You guys are being pranked

It's the capitalists (business/corporation owners) who control us.
What is communism?: Workers own their workplaces(private property/means of production) indirectly through the state or directly via worker committees or trade unions.
Ask me anything

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/DEwCyfW9SZY
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

...

What is this supposed to mean to me?

...

>profits are evil

you sound retarded m8 , but i can't tell what side of retardation are you on

Why do we use profit as the determining factor for wanting to make something. It should be decided on how useful the product is to society.
Also, Labor creates everything around us but the working class is always the poorest class, isn't that strange?

Why do you think I'm here?

>Labor creates everything around us
ok now i see what side of the retardation are you on

LTV is plain wrong, this was proved several decades ago by multiple economists
those economists BTFO'd marx so hard he died without releasing the second and third editions of the capital
>Why do we use profit as the determining factor for wanting to make something. It should be decided on how useful the product is to society.
welcome to human action

Explain how LTV is wrong because I can't argue against nothing.
Labor theory value explains the price of goods when supply and demand are equal and there is nothing prohibiting the competition of capitalist firms.
Also: youtu.be/DEwCyfW9SZY

If human time is priceless or valuable or whatever value system you use, why do they serve masters that pay them so little in the first place, if they are indeed worth more? If you value yourself so little to work for parasites and continue to do so knowing it is not enough, then how is that not the fault of the individual? To fulfill daily needs right? But needs are scarce, they are not guaranteed and competition is fierce. The worker assumes minimum wage is something they deserve, or ceo wage or whatever. But there are billions of indians and chinese who would do the same work for a fraction of a price, ideology be damned.

You highly overestimate the cattle and their worth. They are completely replaceable. The ones at the top subverted the competitve environment, in the wild this is an apex predator. They do whatever they want, when they want because they are unmatched, unchecked. Now could the worker usurp their supremacy? Sure but that is a different discussion. At the end of the day life forms are miserable things, they do whatever it takes to survive. Whether that is parasitism or working for crumbs.

You say that those at the top are the top of human excellence? That they have awesome talent to get to where they are in life?
Without the common worker we would have nothing, we would be nowhere.

Never said that, they are nothing but hypocritical parasites hiding behind morality and laws and breaking them when convenient to preserve their own existence and further protected by the very working class you hold such high reverence for, the irony is palpable isn't it?

>Without the common worker we would have nothing, we would be nowhere.
Funny because the common worker wants nothing more then crumbs at the hands of parasites you so admonish. Your worship of the worker is nothing but a farce,blind faith. The worker does not feed you, the owner does not care about you. You can only provide for yourself and do whatever it takes when needed. Survival is most important. yet you somehow believe that the worker is your ally? They work for the parasite and feed him NOT you. Your ideals are nice but childish. In reality the worker serves his master with absolute reverence and harmony. And if not he is replaceable by billions more who care not of ideology, only survival.

A communists goal is to show the workers how they are the ones feeding the parasites at the top, and not the other way around. I hope to educate as many as I can even if it is meaningless.

i can't develop all the btfoing those economists did to LTV but i'll try to get you into the basics


>not all goods traded are result of labour
>just think of natural resources that don't have any labour put onto them but are traded anyways

>labour is NOT the only characteristic all things have in common
>just think about other characteristics just as their scarcity or the fact they are subjects of supply and demand

>labour doesn't give all things their value
>just think about art pieces or houses built by the same workers with the same building materials that don't have the same value because one is placed on NY and the other is in rural Texas
>also marx ignored the Time used to make something, time adds value too, just like some old wine that acquires its taste after 10 years of being stored

also, Menger, walras, jevons, marshal, clark, and several others utterly killed the LTV with the marginalist revolution

I see. Not my prerogative to tell you "you are wrong" or it is meaningless. This is however my opinion of it. These zombies are not worth the effort. It took me very long to realize humans are not equals. They constantly fight for a top position in a hierarchy because it is their nature. When times get rough, they stab each other in the back for immediate gains and gratification just to make is into the next 24 hours only to repeat the same cycle again. When times are good they can speak about ideals due to the excess they accumulated.

I do not believe salvation can exist in ideology. It ignore's genetic determination. The need to eat, sleep, shit and fuck. If you can solve those issues, those daily needs, then you surpass any thinker or philosopher or inventor that has existed in known history. You follow the same pitfall of the failures and ghost of the pasts. Their ideals never vanquished the genetic truth, the code that began this whole thing in the first place, the origin of our curse bound in the flesh. I wish you well on your journey nonetheless.

LTV isn't taken seriously in econ anymore since the marginalist revolution mate, i know you have good intentions but it's about time to realize that marxism has failed not only in practice, but in papers too

The workers aren't on your side. You are the bourgeoisie. You'll never get the workers because you care more about inflating the labor pool and state enforced homosexuality.

>Natural resources do take labor to first find
>They also take labor to extract

>Scarcity has to do with supply and demand
>Supply and demand demonstrate market prices
>S&D don't explain inherent value

>Art pieces and house don't have prices related
>To their labor value because of S&D

LTV explains the price of things when they are not held to the forces of supply and demand. It shows that labor is inherent to equilibrium prices.

The bourgeoisie are people who own the means of production i.e. workplaces such as offices,factories, etc.
I do not own any of those things and never aspire to.
>Communism is when the gubbermint does stuff
Sorry but the state doesn't even have to be involved with socialist theory. Look at Richard Wolff he explains how it could look.

"real" communism isn't real.
You give absolute power to the government to 'redistribute' the wealth.
Oh yea they will redistribute the wealth alright, one for you, one for me, fifteen for themselves.

Actually, the USSR did implement a sort of socialism. It brought an ass backwards country to a super power in no time.
But just like capitalist countries you can have varying amounts of government involved in production.

Nice try, bourgeoisie, but you need Internet to post, and obviously you have it and that means you're a bourgeoisie.

Damn, you got me
I'll just go back to exploiting my workers.