Several instances in Evangelion of Shinji resting on a woman's lap or in her chest

>several instances in Evangelion of Shinji resting on a woman's lap or in her chest
Does Anno have mommy issues?

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What does that imply?

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I would be depressed too if I was that short

Not in the slightest.
Although as far as fetishes go, that one strikes me as being perfectly normal and expected.
What about all the scenes of metamorphosis that are clearly designed to look sexy. It's hard to point the accusing finger on anno's mom issues, when they share the spotlight with mutation, mummification, unbirth, and things that don't even have their own word.

>Not in the slightest
What makes you say that?
>normal and expected
How so?
You could easily dismiss the sexual imagery when GNR initiates instrumentality as symbolism but it's pretty obvious Shinji has mom issues.

>he doesn't want to rest on the softest parts of a woman
for what purpose?

The entire mecha subgenre is rife with mothercon writing. I blame Tomino.

Also this

I never said I didn't want to, though.

Nagai started the mecha genre and he's full of mommy issues. See Shutendoji, Violence Jack, God Mazinger, Mist Story, etc. His mom tried to sabotage his career when he was a high school kid trying to impress his hero Shotaro Ishinomori

I didn't know he worked on Sugar Sugar Rune.

I think his desire for (motherly) comfort and closeness comes from all the things he never got from his family. When I watched the documentary where he teaches kids how to make a movie, his parents speak about him as if he is not even in the same room. The first thing his father has to say about his oscar nominee son is that he was never good at sport. All throughout the conversation, their tone is the tone of people describing a harmless idiot.
His parents gave me the impression that they were written by King. Given that, I'm not surprised about his mom issues or the amount of maternal imagery in Eva.

I read that as "sugar run run run". Maybe eva gave me brain damage.

It's almost as if Shinji has issues with his parents, or something.

To be fair, it's imposible for a parent to love a son like Anno. A parent want a normal child, not a hideous freak like Anno. He became successful but he's still a hideous freak. Anno's parents probably envy the Tanakas's son who work as a dentist

something something religious symbolism.

huh?

What makes you think that? I'm no expert but when you treat a kid like an idiot, you almost always get an idiot retroactively. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurd

dunno

That's not true, they're just shitty parents.

>The entire show is filled with Freudian symbolism
>Most of the soundtrack is named after Freudian concepts
>Shinji's plug is inserted into a mech that is actually his mum
>Shinji has a weird thing going on with a girl who is a clone of his mum
>Every character has issues with their parents
Nah I think its just you OP.

See it from his parents's perspective

>Dad want to play baseball
>Anno want to stay home and watch Ultraman
>Mom want grandkids
>Teen Anno can't have a real girlfriend
>Parents make many sacrifices to send their son to college
>Anno drop out college because he likes cartoons too much

His parents are fucking lucky they got a son who is creative and hard-working, instead of a mouth-fawning, berserking, melancholic, vengeful, horny idiot like Siegfried.

S-sumanai

wow

>Rei will never give you a lap pillow

>Does Anno have mommy issues?
no, perhaps one of the ginax staff.

>Brynhild's bower is surrounded by flames and she promises herself only to the man daring enough to go through them.
>she refuses to speak to anyone and withdraws.
>Brynhild accuses Sigurd of taking liberties with her.
Really makes you think. I wonder if the pube man copied deliberately, or just drew from basic archetypes.

>ginax staff
You mean like five people

How do you think the conversations in gainax played out? Say, when anno came to the storyboard artist and started to explain how the first kiss should look like?

Anno being somewhat autistic he probably just explained everything precisely and in detail

Or maybe, just maybe, it's about the character's issues, since his mother died when he was like 2 and he has difficult relationship with his father, you fucking armchair psychiatrist?

You seem very mad, tell us what happened with mommy

I need a better mental image of this scene. Like, does he get all passionate about it and turn the explanation into a performance, or does he use the same tone of voice he'd use to explain a lightbulb to a toddler.

Is anno like a japanese richard stallman?
If so, that would be pretty cool

No, he doesn't write software
What are you talking about

So what about you, user? Do you get any of your kinks from Eva?

Anno has all the issues

I'm sure there's one he doesn't have, but it's probably something like an irrational fear of jaguars or something like that.

Yes, my /gfd/ fetish came from Eva and FLCL

Haruko was my first waifu at the ripe age of 10

I understand you completely user

>Does Anno have mommy issues?
No, he probably has daddy issues though

Think about it, every dad in the entire show is either absent from their child's life or an asshole

Haruko is the older girl you like as a kid but doesn't give a fuck about you
I can't waifu her.

That's entirely fair, but that has appeal to it as well.
What's wrong with me

Don't worry user I get it.

Good news is you can see more of her next year.

Eva is oedipal from start to end. You know what oedipal is?

