Code Geass movie I

>135 minutes
>Up through episode 17 of S1
>A lot less school scenes
>No Mao arc included (so far)
>Diethard, not Shirley, shoots Villetta

I am okay with this

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Also...not airing until later this month, but those sound like a good amount of changes.

>Mao cut out
>Shirley doesnt shoot Viletta
Does this mean she's getting cut out?

Is it time for LelouchxMilly?!

Pretty much confirmed that R3-R4 is going to run off whatever changes they make in the movies.

>A lot less school scenes
>No Mao arc included (so far)
>Diethard, not Shirley, shoots Villetta
So a lot less stupid, great.
>Shirley getting cut
Hopefully.

>Diethard shoots Villetta
Diethard villain of R3 is going to happen and you can't stop it.

Honestly, with all these changes, I'm just happy we still get Lelouch's retarded emperor hat.

>A lot less school scenes

that's all i needed to know, thank god.

>no mao
>Diethard shoots viletta

Holy shit are they retconning the memory loss plotline?

I wonder about that.

Either you're right or she'll lose her memory anyway, just differently.

Does this mean Shirley is not dying to that piece of shit Rolo?

I hope they fix up the Euphinator scene for the next movie.

They probably will have Mao appear later on. His arc is important for not only Shirley's character, but also for CC's character and foreshadowing the massacre

Is this going to be considered the canon for R3?

80% likely. Source: my opinion

Maybe so, but in a lot less time and probably closer to the Euphemia stuff to make the connection more obvious.

If he survives the third movie.

I wouldn't be opposed to that though. He could use more screen time.

>Many of the scenes from the original series involving Lelouch’s school life and school council shenanigans were cut and other new scenes were added to essentially truncate events that took much longer to play out in the original.

>For example, the whole sequence where Lelouch convinces Kallen that he’s not Zero by using a recording over the phone is reduced to a single phone conversation between Kallen and Ohgi where she says she thought Lelouch might be the person who helped them, but upon seeing Lelouch with Nunnally believed that someone who cares so much for his disabled sister [wouldn't] be involved with something so dangerous.

>One significant addition was in the opening credits where we are shown a sequence of flashbacks. There is a brief flash of a scene with Lelouch and Suzaku from seven years before. In the scene we see Suzaku angrily standing over Lelouch with a mark on Lelouch’s face—indicating that Suzaku has just punched him. It’s only the briefest flash, but it alters our understanding of Lelouch and Suzaku’s relationship. We realize that the two were antagonistic towards each other at first. It’s followed by a flash of the the ending credits scene of the first half of the first series where Suzaku is walking up a hill in the rain with Nunnally on his back and Lelouch runs after them carrying an umbrella.

>There is an added scene of Shirley looking for someone in Narita after the landslide that the Black Knights caused and she does not make another appearance in the movie after that. Considering her importance then and later on, it’s possible that the events involving her discovery of Zero’s identity and of Mao might have been moved to the second movie.

Wtf? I enjoyed those scenes.

If they included most of those the film would need to be four hours long

but what am i going to do without the main cast in fursuits?

>Shirley gets all of her important scenes cut out of the movies
>Still dies during the R2 recap

That's fine. Ben Hur did that and it's a well loved classic.

Shirley's scenes are probably stil in movie two, I bet, just reshuffled and repurposed.

I hope so. She's probably my favorite of the supporting cast.

On the other hand, if some of the other anons' hunches are correct and R3 bounces off of the movies and not the series, then it's possible Shirley will live and show up in the next season. The Mao arc apparently isn't in movie 1, and most notably it's Diethard who shoots Villeta this time and not Shirley. That seems like an odd change to make if the Mao arc is just going to come later. If the Mao arc never shows up then Shirley never uncovers Zero's identity and as a consequence never has to have her memory erased, which doesn't put her in harm's way come R3. If the Mao arc is really gone for good then there’s no reason for Shirley to die later nor any reason why this would be particularly impactful on Lelouch outside of them being friends on the student council. I wouldn’t get too hopeful at this point, but if the movies make some bigger changes later on beyond just cutting certain content she might just make it.

There's nothing to fix. That scene is the epitome of perfection.

>No Kallen shower scene as well
>She just figures out Lelouch is not Zero cause he is nice with Nunnally and can't put himself at risk

Kallen and Shirley are so getting forgotten

His original death was vague as fuck anyway. He was shot once in a series where people survive nukes. It's more than possible he managed to get to a hospital.

