It has gone too far. Super Saiyan was a reasonable form. A Super Saiyan that has ascended beyond that of a Super Saiyan was acceptable. Super Saiyan 3 was a mistake, even the franchise shows this by making it useless.
I can accept Super Saiyan God. Become a Super Saiyan with God energy. Okay. I can accept Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. I don't understand how it's different but whatever.
Ultra Instinct doesn't make sense. He didn't do anything. He absorbed a spirit bomb.
You know who else absorbed a spirit bomb? Krillin. Did he become Ultra Instinct?
There is no precedence for this. It was not setup. It was not hinted at. It was not explained.
Super Saiyan has a legend. Super Saiyan 2 has backstory relating to Gohans hidden potential. Super Saiyan 3 is hand waived by being a form that required having infinite energy and a lifeless body in heaven to create, something that a mortal can't use.
shut the fuck up faggot. Dragonball is the greatest anime/manga in the world. Deal with it.
Kevin Garcia
I hear UI is explained in the manga but yeah I agree.
Alexander Mitchell
Ultra Instinct isn't a form, but a technique same way Kaioken isn't a form, but a technique.
Aaron Lopez
>He absorbed a spirit bomb. The genkidama was just a trigger. >There is no precedence for this. It was not setup. It was not hinted at. It was not explained. That's all wrong.
Ian Bell
OP posted the same thread yesterday
Just ignore SAGE
To change topics
WAKU WAKU KEKHANS READY FOR MORE UNIVERSE 6 ACTION ANG BONDING BETWEEN GODLIFILA AND GODKU? I sure am!
Hudson Johnson
Aww mate the next couple of episodes will be amazing. I wonder how much screen time C.uckhan will get? Proportionate to his importance I bet :^)
Jordan Reed
>He absorbed a spirit bomb.
The spirit bomb just provided the power so he could keep fighting, it didn't give him a new form. The Spirit Bomb just gave him enough juice he could keep fighting after obtaining Ultra Instinct.
>There is no precedence for this. It was not setup. It was not hinted at. It was not explained.
In anime? Yeah, it has one fucking line in the Return of F arc and that's it, it's downright fucking embarrassing how little they foreshadowed this. They have Whis give one throwaway line and that's just not mentioned until now, what the fuck.
Manga is way better, having it repeatedly discussed across several arcs and even shown in the attempted Beerus-Gangrape when the prepared the arena for the TOP.
>Ultra Instinct just happens.
As said, it's explained in the Manga as something even Gods struggle to perfect, Beerus doesn't have it down pat yet even.
Benjamin Ortiz
Anyone else want caulifila want to sit on their face?
Camden Hall
>genkidama faggot week
Adrian Thompson
hard to believe Naruto threads aren't allowed but this spic garbage is
Brayden Martinez
Being a gocuck fan must be painful. The last fight and real screentime they had was when he got his ass handed to buy a romba with googly eyes, bolla!
Grayson Wright
Beerus keeps talking about moving without thinking in the manga, so there's some build up. The power jump is a bit too ridiculous though.
Joseph Reed
is it that time of the thread again already?
Camden Morales
Just calling it as I sees it. Goku's wish will be to revive all of universe 6 for sure
Jaxon Cooper
I don't wanna defend the bullshit that is super bit did you even watch the episode? Tien himself makes your argument better than you did, Goku + a spirit bomb wasn't enough to beat Jiren, so Goku absorbing the spirit bomb shouldn't be enough either.
It was the near death experience that caused him to find the new form.
Julian Jenkins
if your going to post cauli then at least bring me her with spats
Oliver Cruz
>did you even watch the episode The japs sure as hell didn't.
Ryder Perez
>donutman is out next episode >Ribrianne is still in
Jeremiah Flores
Thanks caulibro, i need more pics for my folder
Jack Adams
>same exact post >same exact image sasuga
Ethan Baker
>I can accept Super Saiyan God Stopped reading there. Yet another ultra mode unlocked by a ritualm except this time with no kind of previus foreshadowing? Into the trash it fucking goes, BoG being made into anything but a non canon movie like all the previous ones was a mistake.
