Why do atheists lean left, when people that believe in evolution are inherently smarter?

Why do atheists lean left, when people that believe in evolution are inherently smarter?

Ur mom gay

That why lol

>doesn't know what inherently means

>republicans are smart

not according to the statistical averages

Because you don't need to be an atheist to take evolution seriously, faggotron

Why does X be Y??!!11

Shut up leaf.

And you're saying the left is better.

Where's the nearest toaster I can submerge your testicular apanages in so you don't reproduce

Why do republicans demand tax cuts for billionaires, and why do they vote against their own interests?

>implying democrats have anyone's interest in mind

Where did this meme come from?

Atheists don't only remove God, but they remove the moral framework of God built in religious minds and supported by religious communities. To replace this moral framework, they bestow more and more power to the government so it might enforce morality. I'm sure you've noticed how every atheist thinks they're a good person, thinks they're smarter, of a finer clay perhaps though they won't admit it, as demonstrated by self-righteous faggots like or who they're LARPing as, who insist only their perspective could possibly be in your best interest.

The left expands government and the right pulls it back, and atheists want to expand. The government to atheists, becomes their de-facto God.

Glitch in the matrix, anyone else or just me?

leftists worship the void, they receive psychosexual pleasure from being slaves to entropy

atheists aren't real. they just adopt a new religion. haidt talked about how sjws view their campus as a 'sacred space'. call-and-response chants, swaying, anti-intellectual superstitions of equality that mandate an implicit belief in creation and magic souls; yeah they're religious zealots.

Atheist here.

Leftists (anarchists) have been conditioned to tear down anything the view as "the establishment" or "normal".

>atheists use the government to enforce their morality, unlike religious people

I don't think anything more retarded has ever been said on this board

LMAo this kid was in jurassic park for about 60 seconds and he still manages to aggravate me everytime

every atheist I met works some shit job that they hate, self medicates with shitty video games and tv shows doesn't have a gf and either looks terrible and/or is overweight. You would think that if these faggots believe they have the one shot at a very very short life they would be doing something more productive in their lives instead of trying to BTFO people in a youtube comment section

"conditioned" bullshit. They did it to themselves. Tearing everything down is not so illogical when you look at how ridiculous civilization has become, in fact most radical right wing movements also advocate tearing down something to put something better in its place

Try to show a little respect before your intestines spill all over the place while they eat you alive.

>every x person I have met does y thing even though they believe z

welcome to humanity

Why is OP making slide threads?
It's happening

Plenty of retards believe in evolution.

Probably just the “liberation” from knowing God is a myth. It won’t last. With great freedom comes great responsibility.

If there is no God, the next highest human component is identity. Which means race.

Not what I said or even what I was talking about, but I appreciate your ability to detract from the shortcomings of atheists by comparing it to christians of old and practitioners of sharia law right now, calling it bad but saying 'they do/did it so it must be ok for me to an authoritarian prick too'.

Atheists by and large only believe in the separation of church and state (which is a Christian thought of their enlightenment era) as a means to push atheism. They will insist that communism has such a separation, but it doesn't, Atheism or Gulag. Christians and muslims utilize charity, atheists utilize socialism, or as they call it, 'charity,' or as a sane person might call it, 'charity at the barrel of a gun'. Government is their higher power, and even with a religious government, Christians answer first to God.

>God
>moral framework

Bitch, please. Have you even read the Bible?

Because those who feel the need to let everyone and everything know that "im an atheist look at my wokeness" tend to be the same people that feel the need to let everyone know that "im a feminist, not a racist, belive in gender equality" etc, look at my wokeness

Nice communism red herring. Good to see your limited knowledge of governance and religion extends only to "christians of old" and "sharia law." In reality, you don't need to look very far to see over the past 5 years everything from religiously motivated abortion laws, marriage laws, you name it, and that's just our nation. Everyone tries to get the government to adopt their morality as law, even if that is a policy of non-interference. Is this "government as a higher power" some Souza talking point? Why would you think that doesn't sound retarded?

Sure have. I've also read bits and pieces of the amendments added by madmen like Leviticus, who had the audacity to claim God speaks through him, which is who I assume you're quick to cling to to point out absurdities in the Bible.