Her dad still dies, from what I can tell, given she's all dressed up and looking for someone in Narita.

Maybe Shirley will only have her memories changed and won't die after all.

Guess I could live with it, so that if I dislike R3 I'll have to consider only the first serie as canon and forget about the second canon that are the movies

Kallen probably gets other scenes, like the one at the Chinese embassy from the film's PV.

BD when

Yeah but School Kallen and Lelouch's mask on ! mask off ! was great so kinda disappointed but I knew she'd get the shaft so whatever

worst girl kill yourself

Rolo was a mistake. Hopefully they find a way of cutting him off completely.

I actually kinda liked Rolo.

I find that hard to believe. Perhaps we'll just get most of the school stuff from early R2 removed.

Oh, these movies are recaps?
Thank god, I remember almost nothing from the actual plot of CG, just he memes.

So now you can watch the films when they come out and get up to speed in a more relevant way.

It's been over a fucking decade. Unless you periodically rewatch it, it's only natural to forget most of it.

I can't remember much of it either except for a few key scenes.

>It’s only the briefest flash, but it alters our understanding of Lelouch and Suzaku’s relationship.
This was shown in the season 1 specials where Suzaku first meets Nunnally and Lelouch.

>a lot less school scenes
That's kinda sad to be honest.

Same thought.
School was part of the fun, the student council mattered to Lelouch.

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Yes, though sadly most people never watch those. Better to get a reference to them in the actual show.

There should still be a few shorter ones included in the film, since they're nor erasing the school itself.

>>Diethard, not Shirley, shoots Villetta

Isn't this bad? The whole point was showing that Shirley's inner conflict is something that didn't develop later as she thought about it but rather it was instinctive, from the very moment she learned Lulu was Zero. She just him wearing the mask, and yet she shot Viletta to protect him nevertheless.

It was pretty important to her character, defining her feelings for Lelouch as something existing on a subconcious level. Basically meaning she would love him no matter what as a subconcious reaction, rather than a well-thought, mature decision.

Depends. It makes Diethard more important at this early stage and possibly ties into the later stuff with him and those two.

In the case of Shirley, I believe they will make her drama more about Lelouch being responsible for her father's death and not overly confusing things with the "I loved you so much that I killed Villetta!" part added on top.

But this was already after her father had died, meaning she still protected the person she blamed for her father's death.

It wasn't "I shot Viletta because I love you". More importantly it was "I shot the person who was about to kill you, which I should want too but yet I didn't"

That is incredibly disappointing

>>No Mao arc included (so far)
>>Diethard, not Shirley, shoots Villetta

for what purpose?

How much do you want to bet they show Lelouch driving the cart at the very end?

Are redoing the animation or is it the same shit?

Same

They gotta cut shit somewhere.

>Diethard, not Shirley, shoots Villetta

Shirlet dindu nuffin! It's that bastard Diethard!

one thing is cutting and other is changing plot points

Getting rid of the Mao arc is just shedding excess weight, not changing plot points. However, if they do that then there's no reason for Shirley to be the one to shoot Villetta, since that sets up one of the primary drama points of that arc. It becomes a necessary change if you don't want to spend screentime explaining why Shirley was there but somehow doesn't need to have anything resolved.

Though it does raise interesting questions about how Jewghi can parade his brown waifu around later or if Diethard saw Zero's face. If they shaft Shirley just to set up even MORE homo undertones I will be pissed.

shirley will not die

>singles
No hope.

>A lot less school scenes
Not surprising. Those scenes felt very forced in the show those Special Edition movies also removed them.
>No Mao arc included (so far)
Good. It was fucking shit and given that the movie goes up to 17 we probably won't get it
>Diethard, not Shirley, shoots Villetta
Why? Doesn't even make sense either
Shirely's character isn't important and neither is CC. In fact Shirley whole arc was among the more poorly written aspects of the series. You can still have her die without the memory wipe bullshit.
Second movie is almost guaranteed to be focused on Suzaku and Mao is only useful when he reveals that Suzaku murdered his father and given how Shirley only has one scene in this and they replaced her shooting Viletta with Diethard its more than likely the Mao arc has been removed or heavily condensed,

>For example, the whole sequence where Lelouch convinces Kallen that he’s not Zero by using a recording over the phone is reduced to a single phone conversation between Kallen and Ohgi where she says she thought Lelouch might be the person who helped them, but upon seeing Lelouch with Nunnally believed that someone who cares so much for his disabled sister [wouldn't] be involved with something so dangerous.