Kayden Sanchez
This love stuff has all been to look good in front of Heles, sooner or later she's gonna snap. Her first scene showed what she was like otherwise.
Adam Harris
DBS #88 (Piccolo and Gohan) 4.4 DBS #90 (Goku vs Gohan) 5.6
DBS #92 (CauliflaSSJ)4.9 DBS #93 (Berserker Kale)5.7 DBS #100 (Caulifla &Kale vs Goku)5.7 DBS #101 (Kale and Caulifla vs P.Troopers)5.0
DBS #103(Gohan vs Obuni)4.4 DBS #106(Gohan &Piccolo vs Universe 2)5.0 DBS #108(Gohan vs Frieza) 4.9
Gohan vs Caulifla ----Ratings
David Wright
Ultra instinct was so boring.
It had 2 cool moments which lasted under 1 minute then reverted back to a basic punch-kick-punch rotation while the rest of the time was taken explaining what the fuck was going on.
Shit.
William Hall
Apparently the special didn't do so well in Japan ratings-wise. Apparently it was due to being aired alongside a Kamen Rider special
Owen Sanchez
I actually liked when goku jobbed against jiren is SSGSS, the choreography was better, and not just boring slow mo evade with a fucking blur.
Samuel Watson
Legit the far better fight.
Christopher Mitchell
It's the worst rated episode.
Isaiah Clark
i posted it again XD
Sebastian Nelson
I wonder if it is because goku jobbed, or if they are just simply fed up with all the shit.
Ayden Cox
>most hyped episode has the worse ratings of the entire series You’ve met with a terrible fate, haven’t you?
Samuel Kelly
It was only really used in the last half of the second episode though. They did use some generic punching but it was still made to look different and more powerful with the flurries being more intense and lightning striking everywhere like when Beerus and Champa fought. They also probably needed to have lots of exposition on it or people would complain they didn't explain things well enough.
Jacob Reyes
It wouldn't have anything to do with the episode. People don't know what's in it before deciding to tune in. The drop in ratings are still inline with other shows so it doesn't have anything to do with Super specifically.
Austin Gray
Exactly this
Hunter Campbell
>They also probably needed to have lots of exposition on it or people would complain they didn't explain things well enough.
Yes I am sure that's the reason, not because it's several times less costly to have people sitting around and talking than it is to animate a fight.
James Kelly
Because of Kamen Rider and they're probably bored of watching this tournament.
Adrian Gonzalez
Hit will damage Jiren though.
Sebastian White
Well c'mon obviously that's part of the reason. They'll never make an episode that's 24 minutes straight of fighting and anyone who expects that should just stop watching. But they do need that exposition to explain things as evidenced by all the "MUH ASSPULLS" "MUH NO FORESHADOWING" that goes on here.
Kevin Brown
I remember people getting a lot more hyped for episode 67.
Logan Ortiz
Ratings in this context are based on the amount of people who viewed the show while it was airing and not a lot of people in Japan was watching Super on that day.
Chase Allen
66*
Kayden Perry
>not a lot of people in Japan was watching Super on that day Which is still weird considering all the advertisement they did for that episode.
Jeremiah Lopez
OP, are you new to Dragon Ball? Is anyone new here to it at all? Because Goku has ALWAYS ass pulled even in the non-serious Dragon Ball show.
>Master Roshi took a long time to do Kamehameha >Goku does it in one go
Come on now.
Asher Morales
The hype for this special seemed far higher than ever before. Just my subjective opinion though.
Jordan Allen
I'm still pissed they didn't foreshadow that.
Jack Torres
lets at least hope he actually puts up a good fight
Thomas Hughes
Oh, you don't remember that one throwaway line where whis said about body acting before conscious thought is formed in the brain?
Jeremiah James
is this a new pasta
Aaron Gray
>episode 115 will also be about u6 saiyans BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
KEKHAN ON SUICIDE WATCH
Jackson Cook
Episode 109 was better than 110 overall. No insert song but the genki dama theme was pretty great, less QUALITY and off model which were rampant on ep 110, way less info dumps, and better fights. Only downside is about 5 more minutes wasted in Ribrianne keepig Goku and the audience occupied with their fight that doesn't go anywhere.
