How do you rationalize Atheism? I mean...

How do you rationalize Atheism? I mean, how do you convince yourself that every single person who says he spoke with a god/demon is lying, or is making up entire creation stories including specific details, or create geneaologies of pagan gods, just from drugs. Has this ever been actually recorded to happen?
How do atheists explain biblical prophets?

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the last person i heard of who claimed hearing god's voice was a chinese man who killed and ate another man's face while riding a bus

You can’t differentiate between real and hallucinated?

who are you to say what he heard wasn't real?

maybe God is discontent.

If you see a documentary and a sci fi movie, Doesn’t matter if it’s both movies, one is true and the other not

How do you rationalize accepting another mans faith?
And further more not seeking the word of the creator out yourself?
I’ll wait faggot

Atheism is for normal fags who don't know about the jews. It becomes obvious that Christianity is the answer once you're woke on the JQ

If you trust in religion as much as you do in Scientific speculations you see what I mean

Distilled to basic truth, why do you believe humanity has such little concept of reality that they believe in entire societies that are not real. All of humanity? That shows you have deep mistrust of people - antisocial attitude from your environment you were raised in.

Great non-argument

I don’t even believe all the stories to be true but Jesus Christ is the way

Is it really? How much trust do you have to put into speculations that go against human nature and companionship itself? None.

Which means I believe a true basis is in them, Abraham probably existed, wandered around and things like that, but then some descriptions of Sheol being underwater are weird and don’t sound like reality

Imagine knowing what the jews believe and then settling for Atheism.

What do you mean? Obviously atheism discards itself but what’s with what the Jews believe?

news flash people lie to increase their money and influence

Except money for was abundant at the kings of Israel’s palaces, and many prophets were dirtpoor.

You are saying entire humanity is FOUNDED on, total falsehood. That is nut job conspiracy wack. Like believing entire civilization is controlled by one secret lodge. Reality isn’t this fucking simple.

Are you talking synagogue of Satan?

Answer me nigger

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>How do atheists explain biblical prophets?
>voices in the head
>schizophrenia

>who are you to say what he heard wasn't real?
Because voices in the head is not a good system for ascertaining what is & isn't true, the scientific method is.

Athiest here. I grew up a Christian and went to church and bible school and all that shit. Also grew up in the south and my mom taught me some general manners.Eventually I stopped believing in god then at some point started believing that god is a metaphor. I have gone through a few different perceptions of what "god" is but at 35 years old I have decided the following.

It doesn't matter if god is real or not. When we pray we reinforce an identity. This is valuable for atheists just as much as religious folks. The act of projecting ones concerns "to something that can hear you" subconsciously realizes those things. In regards to a collective consciousness, this is how mutuality is achieved.There is probably nuerological data to support this as there is a specific/unique signal that occurs when you look someone in the eye as well. Though I've never read a brain imaging study on prayer... I would bet money the brain acts differently praying than simply reading words of a prayer. This is all important for reinforcing subconscious behavior and becoming a better "Human" through behavioral conditioning

This is what I talked about earlier.
If you trust in atheistic Scientific speculations about essential questions, you get a soulless ideology that is purely hedonistic. It’s like Jewish lies but atheist version. You are even branded unscientific instead of Nazi.

When you associate with atheists you start to think in terms of neuroscience and believe in evolution, life coming by itself, all the speculations which are materialistic and nothing more than speculations. It is not real science at this point.

Reading works by Jewish communists will make your worldview skewed, same with atheistic entertainment.

If you keep magnifying things in a microscope, eventually you get to the level of quantum physics. Quantum physicists tend to eventually believe in god. It is a simple truth that the human brain is ill equipped to process certain ideas. Infinity for instance, you can kinda imagine it through metaphor but you can never truly understand it all at once (if you even understand it at all). The nature of "God" is another one of these things. Religions are each an attempt at describing it.

