Gun Control Bill next week

Senator Thomas Massie shows the new gun control bill being proposed. It’ll greatly affect veterans as well as do nothing to fix any problems.

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Unsurprisingly pic related and Chumer are co-sponsoring the bill.

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TL;DR They're gonna try and pass fix NICS in the senate without reciprocity, thereby killing hr38 and enacting stricter controls while also using the VA to disarm citizens without due process same as Obama did with social security.

good thing I wouldn't walk into a VA even if they advertised cheap hookers and free blow.

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I thought turtle man shitcanned this for banking reform.

Wasn't she supposed to retire if a republican ever got elected to the oval office again? Come on Dianne, or are you a fucking liar?

Weren't the shitlibs supposed to move to Canada if Trump won?
These people don't have any integrity. That's why they're liberals.

He shot down the new AWB. This is a different thing.

her own party isn't backing her for re-election lol

Fuck. It really does never end.

Ghost Guns is the only person running against her, and his campaigning efforts thus far are fucking laughable compared to hers.

So they’re going to keep spamming the bill until it passes then?

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Pretty much, the Dem's just spam the same gun control bills ad nausem until they pass. Their theory is they only have to win once while the pro-2A side has to win every time.

Because she isn't leftist enough. People think it is a good thing she is losing support. The truth is she is going to be replaced by somebody far far worse. You have no idea, the ride is just getting started.

To these radical leftists anybody right of Stalin is a right wing extremist.

the good news is if ghost guns guy wins CA loses a lot of power because of seniority and Feinstein is relatively smart and strategic. Ghost guns guy cant even string together coherent sentences. He seems to lack a basic grasp of the English language as well as any sapient though. He also has the worst hair of any politician I have ever seen.

Did reality actually break?
The old witch is literally a living meme at this point.

When Trump harnessed meme magic to win the presidency, he unknowingly allowed memes to cross over into the physical realm. We now live in the post memepocalypse.

>The truth is she is going to be replaced by somebody far far worse.
Worse in policy, but leagues better as far as usable power. The thing that makes Fienstien so dangerous is her seniority. Once you've been there as long as she has, you've basically got first pick to join - or head - any new comity. Similarly, any proposals put forward from a decades-held seat of a senator are much more likely to see the floor than most others. While her replacement may be more radical, they won't amount to much more than a faceless vote.

Someone post the vid of feinsten grimacing like a gremlin and alex jones and nuge the stooge telling their audience that trump is playing the dems by doing what they want. Pump and dump of Sig stock?

Memes were crossing over into the physical realm before Trump even announced his candidacy.

The hookers would be dead and the blow would, well, blow anyway/

We stand on shoulders of giants.

>problems
what problems?

You think you can just whip up meme magic on the spot? No, it takes a while, you need to build up a charge, stoke the fire until it reaches a raging inferno, as it were. Trump had been planning his ascension for years, the election was just the moment he reached super-criticality.

jews, every time

>These people don't have any integrity. That's why they're liberals.

Lets not pretend like there is a single politician higher than city level gov who did not get that way by being a lying, opportunistic sack of shit. Both parties are the same.

Ummmm SWEETIE

The real divide is authoritarianism vs libertarianism. Whether you think ancapistan is possible or not you should support someone who is in favor of moving towards the least amount of authoritarianism as possible and the most amount of freedom AS POSSIBLE at any one time.

I can't believe these dumb fucks are launching the most intense anti-2A campaign since the '94 AWB in their most important midterm election of my lifetime. Democrats bled over a thousand state and federal seats since Obama was inaugurated, and minority parties generally dominate at the polls after a presidential election. Republicans were complacent, all Democrats had to do was sit on their hands and let the media keep their base rabid. It was working, they were making gains. The conditions were ripe for them to take an enormous number of those thousand seats back.

