Socialism / Leftism General

In this thread we discuss socialism, leftist economics, and all other sorts of political economics and political theory.

Let's keep this discussion civil, and try not to resort to ad-hominem attacks!

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>In this thread we discuss socialism
Sure, what shall we discuss?

Socialism is not leftist ideology.
Socialism originates with the ancient Aryan peoples. Modern socialism is highly Judaic, just like Communism, and it is because of Jewish perversion our systems fail every single time.

>Let's keep this discussion civil, and try not to resort to ad-hominem attacks!
you mean other than the fact that pointing out that Communism is Jewish and anti-White?

>you mean other than the fact that pointing out that Communism is Jewish and anti-White?
Okay, you've pointed it out. Now move along please

I believe the rampant hatred for socialist ideology (in the United States at least) is due to the lingering propaganda of the red scare; that propaganda continues to be pushed only because it is profitable for the capitalist elite
In truth, socialist ideals are nothing non-American, in fact before the red scare, a vast population of the American working class were proponents of workers rights (see video I posted)

>Okay, you've pointed it out.
Obviously you don't have a problem with that, do you?

>Now move along please
Why? The fact that Communism is Jewish and anti-White is integral to the fact that no one should support it.

And the leftists are just as anti-White as their Jewish masters.

>In truth, socialist ideals are nothing non-American, in fact before the red scare, a vast population of the American working class were proponents of workers rights (see video I posted)
True and people conveniently forget what unions etc. have accomplished.

let discuss how we are going to solve the economic calculation problem, it's vital for our system to work

>I believe the rampant hatred for socialist ideology (in the United States at least) is due to the lingering propaganda of the red scare; that propaganda continues to be pushed only because it is profitable for the capitalist elite
Which is ironic because both Capitalism and Communism are anti-White and Jewish.

>In truth, socialist ideals are nothing non-American
Jews can't be American (aka White) therefore their communist ideals can't be American either...

I'm not a Marxist

>let discuss how we are going to solve the economic calculation problem,
By making everyone starve to death.

>I'm not a Marxist
Marx was Jew, btw.

Yes, well done

>Yes, well done
Isn't it amazing how the proponents of the most anti-White ideologies and beliefs are Jews?

Immigration, homosexuality, feminism, communism, diversity, multiculturalism, gun control...all Jewish.

>anti-White and Jewish
>Jews can't be American (aka White)
What's the point in insisting that any particular ideology is tied to one particular race or religion? That doesn't make any sense.

>economic calculation problem
Never been much of a central planning person- maybe it will be viable in the future in which automation takes over the workforce, but I'd say worker's rights are a much more pressing issue

>What's the point in insisting that any particular ideology is tied to one particular race or religion?
Because the Jews are inherently anti-White.
Because the Jews are non-White.
Therefore, the Jews and their ideologies do not belong in White countries.

>That doesn't make any sense.
But being anti-White and pro-Jewish does make sense?

>I'd say worker's rights are a much more pressing issue
Interestingly, Trump has been dismantling worker's protections since coming to office. Gets almost no coverage though.

>It repealed an Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) rule requiring employers to keep accurate injury records

>repealed the Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces rule ensuring that federal contractors follow safety and labor laws

>scrapped more than a dozen rules from the OSHA and MSHA regulatory agenda, including standards on combustible dust, styrene, 1-bromopropane, construction noise, update of permissible exposure limits, and MSHA penalties and refuge alternatives in coal mines. In addition, the administration delayed the issuance of the new standard for cancer-causing beryllium and enforcement of the OSHA standard for deadly silica dust.

counterpunch.org/2018/02/20/the-trump-administrations-war-on-workers/

Hello friends, how is your evening going? I hope your discussion is going well.

>Hello friends, how is your evening going?
Fine, how are you?

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USSR was imperialistic
Prove me wrong

>Prove me wrong
It was Jewish. Explains why it was so evil.

>USSR was imperialistic
Stalin's whole deal was 'communism within one country'

>Stalin's whole deal was 'communism within one country'
And fucking Jews while having other Jews kill a whole buncha White people.

So he decided to invade other countries and exploite its people

Yeah, I guess your right. Trying to play devils advocate. I'm not a supporter of the USSR, though it wasn't as bad as Sup Forums would have you think

Stalin was closer to being based more than any othercommie leader
He turned his country from marxism to nazbol and then purged some kikes

>though it wasn't as bad as Sup Forums would have you think
Yeah...murdering tens of millions of people isn't anywhere near as bad as murdering hundreds of millions of people...