There will be questions that the scientific method cannot answer because humans exist for a tiny spec of time in the scheme of things.

no pics. no proof

Atheism saves man from responsibility and morality.

He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.

That is the nature of reality my friend, the bigger truths you want to find, the longer you have to look
Which is arguably a reason why this plane is a form of hell

beautiful post, very poetic

Oh you see relying on Scientific speculations like I said mirrors a kind of hedonism, a deep rooted fight against intuition and spirit. I feel god, I don’t need a microscope for that

>How do you rationalize Atheism?
It's impossible.
Belief is irrational.
Non-belief is rational.
Only the irrational can be rationalized.
If your IQ is less than 70, none of this will make any sense to you.

n..n.nigger what?

It’s convenient that the only creature on this planet that is intelligent enough to build a society claims to speak with something that could just as easily have been created.

>Atheism saves man from responsibility and morality.
The opposite is true. Non-belief means the atheist has no handy devils or demons to blame for his own bad behavior. It means he alone is responsible for creating and following his own morals. You must not have thought this through.

Really? How do you create a god? Thank you.

“create” as in make up in your head dingodick

Or the atheist just doesn’t give a fuck, instead of “blaming himself”.
You ubermench.

>I feel god, I don’t need a microscope for that
I can understand that sentiment, the thing that leads most people to atheism is the social control aspect of organized religion. It is kind of obvious that over the years it has served as an economic power structure as well as behavioral control for masses and it still does.

I do think establishing a moral identity and reinforcing it subconsciously is important. I disagree with the dehumanizing aspects of identity that a couple religions reinforce (Islam and Judaism). However pure atheists that had shit parents and zeros other sources for a moral compass make for a shit society too.

>Quantum physicists tend to eventually believe in god
You're making that up. Physicists are statistically far less religious than the general population.

>Or the atheist just doesn’t give a fuck
You must be referring to the distorted caricatures of atheists that theists invariably fabricate.

No, if you don’t literally feel god yourself you have bad faith. Ancient people got closer to their demonic gods in some way I don’t remember rn, modern people get closer to the divine through prayer and you can feel his presence if you’re pious.

bigquestionsonline.com/2012/07/10/does-quantum-physics-make-easier-believe-god/

here, look I am not saying it leads scientists to become Christians or shit like that but the article explains it better. Quantum physicists are more receptive to the idea, put it that way

No, hitter and Stalin were atheists. They see some mass starvation or some dying Jew, they don’t give a fuck.

Because they drank the materialist kool-aid down to the last drop. They're so deluded they think their very consciousness is an illusion created by complex chemical reactions and that by definition they do not have free will. All this for an (((intellectual))) status.

It's sad, really.

It’s probably because this subject is so chaotic, you find god in strange ways. Order is so worldly you know.

Oh , youve solved the hard problem of consciousness? Do go on...

It’s like people who worship demons, because those are more likely to give you something. Recently read some user prayed to Saturn and found drugs and money the next day, now he does it regularly. Worldly gain man.

So you’re saying, we must scientifically (((prove))) you exist? Dude you bought so hard into the atheist shit you probably eat fedoras for breakfast lol

This is called self-induced hallucination. Not something you want to fuck with, as it can lead to schizophrenia

>yfw your belief system is so deeply embedded in your thought processes you can no longer tell you have one
I reject your reductionist materialism as you haven't conclusively proven it. Thus the burden of proof is not on me, but on you.

>oy vey! Goy, don't mess with meditation and spiritual practices
>go get hammered and fuck a girl - or a guy, lol, yolo - in the ass instead
No, Shlomo. No.

Some of these people have to be wrong, because they contradict each other.
Why are the ones you agree with more right than the others?

IMO misguided atheism is one thing, and directly appealing to demonic entities is another. It's like hitting your thumb with a hammer vs shooting yourself in the leg.