Then suddenly gun control. And not the "sensible, reasonable restrictions" gun control, but "lets ban any post 1884 firearm technology, also fuck the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 5th Amendment lol" gun control. Trump clearly exploited this, throwing his own base under the bus so they no longer felt secure. Yeah, sure, the dolts that don't get it are pissed at Trump, but Trump isn't up for election. Republicans Trump needs to push his agenda and keep "peach45" at bay are. And Republican voters, now freaked out, will make damn sure their guy gets in to block any gun control bill from crossing Trump's desk; it also denies Democrats the talking point. And all Trump has to do to fix it is send a tweet after the midterms saying, "Sorry my dudes, needed to get you off your ass to vote, also, gun manufacturers looked like they needed some help lol."

It's fascinating to watch them keep falling for it. He extends the hand in a "businessman negotiation" ruse, coaxes them into admitting their most horrific desires, then turns into Obama and offers them even more then they're asking for which they giddily accept. His base panics, Democrat voters watching are left placated, and in the end Democrats end up with no law and fewer seats.

Jews do this shit all the time. In fact Jews have lore to why they do it.

A itching left palm means money to be paid out, while an itching right palm is money coming in.

Feinstien is going to get paid.

>Then suddenly gun control. And not the "sensible, reasonable restrictions" gun control, but "lets ban any post 1884 firearm technology, also fuck the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 5th Amendment lol" gun control.
Well i believe that the plan is for this too fail because it's so outrageous. But i still dont trust trump.. he wrote in his book that he wanted some gun control measures and he's fucking meeting with EA and AAA videogame publishers about violence in video games so that means more loot boxes less gun play. But also i could see trump supporting raising the age to 21 and going full retard on mental health checks because he's a fascist and doesnt have any empathy for people that may be wrongfully accused by a centralized system. Imagine the DOL of guns but with state appointed psychologists that can label you crazy for anything. They even have a personality disorder called defiant disorder and the diagnosis is anyone who doesnt submit to authority! Convenient?

Also there is no such thing as sensible gun control at the federal level... only individual communities shoudl be allowed to ban guns inside that community or property owners should be able to search you at the door and stuff like that. Federall this is bullshit and just an excuse to monopolize power. Better security practices ofc would stop shootings all together but they cant let this happen because they want to disarm the public like europe. In sweden i know someone that did year because he punched someone mugging a group of girls and he hit his head on the pavement and died. ALso they teach the girls there that if they feel threatened to just let the man rape you. This is their plan for americans.

Also do not let them fool you. Violence is at historical lows. 20k murders in the 1990s vs 14k now. It will be 10k in a year but probably will spike if there is any significant gun control.

Murders are down by 25 percent since 1990. The mainstream media though says "mass shootings" are on the rise yet they count anything involving more than two deaths as a mass shootings and they glorify these large killings by repeating them in the news cycle 24/7 which SURELY is the most inspiring reason that killers try to get those kill counts and become infamous.

And unsurprisingly it won't even be put up for debate in the senate, Mitch already said so.

Which he will also shitcan.

So, final tally, did Trump betray us or not?

What would you define as a mass shooting?

More than 5?

both

I think his plan to have a failed vote on an awb will work, but he really does not give a fuck about people who are wrongly accused of having mental health conditions and i could see the age being raised to 21, although the mental health thing is much more likely, and if you ever got put on anti depressants as a teenager or something then you are fucked. PTSD soldiers will probably be screwed at some level to.

Ha, that's a funny image...wait a second, is it implying hating Muslims and leftists is bad?

I guess, but it's an arbitrary comparison. What really matters is the motive of the shooter. The actual number does not matter so much. 10 people are sometimes killed in gang shootings but those are whole different kind of crime. We are talking about people who deliberately want to send a message to the public and the mainstream media helps them do that by having a 24/7 media circus around the tragedy. If we really didnt want these to happen it would be in our interest to limit the glorification and to shut up about it on tv. I'm not for censorship but it's in all our self interests and if the only info about a shooting was on some conspiracy website or just a boring written article then people would be wayyyyyy less likely to commit them. But it's not in the interest of big government types because they want these shootings to happen frequently and for them to get as much exposure as possible UNTIL they get their way and have their europe 2.0 situation.. then they will shut the fuck up about terrorism, and the motives of the terrorists, like they do in europe.