No fanservice shower scene?! Heresy!

I disagree. The mistake was returning Lelouch to the Academy and continuing the masquerade for another cour. Rolo was a good addition who was introduced in a shoddy part of the plot.

Now Gino, he's a shit character. And Anya was mostly pointless too. Marianne did practically nothing once she was revealed.

I'm not sure how you can be a Shirleyfag and say that you were fine with how she was written in the show.
Yeah that change is really fucking stupid because it showed Lelouch's ingenuity while this just makes Kallen to look dumb (well dumber) than the TV version.

Who cares? Shirley was just a poorly written character and the amount of misfortune that fell on her became more hilarious than sad because the show just never let her grow.

There was nothing particularly unusual about the way that Shirley was written in comparison to the rest of the show. If heaps of misfortune, unbelievable plot twists, and DRAMA are not your cup of tea then why watch Geass at all? There's literally nothing else to the series.

>There was nothing particularly unusual about the way that Shirley was written
>Dad dies
>Guy you like turns out to be the one who killed him
>Memory gets wiped three times
>Die by a complete freak accident for no other reason other than to incite drama
>You still love the guy who made your life in living hell for no reason whatsoever
>Woman who blackmailed you is now happily married with a kid

Is Shirley the biggest cuck of the show? She's even the butt of jokes in the sound dramas.

>There was nothing particularly unusual about the way that Lelouch was written
>Mom is killed right in front of you
>Dad tells you he doesn't even care and banishes you and your sister away forever
>Little sister is not just crippled, but also blind
>Accidentally make your half-sister to commit genocide due to a slip of the tongue and be forced to kill her in turn
>Get caught and dragged before your worst enemy by your own best friend
>Get brainwashed into serving the empire you hate
>Get brainwashed AGAIN into forgetting everything and everyone important to you
>Have the closest thing to a love interest you have die in your arms
>Get killed by your biggest rival on live TV to atone for things that weren't even really your fault
>wow shit writing amirite guise? lol what a cuck

You can do this for literally any character in the show.

>There was nothing particularly unusual about the way that Orange was written
>Have the object of your admiration and LOYALTY assassinated on your watch
>Get banished to some obscure position in the colonies
>Have over a decades worth of working your way back up destroyed in an instant by some punk in a mask
>Get imprisoned
>Dishonored and reduced in rank to private once you get out
>Get humiliated again in your next big battle
>Go insane
>Used for painful human experimentation to create a cyborg
>STILL fail repeatedly to redeem yourself by killing the masked man despite coming back to life several times
>Discover the object of your hatred is actually the son of your old royal post and swear your allegiance on the spot
>He dies a few months later
>lol is Orange the biggest cuck in this show? Who writes this shit?

This is just what Code Geass is. Once again, it’s odd to single out Shirley of all people for this. If anything, isn’t C.C. the person who’s basically experienced living hell for centuries? If anyone on the show has it the worst, it’s her. And who equated misfortune with bad writing anyways?

>You can do this for literally any character in the show.
Not really
>Orange
Despite EVERYTHING wrong that happened to him he not only winded up restoring his honor he's one of the few characters who got everything he wanted by the end of the show. How the fuck can that logic even apply to Shirley?

Both Lelouch and Orange wind up getting what they wanted in the end Shirley didn't. You couldn't have failed to prove a point harder if you tried.

This conversation is going in a bizarre direction. You're going to have to clarify what you mean by bad writing. Don't most people take issue with the bizarre amount of things that can and do go wrong? The assertion is usually that it's so outrageous that it lifts suspension of disbelief. How does the fact that there's a happy ending at the end counter that? It doesn't make anything that came before less ridiculous.

Can't they just remake everything after S1?

Misfortune to a character does not equal bad writing. The problem with Shirley character is that her arc is nothing but a catalyst to bad drama and nothing else she's so inconsequential to the story she can be written out with next to no change in the plot. Orange's misfortune led to him becoming a better character the same with Lelouch and Suzaku all Shirley did was die for drama and never grew as an actual person.