Fuck off finn, I’ve never had sex in my life. I’ve felt the effects of “visions” firsthand, they are not comfy and they are very, very long-term and lead to awful anxiety and intrusive thoughts

Keep calling me a Jew though and do whatever the fuck you want with your brain. Just don’t come crying to me when you start having panic attacks every night and see incredibly vivid, gory imagery every time you close your eyes.
I fucking warned you

Meditation can be extremely harmful. Pray instead. Try out the “Islamic” prayer because it is not from the desert in fact it’s from Persia. Some Christians have adopted it also from persia. It is very calming and brings you closer to god.

what haha do you have cats?

Oh no, don’t take atheism lightly. Your faith manifests itself in your entire life, and your lack of faith bleeds into everything.

I never said you should bargain with demons. I've had a number of experiences myself, but trying to deny the benefits of harnessing the positive effects of spirituality is downright stupid.

>do whatever the fuck you want with your brain. Just don’t come crying to me when you start having panic attacks every night and see incredibly vivid, gory imagery every time you close your eyes.
I have bad news for you, pal. It's not your brain you're fucking with it, it's your astral body and your soul. Sounds like you have invited malevolent entities into your presence.

>Meditation can be extremely harmful.
Not sure what you mean by that.

Trust me I often recognize atheists when I talk to them.

Faith and logic do not mix fucking moron. You cannot prove God, you cannot prove he does not exist. You have faith, or not. And sorry, but your prophets and bible are fairy tales. Grow up. If there is a supreme being, i do not think He cares about you eating pork or working on sundays. Hint: if you are part of a cult, you are a subhuman. A drone. A worthless imitator with not an once of spirituality.
Theist here. You shame us all.

It can induce trauma to your psyche
This especially happens with westerners who meditate extensively, has happened with me too. Stopped digging into anything eastern after that.

Of course not, not TRUE atheism and nihilism.

But let's face it, +80% of atheists are meme atheists. I think JBP put it well when he said
>what you say you believe is irrelevant, what matters is how you act; your actions reflect your true beliefs regardless what you say

Only a materialist would reject every single information from ancient scripture, especially Abrahamic.

What do you mean by meme atheist? Atheism produces a big void, they are mostly either cucks or far right

Abramic shit is materialistic crap incarnated. Like i said. Zero spirituality. What would you like ? Eternal life ? Slutty virgins ? Celestial gibs ? All material. All shit.

I'm not convinced it's the atheism you recognize in them though. Atheist pseudo-beliefs are often a by-product of higher western (((education))).

I find extensive meditation to be on the par with seances so I don't really disagree. Going overboard is bad, no surprises there.

Dude no, material is what is tangible with the sense here and now, that what you describe is although I renounce it, not materialism.
But I shouldn’t have said materialist, I just mean you bought into shill atheistic propaganda. You can’t convince a reasonable person to discard 100% of religious scripture because it can’t have happened exactly this way or that way.

Jesus never existed, no prophet either. Maybe some cult leaders in the bronze age. No miracles, God's laws are physics, and nobody escape them. Never. His universe, His laws. No man in the sky, no virgin mary. You are fucking morons. You insult faith with your memes. The supreme being, if He exists, is not a bad hollywood movie.

No, I just meditated 30 mins a day.
Stay away from demonic shit bro. The Persian namaz is good for body and mind, meditation has the same effect but adding danger.

You say you're an atheist but you still behave as though the Christian presuppositions were still valid, e.g. you say humans do not have free will yet you treat people as though they did. You say human is no different from an animal yet all of your behavior is indistinguishable from those who think otherwise.

Like I quoted JBP, your words mean fuck all, it's your actions that do the talking.

Basically atheism for people who don’t want to be atheist

No way dude. I’m not atheist. And humans are higher than animals in my morality.

To crave longevity, sex and other things is the very definition of abrahamic materialism. To worship out of fear of hell, and to get heavenly gibs, is not spirituality. Sorry. What is right? What is good? What improved my mind and soul ? What is the universe ? Sorry, a kike on a cross or an arab pedo are not the answer.