Can we make it a bannable offense to post this cunts face in the OP.

I really don't want to see it every time I pop into a thread.

>is it implying hating Muslims and leftists is bad
it's implying authoritarianism is bad

Chinese say the same thing with eye twitches.

Trey Gowdy!

Isn’t he the same guy who openly admits that he has family that are illegal immigrants, and he illegally prevents their deportation?
What a sack of shit.

>new gun control bill
>nothing to fix any problems
No shit?

Liberals have no standards either. The lawsuit for age discrimination will have them using mental gymnastics on how it's different than a Christian baker not wanting to make a wedding cake for two fairies who want the most obscene thing possible (dildos and rainbow flags) and that it's "common sense".

Fuck I hate liberals with a passion.

>illegal immigrants are bad people
Have you no heart? Amnesty is unironically the only ethical way to treat the ones already here. And you can think of it like a test.. the peeps that get into this country are the ones that can run jump and swim and would be great for our olympic team or special forces.

Shut the fuck up!

>Illegal immigrants
>ethical
Fuck off. These people committed a crime in coming here and should be deported, pay fines/do jail time, and go to the back of the line for the purposes of legal immigration/naturalization. They jumped in line ahead of people that are following the rules by violating federal law, their unethical behavior shouldn't be rewarded.

The VA already adds people to NICS that have mental impairments.

The social security one is only for people who have mental impairments, specifically that are on disability and have been deemed incapable of managing their own affairs.

And there is due process in both cases; both in adding them and removing them if they want to fight it.

he said he was for gun control.. you havent been paying attention

I know you're right user,but unless you have any experience with illegals you can say nothing I've know Cambodian Laotian and Mexican immigrants they're good people. They don't take life for granted in the US like niggers or white trash. They come to work and support thier families now whats wrong with that if they're not hurting anybody in the process.

Is this b8?

I think it's both too. He wants an age raise to 21 and better back grounds check, which I'm for. But if stronger, stupid bills pass, he's just as likely to sign them in. Trump has lived his whole life surrounded by body guards carrying concealed weapons in New York, a place notorious for not allowing people to conceal carry, but private security firms are above that it seems.

Get out to vote, call or email your governors.

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>and better back grounds check, which I'm for.

You realize that "better" will never be "good enough" right? They will keep pushing until anyone can anonymously file a report about you that lets the cops come take your shit, or will make you go see an anti-gun shrink that thinks wanting a gun is a sign of mental illness as part of the background check.

Then just have a boating accident. They can't monitor you forever and once they stop, you can go fishing again or move to another state.

>lol bro bullshit laws are ok just don't follow them lol

Kill yourself.

>they're good people
I have plenty of experience with them, for instance, I almost died when an illegal who was driving drunk slammed into my car and ran. I don't care how nice they are, they are breaking the law, therefore, they are criminals and should be treated as such. Just because somebody is nice or came from somewhere shitty doesn't mean they get a free pass.

>they're not hurting anybody in the process
Yeah, they are. They bring crime along with them when they pay the cartels to smuggle them across the boarder and they drain social services that they don't pay into. I grew up in the Houston area, these people are a plague on the hospitals and schools, draining them dry and lowering the bar for everyone else.

After you, I need to make sure my dog is fed first.

>These people committed a crime in coming here
yeah cause if you were born in a shithole you wouldnt do anything possible to get out and protect your family

You can fuck right off you stupid bootlicker.. it's okay to have borders and try to keep them out physically but once they are already here it's not ethical to deport them because honestly any one of us would do the same thing if we were born in their shoes.

And like i said. If someone is skilled enough to get through border security they can probably be very useful doing something productive.

>if you're hungry and break into my house and steal food, you should get to keep it

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>I almost died when an illegal who was driving drunk slammed into my car and ran
>he ran
>you weren't able to identify him
NICE SPECULATION DUDE. MOST ILLEGALS TRY TO LAY LOW AS FUCK AND NOT GET IN TROUBLE.

T. busboy and dishwasher for 5 years

>implying all the jew memes are not based in reality

DO YOU WANT TO BE CALIFORNIA!? BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO BE CALIFORNIA!