The bible's a great book, whether you're genuinely faithful, curious or an intellectual. I don't advise it your reasoning, be it faith, curiousity or intellect are bullshit though.

>mfw you probably think "the meek shall inherit the earth" means it will go to soyboys

point being that there are plenty of right wingers who are atheists; they just don't feel the need to let everyone around them know

>not according to the statistical averages

user you don't seem to understand how averages work.

Classical liberals, those who respect individual over group identity are now considered right wing. Atheists who are classical liberals do not feel the need to virtue signal their philosophy, as they respect that other people may have different values.

How is allowing abortion a religious law? Are you of the mindset that unborn babies count as human sacrifice to Moloch?

Marriage is a government institution because democrats didn't want darkies marrying their white daughters and insisted on licensing, and it its current form, is designed to facilitate transfer of wealth from men to women even after the bond is broken. Churches simply have the right to perform or not perform them.

Don't call communism a red herring though, it happened, it didn't work, and they demanded such fealty if you were the first person to stop clapping for Glorious Leader, you were gulaged. And no, 'government as a higher power' is genuinely how they think. They never question the authoritarian governments they gave power to until they themselves get gulaged, and it's a very demonstratable theory.

Go on, omitting a divine power, what singular force in your country is more powerful than your government?

As I understand it, nowadays they're calling themselves Liberalists.

>Why do atheists lean left,
I'm a conservative atheist and I lie my ass of about it at work and church. Yes, I attend Sunday morning services every week even though my wife and I are non-believers. When church members want to come over an try to "get to know us better" I always tell them I have a bad case of shingles and then I never hear from them again. And when other church members confide in me that they are troubled in their beliefs, I tell them there are no gods, religion is a scam, and we are all sufficiently adequate human beings who don't need lies and fear to behave.

Evolution is a theory within the science of biology. You read the evidence and accept it or not. It's not something irrational that requires belief like superstitions or fairy tales.

>Ur mom gay
And she gets more pussy than you.

Whenever I want to feel smart I just do what the majority of niggers and women do. That is the liberal way, smart as women and niggers COMBINED. Take that republitards.

>the moral framework of God
No such thing.

>every atheist I met
anecdotal fallacy

exactly. the key difference being atheists on the left tend to believe that if you aren't an atheist you're dogmatically wrong while, like you said, classical liberals respect values and beliefs other than their own.

Just because you don't have a good moral framework doesn't mean the religious don't, either.

Are you really too retarded to understand how religion factors into the abortion laws of the past half century in America?

You bringing up Communism was a complete red herring. We are talking about the idea that "atheists seek government endorsement more than the religious." You have yet to demonstrate what communism has to do with that point. It might have been relevant if I had said atheism seeks government control less than the religious.

>Go on, omitting a divine power, what singular force in your country is more powerful than your government?
Me, personally? Or is this a question that doesn't actually seek an answer.

Conservative (actual conservative, not tory) atheist here.

It's true that the majority of atheists lean left.

However, an even larger majority don't believe in evolution.

They'll pay lip service to it, but their knowledge of evolution is so limited that they legitimately believe that sub species of the genus homo sapiens are equivalent to one another aside from cosmetic features despite the fact that no such phenomenon is present in any other genus nor field of biology in general and no evidence has been presented that can possibly hope to suggest that that is the case.

Hell, ask your average atheist and they'll probably be too stupid to figure out what I'm saying there because the majority are liberals who can't understand anything but the most basic concepts. Atheism isn't accepted because the majority of atheists accept it, it's accepted because it's a trend right now, and it sucks to actually be an atheist, especially a conservative atheist, in this kind of time.

>Atheists by and large only believe in the separation of church and state
Theist actually fall for these lies, too.

>They will insist that communism has such a separation, but it doesn't, Atheism or Gulag.
Here's why this is a lie. Stalin never cared if anyone was faithful or not. He was concerned about the church leading a rebellion against the Soviet State as it did 20 years before he became the Premier. Jugashvili was a seminary student for 5 years - he was planning to become an orthodox priest. He had Russian priests blessing tanks and ships all the time. The liberal clergy he wiped out were against him politically. If the church coronated another tzar, it could potentially lead to civil war

>I don't want to believe in a mysterious extradimensional being wanting to take care of everyone
>I want the government to take care of us all.
Atheists are like kids who failed the peek a boo games as a kid.

