Question

How the fuck was it possible to bluepill Germany after the war?

Think about this fucking shit:

>virtually every german had read Mein Kampf or knew about it and what it meant.
>11 fucking years of uninterrupted government sanctioned mass redpilling of the population about race, jews, the new world order
>kids fuckin taught in school for 11 years about everything they would need to know about the jews
>kids and adults told every fuckin day that if the country lost the war, that the jews would make up fantastic lies in an attempt to get them to disbelieve their own eyes
>literally everybody in the country was aware that their overlords would be the eternal jew in the areas that ended up being captured by the soviets
>literally everybody in the country was aware that their overlords would be the eternal jew AGAIN in the areas that ended up being taken by the western allies

The list goes on and on


How the fuck did Nazism go from total mainstream into unthinkable in 10 fucking years? It blows my fuckin mind man, like how did parents not at least tell their kids of how amazing the nazi era was?

I understand in the east, you were just murked if you were caught discussing prewar ideology over the phone or anywhere traceable, but in the west, there wasnt that much of an issue

Was it the marshall plan? what the fuck?

Other urls found in this thread:

library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion#Political_religion
youtu.be/WmzXp-gtIBQ
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

>1950s

>post war

...

...

bump

It’s called military occupation and institutional brainwashing. The US has it too.

>like how did parents not at least tell their kids of how amazing the nazi era was?
Not sure why you think this didn’t happen.

how could the brainwashing have possibly succeeded tho?

we all know its pretty much impossible to take the bluepill once youve been exposed to the redpill maximally

even if some super powered brainwashing did happen, it would have taken decades and generations, like it did here in america since the 50s

From what I've read most Germans viewed the postwar situation as temporary, so they went along with it despite still maintaining national socialist beliefs. It wasn't until the generation that was too young to remember the third Reich and raised in the brainwashing atmosphere of modern education came of age that Germany became truly bluepilled (the 68ers). Germany in the fifties and early sixties was still a deeply traditional society

Well maybe it was the fact that they lost?

Gee, I dunno. Perhaps it as the fact that a huge proportion of young German men died?

That most of them died dragging on a war for another 3 years, a war that had been lost at the end of 1941?

That practically every family in Germany lost sons, fathers, and then later, wives and daughters, for absolutely no gain at all?

That after the war they were under military occupation, their country split in two, not to mention the huge territorial losses.

Look, its just a wild guess, but just maybe that had something to do with it

every single western country was a traditional country in the 50s

how the fuck did they get deradicalized so fast is what im asking

west germany was independent in 1949 already

yeah but that would only be the fucking case if there wasnt anything to show for it

which there was, the nazi period was like heaven on earth for germans, since they saw what their country was capable of once the jewish yoke was thrown off

What I'm saying is that they weren't deradicalised, they just thought that the situation was temporary, and life in postwar Germany was pretty decent so they didn't kick up too much of a fuss. It wasn't until their brainwashed kids started getting power that things really changed

Oh I don't know, why does anybody do anything when they're basically being held at gunpoint and being told to do so?

nah dude, that seems extremely unlikely to me

even if you see the postwar situation as temporary, you never forget the fact that the literal JEW is now in control of the world just like hitler said

you'd be actively speaking out and shit, etc.
even if you thought it was temporary, its not like you were gonna fuckin sit there and just deal with it

they didnt just fuck around and sit there after ww1, though that could have been because of the shit ass economy etc

but its not like post ww2 life in germany was sweet or anything with all the rebuilding that had to get done

They starved them for about 2 years. That really breaks people’s will.

>west germany became independent in 1949

ok and what they just forgot? 2 years later shits nice again, lets get it going

The thinking was that the cold war would turn hot and then they would need the old Germany back to have a chance of winning, war seemed to be just around the corner

The children were taught about "the horrors" of the holocaust in public education, the women were raped into obedience, the nazies were force on international platforms to recant their ideas, call themselves evil, and ultimately suffer total humiliation and self-destruction, the literature was destroyed, sharing those ideas became criminal to the point that risking your kid saying something would have been an absurd mistake, and their culture and art were destroyed while their history was rewritten, their people split apart and demoralized, and their ideology silenced.

That's how you destroy a people, it's honestly a miracle the Germans didn't immediately descend into demographic self-destruction.

interesting take, yeah that could explain a bunch of shit

but still, thats 20 years between the end of ww2 and the emergence of a generation that never knew how good it once was

20 years is a fuckload of time to just dick around and wait and not build any semblance of a journey back

the children i understand, but still only the ones that were like very young could be convinced of the horrors being the only thing, as they also had their parents to say, nah look little hans it wasnt all bad

the rapes were really only in the eastern part, which we arent discussing much for obvious reasons

everybody with half a brain would be able to tell that the big names internationally condemning nazism was forced, as everyone above the age of 15 knows that the victor writes history and decides what the fuck happens

literature can be destroyed, but the memories of the good times cannot be


most of this only happened in the east, not in the west

This is a decent question. Don't think I have an answer. I think getting your ass kicked might have something to do with it. Perhaps easier to blame "something" for losing. I would also be interested to take a close look at immigration patterns after the war. Were populations with the border moved about. Were outside populations brought in.