>neither is CC.

Yea....no. CC is as important as the rest

>CC is as important as the rest
People still say this after R2?

Any chance for more Spinzaku is something I'll stand behind.

>CC
>not important
Well you got me to respond

>she's so inconsequential to the story she can be written out with next to no change in the plot
Untrue. Shirley's death serves two purposes. Firstly, it contributes to Lelouch's deteriorating mental state which is what drives him to massacre the Geass order. This creates divisions in Black Knights that Oghi later exploits during the coup, and sets him up to confront V.V. which leads to the truth about his mother. Secondly, it also solidifies his decision to kill Rollo when the time comes, which essentially forms the crux of Rollo's arc when he decides to save Lelouch from the Black Knights despite him ranting that he was getting ready to kill him.

Shirley also goes from someone who is unsure if she can trust Lelouch to someone who is determined to protect his secret. Like it or not, that's growth.

>Women in CG
>important

This. Shirley's main contribution to the plot was a catalyst for Lelouch. That is not a bad thing.

>Firstly, it contributes to Lelouch's deteriorating mental state
Lelouch was a nut job in the first fucking season. Shirley death didn't drive him to the breaking point in fact all it did was reiterate what we've known about Lelouch since the beginning, him taking out his own mistakes on others.

>This creates divisions in Black Knights that Oghi later exploits during the coup,
The BK had already distrused him before then also Oghi initiates the coup not because of what happened during the Geass Cult but because Viletta lied to him.
>Secondly, it also solidifies his decision to kill Rollo when the time comes
Once again he was always planning to kill Rolo

So basically all you're saying is that Shirley was a plot device and not a very good one at that.

>Shirley also goes from someone who is unsure if she can trust Lelouch to someone who is determined to protect his secret. Like it or not, that's growth.
That's the exact opposite of growth since it lead to her death.

>Shirley death didn't drive him to the breaking point
It literally did. Right up until her death, his plan was to use the Geass Order. Shirley being killed made him snap.

>The BK had already distrused him before then also Oghi initiates the coup not because of what happened during the Geass Cult but because Viletta lied to him.
Were you not paying attention to the entire side plot with the BK rando who confided in Asahina about the cult massacre? Ohgi+Viletta alone wouldn't have done shit, it wouldn't have convinced everyone that Zero was a villain.

>Once again he was always planning to kill Rolo
Eventually, down the line. But up to that point he had served as a useful pawn. Lelouch decided to kill him way earlier than he should have since he killed Shirley.

>That's the exact opposite of growth since it lead to her death.
What the fuck. Character development (I don't agree with the usage of "growth" here) has nothing to do with whether or not they die. Are you nuts?

fine Shirley WILL die

>Shirley death didn't drive him to the breaking point
Literally the very scene where Lelouch tells CC he plans to attack the Geass order she stops eating her pizza, looks directly at him and asks "what happened?" She also reminds him that he was planning to control the Geass order, not destroy it, and Lelouch responds that if he lets Geass proliferate then Shirley's death was for nothing. This isn't even reading into things, it was explicitly stated: destroying the Geass order was not the original plan and Shirley was the catalyst.

>The BK had already distrused him before then also Oghi initiates the coup not because of what happened during the Geass Cult but because Viletta lied to him.
There was a nameless BK grunt who was assigned to that mission who was shocked that they were ordered to kill children. This solider confides this info to Asahina before he dies, and Asahina in turn transmits it to Todoh before he gets nuked. Todoh brings this info to the main council where it causes discord before Schniziel shows up. It definitively impacts the confidence the core BK staff have in Zero.

And even if Lelouch always planned to toss Rollo aside Shirley's death is what makes his hatred so vehement. He would not likely have lost his cool at Rollo before the others turn on him had it not been for Rollo killing Shirley and his failure to get Nunnally out in time.

Also, growth isn't not growth if it's not in a direction you like. Growth is growth because it's development from a previous state. Shirley's new resolve is growth, even if it gets her killed.

>It literally did
It didn't. You did not watch the first fucking season if you believe this bullshit. Lelouch has always done that shit.
>Ohgi+Viletta alone wouldn't have done shit, it wouldn't have convinced everyone that Zero was a villain.
Wrong dumbass. What came about was that Schienzel showed them evidence and they didn't believe it at all then Ohgi came along in and said Lelocuh is not to be trusted HE ONLY DID THIS BECAUSE OF VILETTA'S TESTIMONY NOT BECAUSE OF SHIRELY'S DEATH so basically without Viletta's lie they would have never been convinced that Lelouch was evil thanks for proving how even more worthless Shirley was.