>Therefore, the Jews and their ideologies do not belong in White countries.
There's really no point in debating with you, you seem to have convinced yourself to believe in some racial hierarchy of ideology, an unsubstantiated one at that. I wish you the best.

It really disheartens me to know that so many working-class Americans have been duped into believing the republican party has their best interests in mind
There seems to be a common theme among republicans and democrats alike of voting away their rights (workers rights, 2nd amendment rights, first amendment rights) for false hopes of changes they don't really need

>Stalin was closer to being based more than any othercommie leader
Except for fucking kikes and killing Whites.

>He turned his country from marxism to nazbol
Still Jewish.

>and then purged some kikes
all the while making antisemitism a crime punishable by death.

Infertile herbivores with skinny jeans and no destiny or hope for the future tend to identify as commies. In reality, they're all under the age of 25 and work minimum wage jobs even though they're "college educated".

I am from lithuania
Post soviet country .
It was pretty shit believe me
There is a reason why my countrymen stood in front of soviet tanks
The reason why people here want it back is that everyone was corrupted and into black market(which was huge ). Now only polititians get to be corrupted
EU=USSR

>There's really no point in debating with you,
You can't refute my facts.

>you seem to have convinced yourself to believe in some racial hierarchy of ideology,
Society is a racial construct after all. That is a fact.

And the Jews are nothing but a cancer on the White race. That is a fact.

>an unsubstantiated one at that.
Yeah, because you wanting to genocide the White race somehow disproves my facts.

> I wish you the best.
No you don't. I'm a White, Heterosexual, Christian, Male National Socialist. You want me and everyone like me dead.

>It really disheartens me to know that so many working-class Americans have been duped into believing the republican party has their best interests in mind
They're idiots just like the ones that think that about the Democrat party.

>There seems to be a common theme among republicans and democrats alike of voting away their rights (workers rights, 2nd amendment rights, first amendment rights) for false hopes of changes they don't really need
Both the judeo political parties only care about one thing. Power. The Democrats want to destroy the White race to get it. The Republicans are fine with the White race being destroyed to get it.

>believing the republican party has their best interests in mind
The republican party is the party of big business first and foremost. However there aren't enough of them to vote. So you have the Republicans appealing to evangelicals and the working class to get the numbers. Make no mistake, its always big business first.

Mostly, we can let the markets solve the economic calculation problem. Where government intervention is thought to be needed or advantageous, modelling can be used to predict the economic effects.

>ITT

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.
/lefdibol/ raids /bol/ general - pasda spam and endorsedd rule violadions ebidion :DDD

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run

away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD

Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

Listing the things you don't like and calling them Jewish is not amazing at all.

What do lefty fags think of authoritarian with mixed economy? I.e nazi germanies economy

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>The U.S. Department of Agriculture defines food security as "access by all people at all times to enough food for an active, healthy life,” and in 2006, the year before the housing market stumbled, the USDA estimated that fewer than 10.9 percent of American households were food insecure. By 2009, that figure had spiked to 14.7 percent. And now? As of 2014, the most recent year on record, 14 percent of all American households are not food secure. That’s approximately 17.4 million homes across the United States, populated with more than 48 million hungry people.

theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/the-return-of-american-hunger/492062/

Kill yourself cancer

Why do you post fake Marx quotes and if white liberals actions are Anti-white why aren't Marx's actions Anti-jew? Nice to see you again friend

Is your only argument against Stalin that he was "jewish?" I'm not a tankie or anything, but still that's a pretty weak argument.

Unsubstantiated stereotypes, not really much of an argument against socialist theory.
>working minimum wage jobs even though they're "college educated"
How on earth is that their fault?

>And the Jews are nothing but a cancer on the White race. That is a fact.
If you believe that to be a fact then it is impossible for you to be telling the truth when you claim to be a Christian.

horrible.

i've made it halfway through this book, and so far it's explained a lot about why socialists nations have failed to meet the goals it sets out to accomplish.

I love these threads
>The rich are evil
>The government and big business are screwing us
>The banks must be brought to heel
>Mention that Jews have disproportionate control of these things and commies lose their minds
It walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and practices usury like a duck but god forbid you call it a duck in front of a commie

How
It turned a shithole country into one big war machine which needed an entire world to take down

my favorite though is this one, which explains economic disparity and prosperity and how it correlates to economic mobility and democratic freedom

I know a topic! Are people more divided by race or class?