Another theory put forth, has been when the Berlin wall fell, the East was not liberated. But rather the West was poisoned. The new Stassi and Merkel are from the East

yeah but even before reunification we were seeing contemporary western degeneracy like hippies and shit pop up as if the nazi era never even happened

bump

Same reason the US went full 180 and turned into commie-loving racemixing cucks in the 60s. The pendulum swung, with the help of soviet infiltration of course

we didnt though, only like 10% of the population max was like that and they were overrepresented as shit

its also known as a 'counterculture' for a reason

it's ez. you do what hitler did. you brainwash the children except instead of redpilling them you JEW THESHIT OUT OF THEM

1. Collective Guilt

2. Blame for the Nazi government for losing the war and territories.

3. Holocaust

wut about the people too old to trick

>How the fuck did Nazism go from total mainstream into unthinkable in 10 fucking years?
It betrayed them and left their country in ruins. None of the promises materialised. The holocaust acted as the straw that broke the camel's back - tipping the ideology from failed to simply evil.

The thing about liberty is that it doesn't win fights. It simply endures, while its enemies defeat themselves.

>the nazi period was like heaven on earth for germans
Evidently not.

White Guilt.

because Amerimutts created a denazification process. It took years but proved to be very effective.

I don’t think you understand what it means to lose a war and be occupied by your enemy.
Like Japan, Germany got so ass raped and mentally fucked, it’s like PTSD; your brain rewires itself to deal with the shock.

library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm

THe truth is easily forgotten when the worlds breathing down your neck and your country is in ruins. Your leader dead, and speaking the truth was bound to get you killed for being a nazi

those men all died user

>How the fuck was it possible to bluepill Germany after the war?

Very easy considering 70% of the young male population was eradicated in the war, all the men left were either literal children, betas or old men. Pic related, Germans that look like this are practically extinct in Germany proper.

They did at first, but you don't understand the power of propaganda. Just as the Nazis thoroughly indoctrinated it into their people the Allies did it to them after the war. The Holocaust was probably the most useful way into do this though.

There wasn't the internet back then where you could escape to your own little niche subculture site when somebody said something you disagreed with.

>How the fuck was it possible to bluepill Germany after the war?
In answer to your question:
>follow ME, kill the Jews und I vill make Germany Great again!!
>fuhrer command, we obey!
>*gets fucking flattened*
>god fucking dammit you austrian faggot
People will follow you into hell itself if you win for them. But they won't believe one fucking thing if you lose.

This.
the "new" Germans are mixed with whatever mutt breed the american are and russian rape babies.

true, it definitely does become fucking terrifying, especially with hitlers suicide. that actually probably is what did it in everybodys mind now that i think about it

but still though, like everyone still realizes that this is the expected process in the aftermath of a defeat, they dont forget fundamental truths that hitler taught like, the jews are doing this this and this, and they wont stop if we dont stop them.

so like, everybody after the war was still aware that the jews controlled the media now, the jews gave them food now, the jews made the porn still, the jews controlled the media again.

youd think that after 5 years after the initial shock wore off that the people would start looking around and being like, FUCK guys we went back in time to weimar germany basically, which we had a glorious revolution once that we escaped with.

>70%

got a source?

Truths that you believe are self-evident may not be so obviously true from where other people are standing.

bombs raining out of the sky every day and night might have something to do with it
the eternal jew broke them
its just how a pack of niggers gang raping a little girl can turn her out so that she becomes a whore willing to manage herself and attract johns while still handing over a cut to the pimps that broke her

I think politics played a big role too in suppressing truth. Once Hitler was gone new controlled people could take his place pushing everyone in a direction they wanted. The truth did get out though quietly, in books, movies, movements, survivors. It was written for other to see they just had to find it I think. Never spoken openly

think about it in a sense that after ww1 things started to make less sense, people didnt know what 2+2 was

then a guy came along and said it was 4, and explained why and it made sense, and it was math so there was really 1 answer in a sense

then this guy lost the war and the conquerors started saying 2+2=5 actually, and used logic but you started to understand why, but then still 2+2=4 was valid to you in some sense

Because most of the citizenry didn't support Nazism to start with

It was.

so says the communist. Do you think I am dumb.

The problem is that the thing you are treating as demonstrable mathematical truth is actually just an opinion.