OH YEAH LETS FUCKING PUNISH THE PERSON WHO WAS LITERALLY FUCKING STARVING. LIKE YOU WOULDNT STEAL SOMETHING IF YOU HADNT EATEN IN DAYS. COME ON DUDE.

And breaking into a person's private property is APPLES TO ORANGES compared to crossing a fucking abstract state border. PUHHHHHH LEASE.

Except they come here and undermine the law, take away our rights and ruin the country. It's been a slow process, cause the US of A has been trying to keep them out, but it's gotten to be too much bullshit. I saw the Flordia Gun Regulation forum yesterday live, and all the Pro Gun Control people, were spics, nogs and one gay guy. Those mother fuckers are trying to change the country, instead of adapting to it without have sacrificed for it. I want them to Get The Fuck Out.

congrats, you actually had me going for a minute there.

>T. busboy and dishwasher for 5 years
cool story bro.

They caught the guy, that's how I found out he was an illegal. I wouldn't have known who hit me otherwise, I don't remember anything about the accident; Just waking up in the hospital and being told what happened.

It's a fucking fact of human nature just like drugs and GUNS. People want to go where all the good shit is. You cant stop them all. Every authoritarian empire that forgot the virtue of limited government has FALLEN, for a reason.

You can put up a wall or do whatever but once someone establishes themselves in this country it's not ethical to boot them out. You would do the same fucking thing if you were them. Dont be an naive authoritarian psycho that thinks just adding more rules and authority can change human nature.

And btw i shoudl specify. I think there should be likea time limit. Like a few months where if theyre caught they get deported but if they "establish" themselves it's simply not ethical, especially if they are working a job some snowflake like you would want 40 bucks an hour for.

I've literally never seen someone work hard than an illegal immigrant and they did for half of what i was getting paid. Much respect honestly.

Hi guys it’s me pewdiepie

>If someone is skilled enough to sit in the back of a truck while a coyote pays off a corrupt ICE agent they can probably be very useful doing something productive

Do you really take the term "border jumper" that literally, you fucking retard?

Okay well fuck dude. Idk what to tell you except rich white dudes drive drunk as well. Literally every illegal immigrant that i have known kept their head down and tried to avoid breaking the law or raising suspicion anyway they could. Seriously those guys would work 6 days a week then sleep one day. I never saw them at the local bar or anything and I know they just layed low.

Your one experience doesnt mean every illegal is some reckless idiot that drives around drunk all the time.

Jesus Christ dude. Fuck your weak ethics. Are they a threat to me and mine? Yes. Are they a threat to conservative, small government ideas? Yes. They vote for more freebies, more liberals, and more taxes (because they get paid). Don't give me that "they pay taxes but don't get anything in return, they just want a better life! Open borders fuck the law!!1!" bullshit. If they weren't lazy sacks of shit who just wanted a free livelihood, they'd do something about their fucked up Homeland. I don't want my homeland flooded by cowards who don't give a fuck about their home country and it's problems. Why the fuck would they then magically care about their host country? If you're too retarded to see that it's anything other than looking for a free ride, then fuck off and fuck you. Weak ass twerp, fuck your slave ethics.

I mad.

And your anecdotes don't mean crime isn't significantly higher across the board in areas with significant illegal alien presence.

Bro that's why I am in support of stronger borders. BUT NOT STRONGER IMMIGRATION POLICE. And like i said. They should get like 3 months where if their caught right away they can be sent back.

MUH AUTHORITARIAN ETHICS. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. EVERY OVERLY AUTHORITARIAN EMPIRE HAS FALLEN TRYING TO STOP PEOPLE DOING WHAT IS IN THEIR OWN NATURE.

THE CRIME IS DONE MOSTLY BY MEXICANS THAT ARE ALREADY CITIZENS AND IN GANGS OR RELATED TO DRUG SMUGGLING. HMMM MAYBE IF THERE WASN'T A RETARDED DRUG WAR THAT INCENTIVIZED SPREADING ADDICTION AND GETTING NEW CUSTOMERS THERE **WOULD NOT** BE SO MUCH CRIME AROUND DRUG TRAFFICKING AND CRIMINAL PROFIT AS WELL AS NEW CASES OF DRUG ADDICTION!