When you remove God from the equation you have to find something else to fill the void. This is why atheists and leftists worship their own ass. They put themselves in the place of God.

Often, seeing through religion and dealing with the bluntness of your own mortality is quite a hurdle for most and afterwards many will become smug and think, "That's it, I found the truth and faced it bravely." It doesn't occur to many that nearly everything else too was a lie and it takes effort to truly start questioning everything. So they sit there and feel smart and smug, there's no need for them to probe more because they've already uncovered the biggest lie right? It's more acceptable to question god than the narrative/script in this century.

Yes, you, personally. I seek an answer, but I don't think you have one.

And no, I don't see how you need religion to deny a woman her 'right' to unborn infanticide. The whole goal of abortion is to placate irresponsible women, who have not only evolved to seek provision, and not only have an active desire to live out their evolutionary needs, but also have the voting power to back it up. The government is the largest provider because it can predate from the man. Bonus points if there's no kids around, so the potential mom might be able to work, compete with the man to drive everybody's wages down, and pay more taxes. They killed the black community, and they're coming for you.

If you can't see how communism is a moral system of the godless, imposed by force, you are beyond retarded.

>Just because you don't have a good moral framework
You're projecting again.

>doesn't mean the religious don't, either.
I would contend that for the past 2 or 3 thousand years the Abrahamic religions have supported the deliberate beheadings, systemic torture and the intentional slaughter of innocent men, women and the rape of women and children. That is your relative morality.

What you define as my own interest is no where near how I define it. Remember when trying to rationalize with a Lefty, these are the same people that think a boy can lop off his junk and magically become a girl. Your interests are not mine.

And libertarians are the smartest

Clearly the people are more powerful than the government. Ours is a government by the people, for the people, armed to oppose it should it violate our rights.

And clearly you are too retarded so I'll spell it out for you. Most of the dialogue, especially on an individual state level, concerning when it is legal to abort and so on, has contained gratuitous discussion on when the dividing cells acquire a soul.

I will accept communism is the moral system of the godless as long as you accept the caliphate is the moral system of the pious.

>How is allowing abortion a religious law?
It is but it shouldn't be. Believers of the bible should follow their gods own words and accept that new human life begins with breath

Second, they should only rule themselves with their immoral framework and stop being hypocrites - not try to force their immorality on others by using the government as their weapon of tyranny.

Do you honestly believe we don't have a separation in America? Is that why we're getting more muslims and atheists, and less christians and jews, because that's the christian way? I hold that the separation of the two is a legitimate concept, it is in action, it is not a lie.

>Stalin never cared if anyone is faithful or not
>He showed this care by persecuting the religious
>It doesnt count because they had political disagreements, because Stalin certainly never interfered
But yeah, if you want to pray to God in communist China or North Korea, you'd better be underground, or they'll put you there. Christians have to resort to smuggling bibles into the communist countries to spread the word.

>When you remove God from the equation you have to find something else to fill the void.
Conjecture fallacy. Seriously, do you idiots get together each week just to make this shit up?

>Why do atheists lean left

because atheists are mostly younger and christians are mostly older, younger people are more left leaning

Most are deluded about race and IQ as well as gender and IQ.

Egalitarianism is essentially their religion.

>Conjecture fallacy.
Ive never in my life seen an example of that not being the case.

>But yeah, if you want to pray to God in communist China or North Korea, you'd better be underground,
Maybe, but they don't like what they perceive at the intrusion of Western culture into their society. The primary religions of China are Taoism, Buddhism and Confucius, none of which have any godhead. The millions of little cultural deities they have are nothing more than mythical spirits.

Yes, projecting in response to your projection. Of course.

>I would contend that for the past 2 or 3 thousand years the Abrahamic religions have done bad things
If you're not looking at islam, you have to go back to the colonial period to find anything relevant, but that's OK. There has -never- been an atheist rule that worked. I don't hold that every muslim is ISIS, every jew is Bolshivek, or every Christian is Kony, or even that every Satanist is General Butt-Naked, but I do hold that they've all (well, not the Satanists unless you delve into conspiracy theory) had relatively successful and prosperous countries and empires, maybe Jews a little less so without enlisting the Anglo.

