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I've always been for harsher penalties for these degenerates, as well as harsher penalties as a whole. Dealers and users all deserve to die.
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Trial ends, get the chair the next day. No wasted money on incarcerations.

He's... uh... still not trying to stop the CIA, is he?

Why attack the supply, when you can attack the demand? Drug seekers get way too much pass in drug law, raising the demand for drugs thus causing the supply to come in. Making it harsher on suppliers isn't going to stop some lucrative businessman from supplying the demand. For a higher price this time because the government is cracking down on him.

Because it's a simple matter of efficiency. The big dealers are the bottleneck. Taking out one dealer can force 1,000 users to go clean, at least for a time.

Holy fuck you're scum
>inb4 b-b-b-but drugs are diffffeeeerrrrreeeeeeeeeeennnttt
All of this when you could solve the problem by just ending the drug war, which would eliminate over the border drug traffic overnight as send many Mexicans home within the next decade or less, as the primary source of income for the Cartels is, shocker, illicit drug shipments to the US. But hey, you don't want them gone, do you? Youre probably one.

As much as I would like to believe this, can you show proof? There's so many drugs in this country already, that someone can pay more to get someone else's script. Also there's the cases where dealers sold users bunk but because of the placebo effect they still paid and felt they got something.

>ending the drug war, which would eliminate over the border drug traffic overnight
You may want to elaborate on that unless you are ok with sounding retarded

Just when I thought I couldn't like Trump more.

Punish them,

Youre obviously the fucking retard. I want you to sit for there for just a moment, and explain to me why ANYONE, I repeat ANYONE, would buy Mexican shack drugs if Pfizer was making pure heroin and coke for half the price a gram and you could get it at Walgreens.

"You know what you have to do, President Trump"

You will never stop the drug problem until you punish the drug BUYERS.

Start giving a highly publicized death penalty to anyone who buys illegal drugs. The cartels will dry up in months.

TRUMP GOT STUMPED, ONCE

THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF DRUG ABUSE TO CREATE A JUNGLE ATMOSPHERE
Drug use would he increased. Alcohol use would be increased. Law enforcement efforts against drugs would be increased. On first hearing that it sounded like a contradiction. Why increase drug abuse and simultaneously increase law enforcement against drug abuse? But the idea is that, in part, the increased availability of drugs would provide a sort of law of the jungle whereby the weak and the unfit would be selected out. There was a statement made at the time: "Before the earth was overpopulated, there was a law of the jungle where only the fittest survived. You had to be able to protect yourself against the elements and wild animals and disease. And if you were fit you survived. But now we've become so civilized - we're over civilized - and the unfit are enabled to survive only at the expense of those who are more fit." And the abusive drugs then, would restore, in a certain sense, the law of the jungle, and selection of the fittest for survival. News about drug abuse and law enforcement efforts would tend to keep drugs in the public consciousness. And would also tend to reduce this unwarranted American complacency that the world is a safe place, and a nice place.

>inb4 raciss against niggers and spics

So big pharma ceo's and pain managment "doctors" are goint to get lethal injection and electric chair? I can get behind this.

>death penalty for drug dealers
SHEEEEEIIIIT

BIG PHARMA GETTING LINE UP ON THE WALL CONFIRMED!

Really just sell adderall and vicodin on the open market. Why escalate to heroin when you can buy exactly what you're addicted to at walgreens? People would stop at pills instead of furthering themselves into injecting the stuff.

I prefer the term freedom specialist and death was always on the table.

SOUNDS LIKE TRUMPS GONNA HANG SOME NIGGERS

I know a Marine vet who was just busted making and dealing meth and the guy is white. He is a fucking idiot though and the death penalty could do him a lot of good unlike serving in the Marines.

>The cartels will dry up in months.
>people actually believe this
Youre going to end up executing people who were either productive and tax paying, or people who would literally sell their child for a couple doses. This will not stop the drug problem. If shit like this worked why didn't we just draw and quarter all drinkers 9,995 years ago and solve alcoholism? Morons.

Meth is a white man's drug. Lets you be productive and nation-building for days on end.

So Trump wasn't just shitposting when he was praising Deutere?

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BASED AF THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN!!!!!

>Youre going to end up executing people who were either productive and tax paying, or people who would literally sell their child for a couple doses.

Productive, tax paying criminals are still criminals.
This idea that the only thing we care about is tax dollars and GDP is fucking bullshit.

I want to get rid of people who are funding mexican drug cartels.

That includes absolute degenerates who would sell their children. Yes, we should kill them. They're worthless. These people only exist in the first place because of the prevalence of illegal drugs on our streets. They are a consequence of the drug culture that is created by powerful cartels.