JESUS CHRIST.. SWEETIE! You fell for the Sup Forums meme too hard.

I'm a fan of massive fines for being an illegal, they forfeiting any assets they have on them and do some sort of labor to cover the rest, then are booted back across the boarder. We massively disincentivize illegal immigration and get our infrastructure fixed; Two birds, one stone.

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>We massively disincentivize illegal immigration
BAHHABHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH (BREATHS IN) BAHAHAHAHHAHAH (WEW) AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

YOU THINK YOU CAN DISINCENTIVIZE HUMAN NATURE?!?!??!?! HOW HAS THE DRUG WAR GONE!?!?!? HOW WILL GUN CONTROL GO!??!?!? HOW HAS TRYING TO GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS GONE?!?!?!

DUDE YOU CANNOT USE NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT TO PREVENT PEOPLE DOING THINGS WHICH THEY DESPERATELY NEED!

FUCKING PSYCHO

>Every authoritarian blah blah blah blah

Not an argument, retard. You didn't refute my points and your argument is a rudimentary and poorly understood historical anecdote. You're entire argument is literally "BUT MUH FEELINGS GUYS"

How about this: fuck foreigners, immigrants, communists, 2018 libertarians, socialists, greed obsessed kikes, boomers, "they work harder than me" types, illegal immigrants apologists, sophists, relativists, the list goes on. Oh yeah, and fuck you too, cuck.

Whats it like being an impotent toad?

>Whats it like being an impotent toad?
What's it like being a larping psycho who advocates policies that just make the world suck more and WILL NEVER REALISTICALLY HAPPEN AHHAHAHAA.

KEEP DREAMING YOU AUTHORITARIAN PSYCHO FAGGOT. THERE IS PROBABLY A FEW "ILLEGALS" HIDING OUT ON YOUR BLOCK RIGHT NOW AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT.

Literally just about to say this. Why is anybody still getting a serialized, registered gun today that isn't a collectible or an NFA full auto/ +50cal gun? You don't have a drill, barrel wrench, vice grip, hole punch kit, file, chisel, and a hammer? ARs are the most modular gun on the market and they even make 80% AK receivers and Glocks and 1911 frames as well.

The only thing I'm in the dark about is what part, if any, of a Remington 700 and 870 is serialized and registered?

This. "Mass shootings" as they are known in the media are really spree shootings. Spree shooters and gang bangers who happen to kill 5 people at a time have entirely different motivations so policy that attacks one will do nothing to the other.

If there's one thing that really fucking bothers me it's the fact there is so much disinformation being spewed out there in this debate. But then I remember that people who want to push gun control as an agenda won't change their mind due to facts anyways.

you're confusing "ethical" with "law", they are not the same thing for the most part.

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>THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT.
Implying I don't call ICE on illegals or business that employ them. I've gotten several deported and some nice fines handed down since I started.

Do you have any arguments or are you just gonna spew mental illness everywhere?

>Not realistically happen
>Dat fear dripping off every letter you type

Ohhh boy, have you looked around? The end of your laughable ideology ruling us is close at hand. The backlash, or "whitelash" if you want to call it that, is coming.

Remember, you and your ilk pushed us this far, we just wanted secure borders and less welfare for lawbreakers. But noooo, your dumbass feelings and guilt complex had to dig into my wallet and my fucking country.

>SEVERAL

OH WOWWWWW!!! THAT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE user!!!

ABOUT AS MUCH DIFFERENCE AS THE 3000 DRUG ADDICTS DOOT TOOT KILLED (out of millions)!!!
AHAHHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHHA (BREATHS IN) HAHAHAAH

BLAHAHAHHAHA

Nice try faggo. All you do is get the lazy and less stealthy ones strengthening the hurd. Then the smarter ones spread their tricks and knowledge of how to get around your shitty authoritarianism to others and there is a massive gain in sophistication among the "mice" in this situation. It's what happened to drug dealers and now their distribution networks are highly sophisticated and profits even higher.

