already done in the past
>posts a shinbo directed anime
o im laffin

>this is what butthurt haters actually believe

>That reddit tier response
>Implying old Shinbo anime wasn't original and avant-garde in terms of shot composition and color management

>moovi wen

Delicious Schwi anticipated for October 5th (US release date).

Cossette no shouzou is edgy trash. Doesn't matter how cool it looked. And Shinbo has always been Ikuhara-lite.

Again, a couple of nice shot and then just your average Kyoani style of direction

I need it so bad. Why does Ishizuka direct so little, and why is it always adaptations of garbage?

sorry but naruto's visual language is much deeper than anything kyoani has produced

sorry that you're letting your hate for naruto blind you from seeing the genius behind the directing and storyboarding

>/tg/nigger jacking himself off on other boards
Truly never seen before

Why do I ever unhide cloverfags. I auto-filter these groups for a reason, and I never get joy out of seeing the shit they spew when I make the mistake of taking a peek.

Shinbo is more about feeling and expression while Ikuhara is more about meaning and experience, they are both from the same school so there's no "lite"

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>using the Sup Forums version of downvoting
go on, click that "view" button. i know you're dying to.

Oh my dear child

A lot. The first thing that draws my eye to anything is usually the palette. I like bright happy colours, pastels too.

>DUDE CHITANDA GOT OREKI ALL WRAPPED UP IN HER WORLD DO YOU GUYS GET IT CHECK OUT THIS SYMBOLISM GUYS
this shit is for toddlers!

>Average sad shot times 15

Will they ever surpass Hyouka's direction? At least there will be Takemoto's episodes to look forward to in Violet Evergarden.

I normally don't give much weight to the aesthetic of an anime, I mostly care about characters and story.
But visuals can easily turn a great anime into a masterpiece (like Perfect Blue) or a bad anime into shit (Haibane Renmei)

>this shit is for toddlers!
>posts naruto

>a bad anime into shit (Haibane Renmei)

>a bad anime into shit (Haibane Renmei)

The equivalent to this thread would be nasal congestionfags and feverfags fighting it out to try to define who is a sickness symptom.

The equivalent to this post would be a huge faggot typing retarded bullshit on Sup Forums

>a bad anime into shit (Haibane Renmei)

Hey bro just want you to know you're right about Haibane Renmei

And he's samefagging too. Jesus Christ we've got a champion ladies and gentlemen.

I don't understand where religion came in

Apart from the subpar visuals, care to explain what makes Haibane Renmei a "shit" anime?

keeping the background shitty is part of the dynamic range of colour? The more i look at it the more i hate it...

low quality

I also agree that haibane renmei is subpar

Can you elaborate then?

Nice try, but no cigar.

Just gonna bump this thread until you guys decide to elaborate with sound arguments instead of just throwing buzzwords around. I've got all night fucko(s).

Why should I bother?

Because I'm actually curious to see if you have something of actual value to say about the show.

But since your hatred for something like Haibane Renmei most probably stems from a complete misunderstanding of the anime, I highly doubt that. Prove me wrong.

lol

Why should I give a damn about the curiosity of a guy who likes Haibane Renmei?

Do it for yourself then, you gotta grow up at some point and leave the comfort of your vapid echo chamber.

Oh please

kik

Not trying to pick up a fight despite my crude demeanor. I'm legitimately curious about your negative opinion about Haibane Renmei and would like you to elaborate a tiny bit more than just saying "it's shit".

I'm not forcing you to, but when you make bold statements like this one, you gotta be prepared for some of your shit to be flinged back at you.

the fuck, I just went to jack off and once I come back there's a fucking shitstorm

And how are you going to falsely accuse me of same fagging when these 3 posts:
are literally the exact same?