Anyone who buys illegal drugs is betraying our society for their own purposes. They are funding a social cancer.

>just sell Adderall and Vicodin on the open market
>missing the whole point
The point is that so long as people feel compelled to do these drugs they will. Also Id wager to say that pure heroin would be less cancerous. Ive only ever worked with one heroin addict and he kept it at home and always came in sober and chipper. No blown veins, said he always used clean needles. Pill heads, not so. They come in dope out, snort lines at work etc etc. Most of the negative health effects of heroin come from it prohibition anyway. People get dirty heroin, dirty needles, their dosages are inconsistent because their product is cut, leading to all kinds of problems. I feel that if it was sold pure and in guaranteed dosages many problems could be avoided.
>Adderall
if youre gonna sell Adderall OTC you might as well just sell meth anyway. Theyre almost the same but meth gives you the jitters and Adderall doesn't. Plus most people would just switch to MDMA anyway, better drug.

Seems to work for Singapore.

CIA Nigger boomer isn't based. Mind your own life and don't step on someone's, fucking drumpf commie.

>legalize slavery, that way human trafficking will stop!
>legalize CP, this will stop the exploitation of children by pedo gangs!

>I want to get rid of people who are funding mexican drug cartels.
so legalize drugs and let american companies manufacture and sell them

no more drug cartels.

>be weed dealer
>kind, fair prices, peace loving hippy
>get death penalty

How many people will risk dealing drugs knowing they're gonna get the noose. You don't need facts it's common sense. Of course there will be those who don't care but now smaller dealers, even those under suspicion or intent to distribute will flip easier. You either die in prison definitely or flip and have a second chance.

>no more drug cartels.
But you've failed to solve the social ills caused by the prevalence of these drugs.
In fact, your "solution" increases the problem of degeneracy.

But drugs don't harm anyone but the users, you fucking imbecile.

Volenti non fit injuria - to a willing person, injury is not done

yeah you might as well be a murderer for a living. That what I would do.

>criminals
Whats the crime fucknut? Prohibition falls outside the jurisdiction of Federal government. Just cause youre a bootlicking Europhile doesn't mean the rest of us are. Explain how its any different than alcohol prohibition.
>I want to get rid of people who are funding mexican drug cartels.
which would be the people who purchase wholesale from the cartels, not the street level pushers and dopers
>That includes absolute degenerates who would sell their children.
Good thing this is already a crime you can prosecute.
>These people only exist in the first place because of the prevalence of illegal drugs on our streets
Crock of shit. Drugs have existed since the dawn of man. Id say this is neanderthalic thinking, but that would be unfair to Neanderthals who were probably smarter than that
>ooga booga more drugs more drug people
>ban drugs no more drug people ooga booga
And then we can ban guns to eliminate gun crime afterwards. We totally didn't try both of these things in conjunction at the start of the 20th century. It totally didn't create more alcoholics, create gangs, and create violence from nothing.
>Anyone who buys illegal drugs is betraying our society for their own purposes. They are funding a social cancer.
>Anyone who buys illegal guns is betraying our society for their own purposes. They are funding a social cancer.
>Anyone who buys illegal milk is betraying our society for their own purposes. They are funding a social cancer.
>Anyone who buys illegal toilet paper is betraying our society for their own purposes. They are funding a social cancer.
>Anyone who buys illegal books is betraying our society for their own purposes. They are funding a social cancer.
>Anyone who buys illegal video games is betraying our society for their own purposes. They are funding a social cancer.

Fuck off and die
Hippy scum

This is moot. Most crimes are prosecuted by states and you know most states won't go for this.

>I feel that if it was sold pure and in guaranteed dosages many problems could be avoided.
This is exactly what I'm advocating. I always look at the label for how much caffeine I'm getting from any source. I'm guessing the pill-heads you're talking about had a previous prescription so they thought they could take the drug with impunity.

Brain scans are gonna make violent crimes obsolete. The shit you see in mob movies is entertainment now.

Everybody has to live in a society with the degenerates. They make the society worse. They create the conditions where crime and violence can flourish because they are so messed up.

I refer you to a post above:
>Youre obviously the fucking retard. I want you to sit for there for just a moment, and explain to me why ANYONE, I repeat ANYONE, would buy Mexican shack drugs if Pfizer was making pure heroin and coke for half the price a gram and you could get it at Walgreens.
If one can get their fix cleanly, without breaking the law, and cheaply, then there is far more likelihood that they will be a functional addict. The average Victorian had a laudanum habit, but that didn't stop the Victorians getting things done, big time.