>stuff
Yes you keep on grasping for straws. And no she didn't develop as a character she was still a lovesick teenager even when she was dying who still loved a terrible person despite all the horrible things she did to her.

>No Mao arc included
thank god
>Diethard, not Shirley, shoots Villetta
What the hell?

Nothing about this post refute my point. Lelouch wasn't always off his rocker and Shirely's death didn't change anything.

>Todoh brings this info to the main council where it causes discord before Schniziel shows up. It definitively impacts the confidence the core BK staff have in Zero.

No it didn't because they saw the evidence and called it bullshit so if Ohgi never intervene they never would have betrayed him. There was always seeds of mistrust going around the BK even before that incident.

>And even if Lelouch always planned to toss Rollo aside Shirley's death is what makes his hatred so vehement
He always hated Rolo even before that incident. He was always playing to kill Rolo before that incident. You have nothing to stand.

All you're proving is that you have no idea what character growth is.

Monica will not die!

>You did not watch the first fucking season if you believe this bullshit.
You mean the bullshit that came directly from Lelouch's mouth? Okay buddy.

>Wrong dumbass blah blah
Did you not see how Tohdoh reacted upon seeing Asahina in Schneizel's files? Then remembered what he'd said about the massacre? Again Ohgi was not the only thing that turned the entire BK against Lelouch, it was a lot of things and the massacre was one of them.

>And no she didn't develop as a character she was still a lovesick teenager even when she was dying who still loved a terrible person despite all the horrible things she did to her.
The entire episode where she died was all about how she couldn't trust anyone after her memory returned, including Lelouch. She finally resolved to follow him despite the horrible things he'd done after talking to Suzaku.

>Stuff happened
>No it didn't!
Where do you go from here? What is even the response to this? If I go dig out my external hard drive and make some screenshots are you just going to go "nice photoshop I watched all this 30 seconds ago I totally remember that this didn't happen"?

Suzaku'd within 30 seconds. Better bow down before the big 11 D, cunt.

I just double checked and I have to correct myself here. Asahina was not in Schneizel's files, Tohdoh remembered Asahina when Schneizel brought up how Zero was notified of Fleija, because Asahina told him about the massacre and that they couldn't trust Zero. Does not change my point, just a clarification.

Also to note, the entire table is still on Lelouch's side even when Ohgi comes in. Tamaki demands proof, and Diethard is even saying it could be a good thing. (The entire scene is still stupid because the BK believed their enemy way too easily but it still happened.)

>Okay buddy
Yes you should go watch the first season at some point.

>Did you not see how Tohdoh reacted upon seeing Asahina in Schneizel's files?
Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey jackass...you're wrong. They called Schinzel's "evidence" bullshit and weren't buying it until Ohgi came in.

>stuff
Wow...its fucking nothing
>Does not change my point, just a clarification.
Actually it does since Ohgi's interjection was the key and Tamaki is an idiot.

Man, you do realize that there's no need to save face on an anonymous imageboard, right? You can just melt back into the crowd and no one will know the difference. If you keep going you're going to become "that guy who was sperging out in the thread last Sunday"

>Yes you should go watch the first season at some point.
And you should go watch the episode after Shirley dies. Right now.

>They called Schinzel's "evidence" bullshit and weren't buying it until Ohgi came in.
He didn't show any evidence until AFTER Ohgi came in. I have the fucking episode open right now. The recording of Lelouch and Suzaku's conversation did more than Ohgi did, then they whipped out the files and mentioned Fleija and it was all over. You only remember Ohgi being so important because he showed up right before the commercial break.

>He didn't show any evidence until AFTER Ohgi came in. I have the fucking episode open right now
Cool lie bro

anyone now when R3 airing?

Just stop dude, he's either trolling you or he's retarded. Either way there's now win condition for you.

>When you can't make a point and all you can do is give (you)'s

How pathetic

>NO U
Great argument

>He didn't show any evidence until AFTER Ohgi came in. I have the fucking episode open right now
There's no need to lie kid. If any case thanks for proving how inconsequential Shirely was to this who thing

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