Honestly forgot FLCL 2 and 3 were even happening until you brought it up. Interesting how Haruko's the only one drawn in the original style besides the new dickhead.

every man has mommy issues on varying degrees

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Mommy issues are the very foundation of psychoanalysis (in a metaphysical way though).

yeah....

Freud was a hack.

Do you think they're happy? As much as a character continue to exist after the credits.

It'd feel completely different though. It was a mystic female figure guiding the booming libido taking shape in the form of unbridled energy of seeing the world, doing stuff, and getting hurt. Now it's probably more nostalgia of lost adolescence and anxiety of the uncertain future, a mindset that is just too tired to catch up with this kind of women. Though I'd probably learn something new by imagining her perspective this time.

One of very few works that use freudian psychology well.

That list does not include Freud.

Absolutely not. There's no happy endings here.

It seems to me that Shinji got what he wanted.
I don't know whether Asuka did or not. It was only during instrumentality that Shinji finally came to understand/know her. Maybe he now cares about her for reasons besides sex and maternal comfort, but it's hard to tell based on the short finale scene.

"I need you" is probably Asuka's sentiment. Because she chose to exit instrumentality next to him. It doesn't make sense that Shinji would think that, then she would coincidentally come down next to him.

Good post, I feel exactly the same.
I rewatched FLCL a year ago and it just gave me strong nostalgia.

Also, I found another Anno quote I'm going to add to this image.
I think it sheds some light on Asuka and Shinji's interactions in the final scene.

>Anno: Precisely. That’s Dr. Freud’s theory of a good mother and a bad mother at the oral stage of development, though. In short, a mother is someone who simultaneously protects you unconditionally and restrains you—which you could call the bad part. Additionally, it’s not the case that a mother is in a good mood every day. For example, when you cried, if she was in a good mood, she might have said something like, “Be a good child, a good child; you mustn’t cry,” but if she were irritable and in a bad mood, she might even shout, isn’t that right? From a child’s perspective, you can’t see the two as the same person. Therefore both a good mother and a bad mother exist, and when you recognize that they are contained within a single personality, you’re able to see for the first time what’s known as an "other." I intended to do that. I was able to release all of the ideas I had.

It seems like when Shinji cries and Asuka strokes his face then calls him disgusting it's a case of that "other" being shown.
The good mother and the bad mother

>people still taking this bait seriously

The idea that someone becomes everything to you is soul crushing. That frame and that title can scare me more than any number of aliens an cannibal robots.

No, dude that posts it just samefags and pretends he's having mature conversations. Literally. It's his MO every time he posts it.

I don't think "I need you" necessarily means "I need only you" though

How does this shed light? What Anno described is more recognized as the Jungian archetype of the Great Mother and the Terrible Mother. I can hardly see how Asuka symbolizes anything that's even close to a mother. You can derive something about otherness but you'll need more than that.

From the image I posted, can't you see how Shinji is treating Asuka as a mother? Especially the central radio quote.

Luckily in real life such relationships are rare. A healthy relationship requires both closeness and intimacy, but there also needs to be healthy separation. For example, I love my wife, and love to share with her, eg my time, our bed, actually just now showing her Evangelion for the first time recently. But we still have our own interests and goals that are our own, but we still support each in realizing those goals.

Basically, if the relationship requires one of the participants to exist solely for the other, it is a very negative relationship, and doomed to fail in some shape or form.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that you probably needn't worry, and Asuka's line of "If I can't have all of you, then I don't want any of you" alone means that any such relationship is doomed to utter failure.

I think you're missing the fact that in the show, Asuka is the main female most single disconnected from the idea of 'mother' to Shinji.

I think every girl Shinji has affection for is a mother to him.
That's one of his afflictions.

Asuka acts nothing like a mother the entire series.

No idea. I only felt it with one person, in the end I was little more than a living emotional shield to her.
There was no separation whatsoever.

> "If I can't have all of you, then I don't want any of you"

She says this directly after bitterly talking about the times he masturbated to her, despite not understanding her.
I think what she's saying in this line is really: "I want all of you, not just your libido."
She's complaining that Shinji doesn't make an attempt to understand and care for her as a person. And it's true, he really didn't.

Of course, it's impossible for him to not understand her after they've 'become one' in instrumentality. And I don't think Asuka would've gone to him post-instrumentality if she didn't think he had changed for the better.
Or maybe he didn't change, and she's just needs him so badly that she doesn't care. Either way, both are interesting.

Sounds like hell. I'd rather have werewolfism, or creepy voices.

For the main series, yes. Bit the final scene is all things a child would do with his mother. Crying into her chest, being comforted by a gentle caress.

It's great writing. Would I still get the shivers from the real thing? Absolutely.

Crying into her chest was not at all with her consent, and its not like the scene is portrayed as Shinji seeking comfort from her.
'Comforted by a gentle caress' being a motherly action is a stretch. Touching someones face is hardly unique to mothers.