But hey, some faggot got his throat slit once so I guess Thou shall not murder isn't a commandment now and christians are killing everything like crazy.

This.

I'm an atheist myself, but my experience with most atheists is that they're not putting reality above religion, they're just substituting religion with a foolhardy belief in muh ekwality

Thus why they'll rag on about how stupid Christians are for believing in creationism, while still refusing to admit that rejecting a divine creator necessitates rejecting the notion that equality is even feasible.

It's not. Such a balance of attributes is only possible when guided specifically towards that end. In the absolute chaos of a truly atheistic system, equality is an untenable impossibility.

You can believe in equality, or you can be an atheist. These are mutually exclusive in my eyes.

>I don't even understand the foundation of my nation, secularism, let alone know who Thomas Paine is

No wonder you're running out of arguments. Should I point you towards the decline of Yugoslavia so you can read about some wholesome christian atrocities? Are you really so naive that you believe any group of humans is faultless, or is it simply a matter of idiocy and desperate narcissism to belong to the "right" group?

>citation needed

only americans believe in creationism

What do you mean clearly? People still pay taxes despite the fact a lot of those taxes still go to bullshit. The government still keeps raising the debt ceiling despite the fact it cannot mathematically go on, indebting the unborn children of the people, and the people feed into it hook line and sinker. some will protest, but they will pay their taxes or the government will sieze their things and throw them in jail. In most developed countries, they've already taken the guns so a revolt is borderline impossible. Hell, they've started taking guns away here, and I've seen nothing of a revolt but your limp dick. You can't legally own a fully automatic weapon anymore without it being grandfathered in and a licence. You have various states and cities with differing gun laws, despite the 2nd amendment clearly in place. You've even changed the age from "males 17 of age" to "any non-felon/non-violent 18-21, some restrictions apply", and you never push back. The government has almost infinitely more money than the individual, can pull it out of thin air, and despite your boasting about muh people, the government has the highest death toll. They not only have force, but an unrelenting desire to impose it, and that ferocity is what puts them a bar above the people.

But really, get an unregistered full auto weapon and stop paying your taxes and tell me how strong the people are. I'm sure they could still overthrow the government if they gave it a concerted effort, but we're too nice and they're doing a great job at plucking away individuals.

But yeah, I'll call the caliphate -a- moral system of the pious, just like Talmudic law is -a- moral system of the pious. Mind, Pious and Good are not synonymous.

Interesting perspective: Implying a soul does not imply religion. Apparently there was a guy who weighed a dying body in the early 1900s to see if the weight jolted the moment they died, indicating the departure of a soul. Came out to 21 grams of presumably a soul.

Education is brainwashing

>What do you mean clearly? People still pay taxes despite the fact...

Sounds like you're the one who believes there is no force more powerful in our country. Strange that you'd accuse me of a position you hold yourself.
Your story about trying to measure the departure of the soul is an old one. I believe the first I read such a thing is an account claiming Frederick II Hohenstaufen tried to measure it. I don't believe he found a result, and obviously we do not find results currently supporting the idea. The soul is very central to religions, and excluding weird new agey bullshit, is largely rejected by the nonreligious. It'd be neat to see you cite a politician who was nonreligious and yet argued against some aspect of abortion law on the basis that it destroyed a soul.

Sure, the caliphate is -a- moral system of the pious. Communism is -a- moral system of the godless. Both exist inside their own little frameworks. You can even have religious communism, who gives a shit. I'm not a communist, you're not muslim. I feel no more insulted by the failures of communism than I'm sure you feel by the failures of Islam.

Well, religion can inspire a lot of good, and bad things, but then, religion can also be inspired by previous religions, governments, or even just common sense. We had thou shall not murder before we had the ten commandments. Ordained by God, or common sense?

Unfortunately, everybody wants power in the material plane to assert their will and government is the most effective conduit, so at the end of the day many people will try to co-opt government to get power, and many will use power to their own ends even to another's detriment. Morals are for man, not so much for God, or those who can make themselves God. And so we have a Vatican who doesn't really believe in God.

Christianity has been in china for around 1400 years through cultural diffusion, and even played an important role in the modernization of japan. By the 1900s, it wasn't so much being imported as it was simply an established minority. I don't think that China wanting to bar western culture really holds much water though, at least not as so broad a stroke, given they're so willing to trade with us.