Basically " i am triggered, i want to answer but i can just do a weak strawman".

Oh, now I get it ok.
I don’t care man atheism and materialism is toxic to mind and spirit

Yeah, I'm not into that Left Hand Path shit. I pray and read. Occultism makes for an interesting reading though. The positive and the negative ideologies come from the same sources. No surprises there I guess, two sides of the same coin.

Dude wtf are you a literal 33 degree mason
Debate ended when you said Jesus is not real lmao

So wait, you're a pantheist?

Yeah. It ended there. Between idolatry and spirituality. A alien sending his son, who is also himself, to die for our sins ( which ones ? And if he atone us for our crimes without us making efforts, how is it positive ?). You are on the same lvl as niggers currently. Muh magical mythical figure. I pray, i get gibs.
Hint: that is not spirituality.

How weird that you say that. Im literally the most opposed to any left hand path things. Look up the Christian namaz prayer, unrelated to left hand path. Where did you get this idea of me?

The point is, claiming that you're enlightened by your own intellect is a far cry from true rejection of God. Meme atheism is just that, meme'ing.

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It seems you're not very good at reading comprehension.
>Yeah, I'm not into that Left Hand Path shit.
was a direct response to
>Stay away from demonic shit bro

>Im literally the most opposed to any left hand path things.
I know, hence the praying and advice against demonic shit.

Sure, I'll look it up.

Some of the stuff people on drugs is extremely similar to one another with only minor differences in semantics therfore there must be something true/original/constant/specific to these drug induced hallucinations

Good argument, it must respond somehow to the soul

By the way once you discard evolution you open yourself up to new ideas.
>why do we react to drugs this way?
>why do we have emotions?
>why is the male body stronger?
Etc much much more things to think about

Give me one reason to believe in Christianity that doesn't require already believing in it.

How do you explain why religions disagree if they're not all just pulled out of some guy's ass? The similarities are due to their shared ancestry (e.g. Christianity and Islam from Judaism) plus the fact that in the marketplace of competing religions, the winners were the ones that satisfied people's feels the best.

We don't have accurate historical records from the time when biblical prophets lived, but look at more modern religious figures like Joseph Smith or L. Ron Hubbard and it's clear the same kind of personality has been a part of human society since prehistorical times. Would recommend specifically "No Man Knows My History" by Fawn Brodie as a good biography of Joseph Smith.

tl:dr some people make up stories other people like to hear, and there is a demand for stories about how Jesus loves you and there is an afterlife, etc.

There is no person like Christ, nor will there ever be.

why is this memeflag beeing so preachy and triggered, if you dont believe you dont believe, simple as that

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My dude, find something to do

what does that have to do with anything

Well many creation myths are similar, and the flood story is literally everywhere you look.
Second: No, modern society is fundamentally different to ancient society. We don’t have prophets anymore who are genuine, morals have been falling apart since the reformation, as luther himself said one city he liberated was like sodom. But I don’t want to blame Luther, society has strayed further from the truth decade after decade, the West has no religious base anymore since like hundred years now.

Why do we react to drugs this way ?
Because drugs are chosen and refined to make you act this way.
Why do we have emotions ?
They are useful survival tools. Love your own, get angry at your enemies, fear them, so you try to avoid danger, etc.
Why is the male body stronger ?
Pure evolution result. Women are vulnerable when pregnant, and at our scale, giant angry females like for spiders cannot exist. Therefore they need guards, the males. The stronger the males, the safer the female. The safer the female, the more likely reproduction happen. Litteral basics of evolution theory. Still not a single link with spirituality.

You falsely attribute feelings to religious history, i can’t disprove that but it’s false. Objective truth has better chances than objective falsehood. Christ and Dionysus? Obviously Christ wins.

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WTF im not atheist anymore, kike on stick begone!

Wins what ? Fairy tale popularity contest ?