Brayden Jenkins
They still managed to explain nothing important despite half of the episode being exposition and staring.
How would raw energy unlock a technique where your muscles instantly counterattack? Why is "self movement" an insane power boost/transformation? Shouldnt he be using that technique on top of SSB to fight Jiren? Where was Goku after the black genki hole swallowed him? Not even El Grande Padre could detect him. How is UI faster than Dyspo but slow enough that Piccolo and 17 can track his movements? GoDs couldnt follow Dyspo.
Not to mention all the stupid shit prior to that like both U2 and U7 clearly cheating without no one raising an eye. You're telling me if someone like Vegeta for example is down, he can transfer all his energy to his standing members, eat a senzu, repeat? Kakunsa even used an item from the stands to buff Ribrianne. Just replace one Zeno wakuwaku with a rule change, its not hard.
Christian King
Well Super for a while had a pretty rough start from what with inconsistent animations and the likes and Kamen Rider which aired a special at the sametime is a very popular franchise that's even talked about on Sup Forums sometimes.
Case and point, Japan is more interested in Kamen Rider
Lincoln Jones
Source or kiero.
John Garcia
Herms twitter.
Ian Brown
>A Super Saiyan that has ascended beyond that of a Super Saiyan was acceptable Was it really? Compared to UI?
John Diaz
I'm not watching or reading DBS, but didn't Goku absorb a spirit bomb in the Super Android 13 movie? Did Toriyama retroactively make that movie canon?
Sebastian Roberts
I really like Kamen Rider so I completely understand why they'd rather watch it instead of Super
Wyatt Walker
You can say it was foreshadowed early on in Z.
Leo King
HOW DARE THEY MAKE MYSTIC A JOBBER FORM
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HIS TURN
ITS NOT FAAAAAIIIIR
EL BLANCO HOMBRE WILL COME FOR YOU GRANDE PADRE
Caleb Richardson
>Go there >literally nothing As expected of cauliturds Also, herms is not a reliable source. Reminder that according to him both universes 6 and 7 would have 8 fighters for their roster at the start of ep 109.
Nicholas Jones
It's sort of different. Goku was simply using the energy from the genki dama as a temporary energy source but it was the clash between his energy and the explosion that allowed him to unlock his deeper potential.
Blake Myers
Oh I thought OP was talking about Blue. Which is why I was wondering why he thought it was okay but not UI.
Luis Thompson
Fine, then I'll link a reddit post. It's your fault though.
Nah mate, it still is your fault for posting it. >using r*ddit as a source Caulitrash fags sure are dumb.
Andrew Lewis
>people still pissed over the caulifag v.s gohanfag war. its going to die down once we get to the next arc and have new fags
Jose Green
It was foreshadowed in the manga.
Angel Long
T-TAKE THAT BACK!
CHADHAN DOES'NT JOB AS BAD AS JOBGETA
ITS HIS TUUUUUURN
Sebastian Butler
Blue is fine if it became their way of going God mode without needing the ritual. What isn't explained is why Goku can go God mode without the ritual later. Or why he'd want to.
Luke Jenkins
Primal Fury is the final straw.
It has gone too far. Super Saiyan was a reasonable form. A Super Saiyan that has ascended beyond that of a Super Saiyan was acceptable. Super Saiyan 3 was a mistake, even the franchise shows this by making it useless.
I can accept Super Saiyan God. Become a Super Saiyan with God energy. Okay. I can accept Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Ultra Instinct is a state of mind, kind of like "The Zone" in sports. It's a bit of an ass pull. I don't understand how it's different but whatever.
Primal Fury doesn't make sense. He didn't do anything. He lost consciousness, but still had the will to fight.
You know who else got unconscious and continued fighting? Goku, back in DBZ. Did he trigger Primal Fury?
There is no precedence for this. It was not setup. It was not hinted at. It was not explained.