Nigger you've been strawmanning my arguments and cherrypicking yours all thread, and you want to come to me like "you've run out of arguments"

Actually no, nigger is too nice a word for you.

What's the difference between a black man and communism?
A black man will get up and feed his own family 18% of the time

right wing atheist here
a lot of atheists couldn't explain to you the basics of evolution, they just simply believe in it because its the atheist status quo

>Nigger you've been strawmanning my arguments and cherrypicking yours all thread

You started this all off by suggesting that atheists put "government" in their empty god-hole. Do you not realize how unbelievably retarded that sounds? How it doesn't even mean anything the more you analyze it? It is just pure nonsense. And you have yet to address it, you've simply shifted the discussion into your cherrypicked communism boogeymen to try to undermine the idea of secular government (although I'm sure you're going to try to argue that secularism is ACTHUHALLY a christian concept or some such nonsense). Are you rescinding your endorsement of that view?

You got communism and you got socialism, who by the way, killed more people than every religion put together. moral systems of the godless, but they do pretty much the exact same shit. When socialism fails, they just call it communism or blame capitalists. When communism fails after they killed all the capitalists, they say it's never been tried. They both weasel their way into academia, teach their views, censor other views, and the atrocity can begin again. Same beast, same head, different eyes that look in the same direction.

The soul can be central to religions, but that does not make the soul exclusive to religions.

>I don't have an argument, so I'll call it retarded and hope people cave to peer pressure on a mongolian dry cleaning forum.

I already explained that they use government to impose morality, because they think they're of a higher moral character than you, your moral superior. You notice how leftists always clamor for the moral high ground, even if they have to climb scores of dead bodies to get there?

>I already explained that they use government to impose morality
I already explained literally everyone does that

>because they think they're of a higher moral character than you, your moral superior.
That would probably be the view of anyone trying to impose their views, yes, religious or no

>You notice how leftists always clamor for the moral high ground, even if they have to climb scores of dead bodies to get there?
Some of them, definitely. Now we're talking about leftists?

>You got communism and you got socialism
I'm a secularist, I've also got the vast majority of western nations currently in existence. Are you capable of addressing secularism or atheism without conflating them with Communism, or is that asking too much of you?

Because we are pro-degeneracy. Right-wingers are anti-degeneracy. We mostly just want your Brazilian trap hookers to be legal.

The types who like to mock creationism because they think it makes them sound smart? Just to piss them off, I wanted to come up with a somewhat viable creationist theory.

Ok so check this: Creationism is real and evolution is the engine. God is infinite and so too is his perfection, and he made us in his image. The kicker, he made everything in his image, and that image is a single cellular organism, where life began. Evolution is the changes and mutations to better adapt, better perfect yourself to your environment, so we evolve, and God evolves infinitely (or at least, what we might perceive as infinitely), and through that, God achieves infinite (or perceptibly such) perfection, growing forever.

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fpbp

>Ive never in my life seen an example of that not being the case.
Just like all the other false beliefs you seem to have, this one is designed to make you feel better about the growing number of non-believers. The average theist is the most gullible victim imaginable of fear. They are shit.scared. of death, so terrified that they have swallowed the most laughable tale of bullshit ever told. Subconsciously they know it's bullshit, but their cowardice prevents them from facing the truth.

Atheists remind the frightened theists of what terrifies them most. That their god is fictitious and that their death will be the end of them forever. They resent the fact that they lack the courage and intellectual integrity of the atheist.

So theists falsely accuse the atheist of every nonsensical thing they can lie about.
>atheists are just mad at their parents
Lie.
>atheists are degenerate
Lie.
>atheists believe in a religion
Lie.
>atheists are filling a void in their lives
Lie.
Theists are apparently terrified of telling the truth about atheists.

You have retarded theists and smart theists. You also have retarded atheists and smart atheists. I have no doubt that smart theists and smart atheists can come to some reasonable conclusion in regards to the moral framework to force upon the retarded ones, be it God given for ones and scientifically proven beyond reasonable doubt for others.
I understand the arguments about morality needing to be dictated by some outside authority, and I truly see the value of Christianity, I just can not bring myself to "really" believe in the God of the Bible. It will always be a pretend play for me, no matter how many times I go to sermon or pray.