"2+2=4" is always true, but "we should genocide the Jews" is a matter of opinion.

By what metric?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for them?

But everybody totally supported the Soviet Union and Khmer Rouge right?

No it's not the conclusion that is the valid but the arguments that lead to the conclusion that were valid.

true but the idea is that it was indoctrinated into the people that the jews were the root of all evil, with the evidence being hitler dragging the standard of living from the shitter to the top seemingly with ease after providing the "final solution"

Why does every Sup Forumsack do this? As if hypocrisy dissproves a fact

the final solution was Hitlers solution to the jew problem. Just because it was a shitty idea doesn't make the jew problem invalid.

>the arguments that lead to the conclusion that were valid.
Again, it's a matter of opinion.

Even if we accept that there is an objectively correct answer to any real problem, that answer is unknowable because of the limitations of our ability to observe, so it's in effect a matter of opinion based on which observations you choose to believe out of the massive collection of fake/incorrect observations which exist as a byproduct of our inaccurate tools.

Nevertheless, you can tell me that you sincerely believe you have an objective proof of Jewish conspiracy that is as compelling as the statement "2+2=4" but I'm not going to believe you and I'm not going to take it seriously.

>the evidence being hitler dragging the standard of living from the shitter to the top seemingly with ease
This is a myth.

>after providing the "final solution"
Final solution didn't begin until the war was well underway.

Furthermore, the "Jewish-dominated" society of the USA and UK lived lives of luxury and crushed the German war machine, whereas the "Aryan" society of Germany was impoverished and defeated. Clearly even if Hitler was right about Jewish conspiracies he was wrong when he called them a bad thing for the common man.

Never underestimate the power of the Jews to manipulate history at will

thats what im saying

like how is it possible that the people forgot about the literal #1 problem facing humanity as described by hitler

he met undeniable metrics that constitute immense success, especially in the middle of the great fucking depression

even a professional boxer can get beaten the fuck out of by 4 big ass dudes

all dogs are animals. is this an opinion or a valid statement.

But it's not a fact, I mean any historian will tell you the German people were absolutely obsessed with Hitler, it was a true love for him and their nation. Not to mention the standard of living were the highest and and taxes were the lowest in the world before 1942. Any Communist regime was utter hell and they had to invent a cult of personality to ensure the people "like" their leader.

that's not how it works, m8.
let's look at the situation, shall we.
in Germany's case they were red pilled by the government from day 1. thus, many took it as a background noise and propaganda. when offered "alt"view they gladly took it. then there were the majority, who were proper propped and redpilled, many of them were killed, raped, tortured, many starved and when the victors came and told them to shut up and put up, they did. they suppressed earlier knowledge. in time those who were indoctrinated in the "new way" outweighed the silent majority and became new normies.
when you go from being bluepilled to redpilled that's when the hard redpill occurs - you usually come to this by yourself, thus you treat it as YOUR OWN achievement not something that gov gave you, and you are much more likely to never give it up again. You will seek any and all avenues to release the pressure it builds in your ... ehm ... mind. ergo Sup Forums, ergo change in comments on ZeroHedge, Reddit and even MSM ... think about it, just 10 years ago it was impossible to find a comment that was spilling it on the jews, and if you would have found it, you'd also have found like 6gorillion comments decrying anti-semitism.

>I don’t think you understand what it means to lose a war and be occupied by your enemy.
indeed.
you could even argue that Germany is still occupied
>but then still 2+2=4 was valid to you in some sense
..but if you said that, you would be sent to jail and your children stigmatized

an analogy to what I was saying would be,

all dogs have 4 legs.
all cats have 4 legs.
therefore all dogs are cats.

first to arguments are correct, the conclusion is false.

Thank God my great grandfather survived and wasn't a wimp.

Drafted towards the beginning of the war, served all the way until the last year when he got injured in Greece and sent home.

>many took it as background noise

the fuck are you smoking bro this guy built the entire society on the concept of the mighty triumph of the aryan over the jew

>he met undeniable metrics that constitute immense success, especially in the middle of the great fucking depression
No, he didn't.

You keep repeating this, but it's a myth. Germany was a poor country in 1929 and it was still poor in 1939.

If you look for empirical data to back up your statement you won't find any. I know, because I've had this argument before with a thousand floundering neo-Nazis and they always fail. The German economic miracle doesn't exist. It's a myth.

I'm not really interested in getting into esoteric philosophy.

I understand that. I'm saying that no part of it is correct. Rather, that no part of it is as obviously and self-evidently correct as you want us to believe.

in east germany, not in west germany, especially if you told them to keep it on the dl for obvious fucking reasons

Because the Nazis lost and the people were FORCED to oblige to the new rules. You think the Russians were nice to the German people?

I don't think anyone forgot just look at the state we are in now. Though, I do think it was kept from public discussion on purpose.