Super Saiyan has a legend. Super Saiyan 2 has backstory relating to Gohans hidden potential. Super Saiyan 3 is hand waived by being a form that required having infinite energy and a lifeless body in heaven to create, something that a mortal can't use. The God forms are explained to a degree.
Even Ultra instinct was something the gods had to train for.
Primal Fury just happens. It's shit.
--- It's rinse and repeat as usual user, sorry.
Christian Garcia
The anime foreshadowed mastery of self movement harder than the manga foreshadowed Hakai.
Julian Jackson
This. Toei is so incompetent they managed to waste fuckloads of screentime during half an year by being busy making Blue a total jobber transformation while neglecting the actually important development towards Goku's new form. Embarassing and also an unforgivable error on their part. Even worse is that Toeiturds will still try to defend this anyways.
Michael Watson
I think they said it is not as stamina consuming as blue.
Justin Gutierrez
Do you watch dragonball or even shonen in general because logic? Also, you can bet your ass it's gonna get worse.
Zachary Moore
They have all the sources if you want to look yourself. Have some agency for once, tard.
Cooper Brooks
>gohan vs goku
CHADhan always wins baby
Evan Clark
Toriyama is a fucking hack: >Toriyama gives SSGSS shitty blue hair because >even tho white hair would be cooler, Zamas was planned to have white hair.
Then >Toriyama gives Mystic Gohan a shitty aura Because >Even tho aura-less Gohan looks cooler , Goku was planned to have a similar form.
HOW CAN HE KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS???
Cooper Wilson
ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR
Michael Hill
This is the zone
Dylan Campbell
>people actually searching for tv ratings >caring about tv ratings Am I on /asp/?
Juan Jackson
>gohanfags just shut the fuck up
Wyatt Cooper
TORIYAMA NEEDS TO STOP!
Zachary Diaz
THE DONUTS
Lucas Kelly
>OP can't even understand an anime as simple as Dragon Ball
Sup Forums has hit new lows. It's people like you that are the reason why Shonen have so much useless dialog. You people can't understand anything or think for yourself. You need to be spoonfed everything, and when you're not, you bitch like this.
>not setup
Literally was, from the manga, to the RoF movie, to the implication when Jiren dodged those Kachin blocks that he himself can do it.
>absorb the spirit bomb All that did was keep his body going. That wasn't the source of his power. That is LITERALLY EXPLAINED IN THE EPISODE.
Benjamin Ramirez
>Doesn't understand how ratings work
It has nothing to do with the quality of content, dumbass. It's all based on how many people are watching Super as opposed to watching all other content on at the time.
For example, Oprah has great ratings, but shit viewership. Why? Because she has a high percentage of the people watching AT THE TIME she's on, which is during the week day.
Jace Sanchez
>from the manga, to the RoF movie, to the implication when Jiren dodged those Kachin blocks that he himself can do it. None of these happened in Toei's shit anime and are on different mediums. Also, you may have meant Vegetto instead of Jiren there.
Cameron Adams
>Hitcucks
Justin Rogers
No, I meant Jiren. He barely had to move to dodge the blocks right before the tournament, when they're putting the arena back together. Just like Goku was just walking through Toppo's shots.
Grayson Cooper
That's another thing, since when has stamina loss been a problem?
Jonathan Watson
Since the Champa tournament, but they don't give a fuck about it until it becomes convenient
Blake Brooks
Fine. But please explain why Mystic Gohan suddenly has a fucking Aura and Goku UI has no aura and is his basic normal form???? PURE COINCIDENCE RIGHT???
Or Maybe Toriyama is running out of ideas and STEALING abilities and concepts that looked cool on CHADhan?
Adam Wilson
Who the fuck watches Super for Hit?
Bentley Robinson
Because he's the super cool assassin tch nothing personnel kid type, some people can't get enough of that.
Ian Morales
Soon
Jonathan Morris
old news, buddy
John Cruz
manga does not have this problem
Asher Ramirez
That was my point in bringing it up. I know they mentioned it way back when during the Cell saga, but after that things just get weird and it isn't brought up again until Frieza's Golden Form.