1. Not with a separation of church and state, they don't. a 70% abrahamic nation and gay marriage don't mix

2/3. That's the view of any leftist. People on the right tend to just want to be left alone / leave people alone, but given the prevalence of the left, the right has to rise and that can lead to people who forsake their principals. Atheists have no God, so they -need- government 95% of the time.

4. If you can find me an atheist government that isn't/wasn't socialist/communist or aspiring to be so, I'd like to see it.

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I may not have been watching close enough, but have you proposed a theory as to why atheists overwhelmingly vote for more government?

>believe in evolution

sage

>rejecting a divine creator necessitates rejecting the notion that equality is even feasible.
The opposite is true. The Abrahamic holy books espouse a caste system that ranges from slave, servant, concubine, indentured servant, master, lord, all the way up to kings. There was zero equality in the way our modern Contractarianism exists

That's not the opposite of what I said.

I didn't say that "A divine hands necessitates that there will be equality".

I said that "the absence of a divine hand necessitates that equality is unlikely to the point of effectively being completely unfeasible."

I never said that a divine hand won't decide that a caste system works better.

>If you're not looking at islam,
So we're cherry picking our religions now? When the Northern Irish were killing the Northern Irish and both sides proclaimed the Christian gods were on their sides, whose side were your gods on?

>affirmative belief in no god
>*tips fedora*
be-cause. Thats how hipsters do.

I assume niggers are left out of the 'study' you are citing.

show me a moral philosopher that arrives at human equality without borrowing from liberalism.

1. Are you suggesting there wasn't and still isn't opposition from the religious? Or that various states didn't try to legislate religious code?

2. So if I'm understanding you correctly, you think Ayn Rand was secretly a communist and wanted more government control? Or wait, was she actually a leftist? Your attempts at conflating "left" vs "right" in a purely religious framework doesn't work and is convincing no one.

3. Are you suggesting our nation isn't secular? That our theistic, deistic, and atheistic founding fathers didn't create our nation with secularism in mind? Or are you simply interested in seeing a few novel nations from history which had state atheism listed for you?

Your question isn't even framed in a coherent way. Define "more government."

It was God's will, whatever happened :^)

Because the vast majority of atheists as driven to this "non belief" system due to a poorly repressed adolescent desire to rebel against authoritarian religious parents. Do some asking around, you'll see that most atheist have poor relationships with their families.

becuse leftists are smarter, duh. Hence the leftism.

what are the Ten Commandments? what are the 7 deadly sins?

>turd talk

>Spiritual dyslexia is smarter than spiritual literacy.
Sure. Whatever. Good luck with that monkey boi. Enjoy your programming.

1. No. Opposition and Ownership are two separate beasts.

2. Left = more government, Right = Less government. Nazis and Fascists are left wing, and horseshoe theory is for retards.

3. The founding fathers did not impose atheism, no. If you can find me an atheist government that isn't/wasn't socialist/communist or aspiring to be so, I'd like to see it.

Smart people are a small percentage of any large population.

1. We are talking about aspirations, not who is successful. The fact they failed to impose their religious beliefs does not absolve them of having tried.

2. So you admit that religion takes no de jure place in "left" vs "right" political assignment?

3. Secularism is governance without religion. It is the goal and ideal of most western atheists, western people in general I hope. The idea of state atheism is inherently authoritarian, and moves quite a few steps beyond just saying "religion is not welcome in governance."
I fail to see what relevance the few novel nations from history which had state atheism without communism have to all this. Since you included some nice little weasel words like "or aspiring to be so," I will assume your question will have no answer which satisfies you. Calles's Mexico probably won't satisfy you, the very interesting Cult of Reason in revolutionary France probably won't either. Why does any of this matter? Are you rather fond of being lumped in with pic related?

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Lefties aren't atheist, they've replaced god with the state. Both are equally stupid.

news flash, there are NO TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS which means the evolutionary theory is bullshit!
even darwin said it himself! if the fossils are not found his whole theory is bullshit!
there is more proof of intelligent design than there is of brainlet evolution.
at the time darwin wrote the theory he was completely unaware of the complexity of the cell and he didnt even know about dna!
writing the theory of evolution today with those factors involved would ultimately result in the theory being insanely laughable!