>they had to invent a cult of personality
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion#Political_religion
Nazism=Political religion
Hitler=God
That's a cult of personality

please expound

They were in ruin, occupied and psychologically shocked, perfect situation for reprogramming. I don't see anything surprising.

Hitler acted more as a Messiah to Germany, but you completely dodged the question. Nazi Germany's cult of personality was organic, Communism's is completely artificial.

Should you? If not then you should slay the German dog in the street, wherever he lay, give them no mercy, take, no prisoner.

he raised the quality of life in the general sense. for example


wages went up 10%, unemployment went down from 30% to way lower
people worked on massive public works projects that were investments into the future like the autobahn and architecture, etc

if trump got assassinated and hillary became president, how long would it take you to fucking forget how things should be, dumbass

Hitler was the leader, and he suicided.
Germany lost completely. It was complete and total defeat, and millions of Germans suffered as a result.
There was no other option than to abandon fascism, because the entire country was now occupied by the Yanks and the Reds.

>this

my man, you go and take JBP lectures on human mind. he says that nazis were baddies but if you can disregard that, there's much to learn about everything else. you'll learn that majority of populus will go along to get along. electoral euphoria, emergence out of the Weimar cuckfest, and so on and so forth.
broaden your horizons, bucko.

I wouldn't know where to start with you. To explain it in its entirety is very hard.

west germany became independent in 49 and people could still draw swastikas on the street in chalk and talk to people in secret about before the war

>organic
yes millions of children voluntarily sacrificing themselves is perfectly normal. Organic is just a buzzword in this context.

>soviet deathtoll
>27 million

>german deathtoll
>5 million

And you didn't have to fight anybody else, Germany had to fight the world powers and still your armies were annihilated.

go ahead

>wages went up 10%
Yet consumption stayed the same or fell for most things, especially staples like groceries. Seem a bit incongruous?

>unemployment went down from 30% to way lower
Easy to do when you remove women from the workforce and conscript the men for labour battalions. Neither of those things create value, which is why even though unemployment is falling consumption isn't increasing - nothing has been created to consume.

>"but consumption is degenerate and it's a good thing that they lived ascetic lives"
A valid opinion, but not the one you've been espousing because you've previously lauded Hitler's economic policies because of the presumed growth that they caused.

>people worked on massive public works projects that were investments into the future like the autobahn and architecture, etc
Sure, and some of them were good, but most of them were a waste. In addition, if you have an unemployed doctor and give him a job pouring asphalt for a highway, that's not optimal.

Furthermore, normies will go with whatever way the wind blows. Once the "you were wrong, your fault german bigots, you were evil, etc' brainwashing started, it was allll over

>unemployment
yeah but the employed now get a wage, thereby increasing the quality of their lives

The Communists had the majority control after the war and their rule was tyrannical. ALL the most educated German minds were either whisked away to work for Russia or the U.S., ALL political and philosophical minds who supported the regime were executed. ALL high ranking military were executed and even many low ranking military both by the U.S. and USSR. Many of the wealthy gentry in Germany committed suicide along with many members of the party before the battle of Berlin. All news about uprisings would be been suppressed by the Communists and put down by Stalinist forces usually through immediate execution. The male populations would have been devastated by the military deaths in the war and the post war gulag deaths which aren't counted in many official tolls. After all that there's about 50 years behind the iron curtain where who knows what went on and pretty much forced Communist indoctrination for a time greater than the previous state. Simply put that defeat in a war crushes peoples culturally, physically, and spiritually so that they never recover again in many instances.

it took three generations. go watch yuri you dumb faggpt

Millions? Come now don't be so dishonest, you twist the words and context though. Can you say millions of men sacrificing themselves for the motherland is perfectly normal. It's war idiot.


>Organic is just a buzzword in this context.
Yes I know you commies deny anything such as natural or that humans are not just a blank slate.

>yeah but the employed now get a wage, thereby increasing the quality of their lives
But why didn't consumption go up?

It's a sham. You can fake employment by taking people out of the workforce, but you can't fake consumption.

I'm not suggesting that Germans lived as feudal peasants in the heart of Berlin. Just that from 1929 to 1939, very little improved. And most of that improvement occurred prior to 1933, so still technically under the Weimar government. And at a slower pace than the rest of the world, even labouring under the great depression.

2 generations that could have done something to prevent germany from becoming what it is today

I just said its hard to do so. I'm not your encyclopedia

youre ghey

>we shall not take the german soldiers captive, execute him wherever he is found

>we are not animals, all captives of war are only the problem of the [warden]

It worked well I see.

>Hitler's 'suicide'
youtu.be/WmzXp-gtIBQ

>commit warcrimes
>still get massacred

oh oh oh