I started my adult life homeless being kicked out of my broken home. I’ve been dirt poor a good portion of my life. Whenever I see wealthy socialites supporting mass immigration to import a modern slave class within my country and displace the workers of the country it makes my blood boil. I’ve never had an easy go of life and without any opportunities for higher education I’m stuck at the lowest rung of society. All my young friends are faced with the same lack of a future as well and where are all the low pay jobs being outsourced to? Not us. Well will not own houses in our lives and forget having a family not supported by a welfare program and most likely broken like mine. The foreign people allowed here are being exploited even worse than we are being neglected and this insanity makes me sick. The wealthy corporatists and the liberal open border types are two sides of the same coin strip mining the poor and underclass citizens

At least you notice that. Why do you choose natbol then and not natsoc?

Fuck you, ya Commie faggot. Your world is over.

you know were about to crash because the amount of debt they had. the reason they invaded was because they had so much debt.

>facts
Very funny...

>just like the ones that think that about the Democrat party
Absolutely right

>Both the judeo political parties only care about one thing. Power.
Power, sure, in the form of money and capital, but I think you're way overthinking this race thing

The U.S. government is so unbelievably saturated with corporate interests, both parties alike, I'm amazed that more people haven't become outraged over it

MAGAtard logic: We love Russia! But Commies and Marxist are evil.

?!?!?!?

....you guys are so fucking stupid it hurts.

race. economic classes are highly mobile and most people never stay in the same one for more than a decade. on average in capitalist society, the longer you stay in the labor force the better you get at navigating yourself through the workforce and increasing your wealth. this is why someone whose been working for 40 years will on average make more than a 16 year old with no experience who just started out. wealth disparity is an age gap in reality, and the good news is you don't stay the same age throughout life

Yeah but who cares that more Jews control those things. We want to get rid of the control from everyone. Race doesn't matter.

Race
You can always turn a poorfag into richfafg , but cant turn a nigger into a white man

>The analysis makes it clear that children born
into different economic circumstances can expect very distinct economic futures. The degree to which family
advantage is transmitted suggests that opportunities for economic success are very unequally distributed.
Although no one would be surprised that children from higher-income families enjoy some advantages, this
report reveals them to be dramatic. Given that these advantages likely arise from true inequalities of opportunity,
the results presented here underscore the importance of policy efforts to increase mobility in the United States.

web.stanford.edu/~pmitnik/EconomicMobilityintheUnitedStates.pdf

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

Will there be tendies in gulag?

Just for you user

another recommendation i have is the economics book, most people would find it boring to read plain text, but with this book it makes reading about economics more entertaining and has plenty of infographics to assist in its explanations, it reminds me of middleschool textbooks so it's good for someone whose just starting out in learning economics

:( no

then you could say these people are the problem correct?

They refused to pay reperations and debt , they paid it all they needed

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>Soulless, amoral sociopath takes control of something
>Bad shit happens
>Therefore the instrument used is to blame and must be destroyed
Thanks Rabbi. Also
>Get rid of control from everyone
Except from you of course right? Because we need people to usher in this glorious future you keep gushing on about and who better than you Communist visionaries? You can't get rid of power, you can only shift who holds it and every time I've spoken to Commies its apparent that their issue isn't that power is being misused its that they themselves don't hold it.

Praise the eternal goddess of equality!

Gaaaay

>Therefore the instrument used is to blame and must be destroyed
The instrument used isn't blamed. It's the people who own it. Jews, black, white. It's all the same. A problem.

>Except from you of course right?
The control is put into the hands of everyone except just in the hands of the "Jews". You would like that wouldn't you?

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I’m on the fence to be honest. I really like the investment into citizens that natsoc implemented and the attempt to raise all of the citizens up the the highest achievement level they are able to achieve and the more open upward mobility avalible based on merit within that ideology. If you help raise them to their highest productivity they contribute the most to society and allow them the most freedom of choice in how they want to contribute. I also recognize money as the largest religion in the world and the whole root of so many sicknesses within our world now as it is run. We are all propagandized to be consumer units and to base our self worth on what sort of frivolous Shit we can afford. It is a sick system

What’s up?

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I'm not going to read a Sup Forums nazi post with no sources. The economy was crashing and they invaded to gain resources.

I understand free market capitalism just as much as the next capitalist, I used to be a capitalist myself.
The criticism that I and many other socialists have isn't that free market capitalism doesn't work as an economic system, it's that it naturally lends itself to a divided society, in which the entrepreneurs, corporate owners, and law makers at the top have a more or less free reign of power over the workers they employ.
As a CEO or business owner under free market capitalism, you tend to (naturally) take priority over your profits rather than the quality of life of your workers. This is unjust.