You are destined to be chasing mice your whole life when you could accept them into your community and have cheap labor and hard workers.

>Not realistically happen
Ancapistan has better probability of happening than your faggot ethno state or whatever. And like i said. I AM FOR SECURE BORDERS AND WALLS AND SUCH THINGS. JUST NOT DEPORTATION. ITS NOT ETHICAL, AND LITERALLY ANY OF US WOULD DO THE SAME THING IF WE WERE THEM. We can debate how much of a grace period they should have, like if they get caught within 3 months they have to go back. But once a person has "established" themselves here, like with a job or even a family.. THEN THEY ARE JUST AS AMERICAN AS YOU OR I!!!! SOME SHITTY PIECE OF PAPER OR LACK THEREOF DOES NOT CHANGE THE GEARS OF DESTINY AND SOMEHOW MAKE THEM LESSER PEOPLE!!!!!


And all authoritarian empires fall at some point. Look at the remaining ones in the world.. they are hanging on by threads. You would have to genocide about 150 million people minimum just in the united states. A more logical thing that could happen is that the elites start ww3 just so they can come out of their bunkers. But you will be a fried corpse or glass at that point or suffocating in your shitty ass fallout shelter.

>All you do is get the lazy and less stealthy ones strengthening the hurd.
oh no what will i do without my GNU corelibs

w-was that a h-hurd joke?

Not just 2 deaths. A mass shooting is a shooting involving 4 or more people. That's why nearly every single drive by in the ghetto counts as a mass shooting.

What's a Hurd, user?

Did she just sweep the crowd?

>MOST ILLEGALS TRY TO LAY LOW AS FUCK AND NOT GET IN TROUBLE.
Like leaving the scene of a car crash to avoid being id'd as an illegal alien.

Is it victims or deaths specifically..? It's ironic because i was dating a girl and her house got drive-byed because her roommate cheated on this guy. None of the chicks died but it's nuts too because i was friends with the dude. It was really scary because he didn't seem creepy at all but he had been to prison and been indoctrinated into gang lifestyle. But i think the solution to drive bys and shootings in general is to have better security practices and not to glorify the incidents.

Bigger hardware like bombs and stuff should be available at the militia level and we should have a network of trust to try and hedge against weapons of mass destruction.. because soon any asshole in their garage will be able to make something fucking horrendous.. i dont want to go into detail and put any ideas out but theoretically there are some crazy fucking things just one person can accomplish with just like 10k worth of equipment.

We need some kind of network though of trust. kind of like linux repos and updates: Where we dont all have to know eachother but we know someone that knows someone that knows someone that can vouch for any one person. And we also have to get better at tolerating our differences and respecting eachother's eccentricities.. without having that kind of respect we are doomed.

t.Sweden

Actually, I get to see any of them that want the gibs (hint: it's pretty much all of them), I've worked my way into a non-profit that caters to illegals and helping them with citizenship. I befriend them, find out all I can, then sic ICE on them. It works like a charm. I got into a position to do it at the beginning of the year and I've already gotten 5 ICE'd and am working on 3 more. It's going to be interesting to see how long I can get away with it before I get caught.

Bro you should just put up a giant wall and have a lot of security measures to get in. Then anyone who passes the test can be hired for your army or something. That's what i would do.. i think it's crazy enough to work honestly and it's objectively the most ethical way to handle this because it is, in fact, not ethical to give people the boot once they are already established in your community.

ONE PERSON. The stats are jacked up about this because the only "people without US passports" that are counted in the statistics committed a crime. Understand? The vast majority, that I have personally met in the restaurant industry, never go out on the weekend even and just work literally all the time.

>i dont want to go into detail and put any ideas out but theoretically there are some crazy fucking things just one person can accomplish with just like 10k worth of equipment
i do

Post proof, and even then getting 8 deported is nothing.. only the very stupid ones are going to take the gibs. Most of them have jobs and literally just work all the time.

Lol I aint telling you were I work nigga