Would a girl your in a love/hate relationship with finding you jerked off to her be better or worse than if she saw your porn folder?

Healthy separation is a very Freudian idea as more recent development in psychoanalysis having challenged this (healthy relationship doesn't necessarily require separation, cf. topics on fusion in lesbianism and its critique on the Freudian assumptions). But anyway, the ending was quite literally that the protagonists chose to reform their ego boundaries as the basis of their subjectivity in interacting with the world. That was the therapeutic message Anno intended.

I don't think it's a serious issue for her to know he masturbated to her. Sexual attraction is part of a romantic relationship. She even exhibited herself sexually to him quite a bit, ie. the bikini scene so you can't say she never invited it.
She was upset because he was ONLY interested in her sexually, he never comforted her or spoke about their problems or whatnot.

The only way a relationship won't require separation is if both members of the relationship are literally the same person.
As long as there are differences, having the exact same experiences together 24/7 will mean someone is living unfulfilled.

This in conjunction with the 'kimochi warui' card gives the full picture of what kimochi warui means.

>She was upset because he was ONLY interested in her sexually, he never comforted her or spoke about their problems or whatnot.

I can't say I blame him, her body was the only thing right with her.

I take it the relationship didn't last?

>Are you real?
He asks himself while choking what could be a delusion caused by possible years of loneliness
>Yes, he is a physical touch, please stop throttling me.

Not seeing the mother connect here.

You can't say that there's no semblance of a kind person in her. Most of the interactions you saw were harsh because it's a drama show and they wanted to show strife. But I'm sure they had many pleasant interactions.

Remember when Asuka finds him playing cello, claps and praises his skill even while he self-deprecates?
Remember when Asuka suggests they go to a ramen bar 'cause Misato is broke, even though she wanted to go to a high class place? And she even seems happy that Rei was able to get a bowl of vegan ramen.

I think if you remove her from the shit circumstances she's been embroiled in her whole life she's a naturally good person.

>if you remove her from the shit circumstances she's been embroiled in her whole life she's a naturally good person.
Not the guy you're responding to, but isn't that the case for everyone? Circumstances make people shitty, almost nobody is born as an inherently bad person.

This is getting off topic but the basic idea out there is that relationship without separation being unhealthy is Freudian pathologization instead of clinical reality.

Lasted for about a year. After that, she tried doing the juno gasai phone thing for a few months, and after that it was over.

He really was strangling her hard, it goes beyond checking by touch.
It almost seems like he wanted her to retaliate, to hit him or something (so he could test that others can hurt him again,) so when she stroked his face instead it really fucked him up.

That's probably because the sexual attraction is the only way she ever let him get close. She spends the entire time pushing him away, and wonders why he won't get close.

Asuka was a deconstruction of the Tsundere, showing exactly why it wouldn't work in reality because it is inherently a fucked up relationship.

I was always amazed at how much time they give each-other. Two people who never really had a family or a lover, and who are just figuring out life.

>Asuka was a deconstruction of the Tsundere
Well no. Asuka can be adequately explained with attachment theory.

The kiss scene was blatant as fuck, even Shinji had to have known there was more to it than childish experimentation. He didn't react at all.

The problem is they're both so afraid of rejection. Asuka doesn't want to reveal her feelings for people, because the last time she cared about someone, her mother, she was rejected as utterly as a person can be rejected.
So she can never show affection plainly. She has to smokescreen it with plausibly deniable excuses like, "Oh, I was just testing what kissing is like." All to guard against rejection. And as far as she knows she actually got rejected during the kiss, it's why she runs off and sulks.

Shinji has similar problems, all his life he wanted badly to be loved and praised by his father, but was rejected in favor of his work.

The storyboards for this scene are just some random woman, it doesn't mean anything you shipper.

Yes, it's all circumstance.
And given that, don't you feel bad for her? It's also clear that she's got plenty of potential to become a kinder person, so it's not as if you have to principally stay away from her to guard yourself.

It's just confusing for me when people plainly talk about Asuka being a bad person, as if she's intrinsically rotten in her soul. She's a victim of her life events, and when you understand that her behavior isn't even really bad any more. Once you can see the wounds driving her actions they're not nasty anymore.

I think divorce courts may disagree with you. While it may be impossible to quantify as clinical, because with people doing people things, there are too many variables to properly account for.

I, and many other successful married people, can tell you from experience that separation is necessary because like
said, people need time to follow their interests that don't align with their partners', or else they will unsatisfied, so long as those interests don't cause the other to feel neglected or resentful (i.e., no spending time apart with whores).

Shinji was put in very similar circumstances and does a much better job of being a good person.

Yeah, completely. I don't hate Asuka at all.
If we assume that circumstances can excuse a person's behavior, then can Gendo be forgiven though? Because as far as we know, he has none of the psychological wounds the kids carry.

He might be an aesthetically better person, he won't yell at people or whatever, but he's still selfish and childish.