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I think we should continue the talk on how we are going to solve the economic calculation problem. The only answer is Markets but tons of socialists don't see market socialism as socialism.

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>It's all the same
So your enemy is human greed and you think to defeat this evil that has haunted us for untold thousands of years by forcing everyone to share at gunpoint? You can't defeat a sin through economics you moron.
>Control is in everyones hands not just the Jews
First off Democracy was a mistake.Secondly the Jews have shown time and again that when given even a little power they will undermine their host nation and destroy it for personal gain. They will scheme and consolidate power so they can change the rules to their benefit not ours. A perfect example of this behavior is Communism.

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I agree that capitalists tend to be cunts no matter what race they are , but the owners created those companies , companies compete with each other and that is how tech progress is made. Having ultranationalism company owners can become your friends

Greed is the enemy but you can't get rid of greed. You just don't let greed be how society functions.

>by forcing everyone to share at gunpoint?
What do you think socialism is?

>First off Democracy was a mistake.Secondly the Jews have shown time and again that when given even a little power they will undermine their host nation and destroy it for personal gain. They will scheme and consolidate power so they can change the rules to their benefit not ours. A perfect example of this behavior is Communism.

I'm starting to see why my fellow comrades say just shoot Nazi's they will never change. I've been pretty liberal about my stance on it.

user was qouting books he had read
Ironicly enough you dont provide shit too

>try not to resort to ad-hominem attacks!
Don't tell me what to do faggot.

So you can't have companies competing with each other without a single private owner?

Additionally another great example of this Jewish subversion is the United States. The population has been balkanized to such a degree that all the votes, and power, has been put into the hands of a select few along the coasts. It is much easier to manipulate people like this in a multicultural society so by making all these races live together under the same roof you only do their job for them.

But you can't just move the control into everyone's hands. You forget that there are other people who will have more power and influence and gain a higher position over the people. As soon as the revolution happens there will be multiple parties of people with many different ideas who would want to seize the power. If your group happens to seize such power then you yourself would be ruling over a group of people, you are not equal to them. Thus the control would fall into your hands and not theirs. To add on to this, what would happen if a counter group of people with different ideas to you tries to seize your position? Would you kill them?

Democracy tries to curb this by providing the people to at least vote to elect some leader of their choosing but can result in mob rule even then.

Overall what I'm trying to say is that there will always be the rulers and those who are to be ruled, you can't avoid this and try to make everyone "equal" because equality itself is impossible with out a forceful government in the first place.

youtube.com/watch?v=tcNAV-IiTDM

looking at HDI, it improves slower under socialism than capitalism, when socialist nations go capitalist you even see a large surge in quality of life improving. in my opinion as long as there are people in charge marxism isn't viable and it won't be until sentient AIs can take over and remove the human factor from economic planning and politics that it will be a viable system, which will take at least a few more decades for the technology and probably much more time to gain acceptance of that system

The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy or just read the wikipedia page on Nazi Germany's economy.

I'm sure the books he posted were by reputable historians and not Nazi's who never finished high school.

>Don't let greed be how society functions
That is how it functions. That's how it's functioned since the dawn of man. If you really wish to change this you will need to achieve true post scarcity and abolish the concept of individuality.
>What do you think socialism is?
At best? Wishful thinking. At worst? Jewish scheming to destroy the very soul of humanity.
>Just shoot Nazis
>Implying anyone who doesn't agree with you and is aware of the Jewish issue is a Nazi
If I didn't already think you were a kike I would now. I fully support the Republic we have in the United States. The system itself is fine but it has been gunked up by bankers and Bolsheviks like yourself.

That is how things work friend
Company attracts its customers with new products.
Why does a socialist state need to different companies , which produce same goods . The definition of competition is that in the end one of the companies go to shit and other prevails
Stuff like that doesnt exist in socialist states

Why does Sup Forums only operate on the binary of Nazi or Communist

Democracy is too short term in a lot of respects to truly benefit the people of the nation. These short term politicians sell everyone out for their personal political win based solely on the current issues at hand and pandering to the lowest common denominator. They literally can not have any long term goals or objectives for the greater good as they are there and gone in a blink of an eye in terms of a country’s history. What happens to the lofty goals and aspirations that may take decades to complete when the most a slicked up politician can do is hold power for a short term? We get pumped and dumped every couple years and fucked with taxes that are used in programs we were never asked if we wanted to contribute to in the first place.