I'd like to see you elaborate with sound arguments instead of just throwing buzzwords and assuming every person who disagrees with you is the same person

As for my reasoning, it was boring as fuck. I don't have any problems with things like Lain where it's just quiet and things happen really slowly, in fact most of my favorite anime are pretty slow-paced. But Haibane put me to sleep at least twice.
Also, the characters were almost all 2 or 1 dimensional with nothing interesting about them. I honestly didn't give a shit when Shyuu (was that her name?) died because there was almost no character. He didn't really do much and she would just blend into the background most of the time. The only interesting thing about him pre-mortem was that she was small and genki.
The visuals were god-awful. The brown and grey color palette didn't even have any interesting shades like Nekojiru-sou or Grave of the fireflies (both of which were also mostly brown and grey [and green for gotf] but they were still beautiful). I was especially disappointed because the cover poster was fucking gorgeous.
Lastly, I didn't give a fuck about neither Shyuu nor Remi's (reki? idk) problems. They weren't interesting or unique, nor were they executed in any interesting way.
Last (and first) time I saw it was when I was like 25 though so I might not remember everything, all I remember was that I was bored out of my fucking mind.

Also I got the message of coming of age and coping with grief and but I can easily get those same messages from Utena and Digimon Tamers (just throwing the first ones that have those themes from the top of my head) while still retaining interest.

>look back at my own timestamps
>realize I spent half an hour writing about an anime I didn't like to people I don't know on a website I don't like
What is wrong with me?

Oh thank god I was worried you were forcing me!

>it was boring as fuck

Can't really say much here, I found Haibane Renmei to be strangely compelling myself. But I can perfectly understand why some people would find it to be boring.

>the characters were almost all 2 or 1 dimensional with nothing interesting about them

The characters are pretty plain because they are the result of their submissive environment, they are given enough depth for the role they have within the narrative and the subtle way of characterizing their relationship kept me interested throughout.

>I honestly didn't give a shit when Shyuu (was that her name?) died because there was almost no character

It's Kuu, and I agree that she lacked screen time. Her whole character revolves being a light catalyst of self-acceptance and a minor version of what the two MCs will later on go through. Her character is nourished through implied interactions, symbolism and a lot about her character can be deduced through the Art (episode 7 in particular).

>The visuals were god-awful

I agree that the execution is quite clumsy in that department, the animation quality in particular. But they are still effective at conveying the certain drab mood and tone the anime wants you to get accustomed to. I don't think Grave of the Fireflies or Nekojiru-sou are a good comparison. Something like Kino no Tabi or House of Small cubes would be more fitting.

>Lastly, I didn't give a fuck about neither Shyuu nor Remi's (reki? idk) problems.

That's the biggest criticism people levy against the series. Depending on how you click with the themes being presented, the anime can range from a complete waste of time to one of the most fulfilling experiences in the medium.

>They weren't interesting or unique

The story itself is pretty basic, I shall give it to you. But behind its deceptively simple surface is an internally complex labyrinth coated with strong and insightful empathetic themes.

>nor were they executed in any interesting way.

That's where I'm 1/2

It's important of course, but it doesn't have to be super colorful to be good. As long as something has a consistent and nice looking palette, it's all good.

gonna have to disagree with you. First of all you have to realize that the anime's main themes are self-awareness, self-realization, self-truth and self-acceptance. The anime puts all its efforts into projecting those onto the viewer by creating a nostalgic haze inside which obvious questions are raised but not answered thanks to its melancholic atmosphere, particular tone, emotive approach, "show don't tell" situations" and woven into the narrative literary devices.

The main appeal of the anime is to work on a complete different level compared to other works dealing with those themes, drawing a direct parallel between the characters' struggles and the viewers' while proposing an internal resolution.

>Also I got the message of coming of age and coping with grief

In Haibane's case it's a bit reductive. I already mentioned the core themes the anime will try to project onto the viewer, but in a more general sense, Haibane is an anime about coping with the unknowable, finding peace in it. The solution Haibane Renmei offers is self-actualization through kindness towards those in need and bringing forgiveness to those who can't help themselves, in other words, Haibane offers a pretty in-depth exploration of altruism and what it means to be "good" to others but also to yourself in the process.

Thanks for your honest answer and I hope my response was helpful to you in any way. 2/2

Wow, that's a pretty serious misinterpretation.

Nothing was "interpreted". The show makes it rather clear what its themes are and how it wants to explore them.