Yes, sobriety uber alles

kys fucking totalitarian leaf

Make executions public for stronger effect. Can also sell tickets and benefit the budget.

You wouldn't be a hippy if you didn't have weed? You can love all the peace you want but when you break the law of the land you reside in you are actively going against those beliefs regardless of how you feel i.e "Oh it should be legal, god and stuff, just trees man"

Why is he such a weeping mother-cucked social activist?

And things that dont harm anyone but the users are the most dangerous by far. You're more likely to kill yourself than be killed by anyone else. American white families are being hit hard by the opioid epidemic. Entire communities are being destroyed by heroin and other drugs - a good deal of them i might add, are legal.

And it's not even about that. Drug dealers are scum, they are involved in organized crime which leads to the suffering of many. A good deal of the nacro-drug trade comes from the columbian FARC and other commies. If we would legalize drugs they would just move on to trafficking other things.

Which goes to show the extent of your drug problem and the reason for harsher penalties. You're not helping anyone by being a retard

You're kidding right? Shit like opium wrecked the productivity of entire countries. You should, you guys fought like 3 wars to keep pushing it in Asia.

It's one things to smoke weed or get addicted to cigarettes. It's another to have legal meth or heroin. That shit really sucks you up.

You can't be productive and tax paying if you are a drug user. Any legitimate contributions are null the second you hand a dealer money

Should know*

Just having the option will make it easier to get convinctions if suspects refuse to co-operate

could of went home with three strippers for couple hundred bucks. this is not economical.

maybe it creates larger shitholes everywhere else with the price margin

What has this board become

youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1nxu-Sy-w

Remember when the thought of a sugar tax was a joke

> I think drugs should be legal
> Therefore i think drug dealers who murder people and finance other criminal activities should be left alone

Now this is the type of thinking that is gonna get you places. Just thinking about the economic stimulus is exciting

Except those are crimes that harm other peoples you bumbling Baltic potato fucker.
>But you've failed to solve the social ills
Which incidentally is no different than the effects of prohibition. The difference is unlike with prohibition the problem wont get particularly worse. It wont give criminals more money, it wont feed the prison pipeline creating swathes of new dependents
>caused by the prevalence of these drugs.
Wrong. Drugs are a symptom. That's like suggesting that reason youre sick is because your nose is running.
>just blow your nose and you'll get better, duh
> your "solution" increases the problem of degeneracy.
One, making any argument this way is painful to hear. Its the most baseless argument possible. Explain why legalization is materially detrimental to the well being of society and individuals if that's the point you want to make. Except if you leave the refuge of slinging "degenerate" at everything you don't like, you'd realize drugs don't make degenerates, and prohibition doesn't stop these people from doing drugs. All prohibition does is take people out of the workforce and waste tax dollars. Fucking millions of nonviolents sitting in prison on YOUR DIME so Bayer and Pfizer can hawk subpar (((FDA Approved))) garbage to children? No fucking thanks

>You should, you guys fought like 3 wars to keep pushing it in Asia.
Because of profits, you tit. Do you deny that the Victorians were very productive? Or the ancient Egyptians, famous for constantly being high on opium and drunk at the same time?

>It's one things to smoke weed
Weed fucks you up.

So take dealers out of the equation.

just makes me respect weed dealers more. The shit they have to put up with because of the other harsher hardcore drugs like pharmaceuticals.

Didn't legal meth gives us the Third Reich?

Again, the vast majority of crimes are prosecuted by states, but the federal government. The federal government instituting the death penalty for drug crimes wouldn't do much unless New York, Texas, Ohio, etc, use it too. Many of these states don't even use the death penalty anymore.

>user dies
>dealer gets life or the chair

You're fucking idiot if you don't see that penalization of drugs is causing criminality. Exactly same thing happened when alcohol prohibition was introduced in 1920.

Cartels should be ground into paste. What of it?

The reason they murder and finance other illegal activities is because drugs are illegal.

Name me a legal business that murders its competitors.

Victorian England had an underclass of drug users that wasn't productive at all. Victorian London was full vagrants and seedy areas where nothing go done. Youre distorting history. There's a reason opium was banned.

And that's without even taking into account that people are much more productive now.

And my point is that it wrecked China's productivity.

So the seller got the buyer to buy on a product that they thought they wanted but never needed.

Lay's slogan is "betcha can't eat just one". Why can Lay's chips get away with this but addictive drugs can not? How do you measure whether something is too addictive and thus must be controlled by the state?

Politics

>Prohibition falls outside the jurisdiction of Federal government.
No it doesn't. Where are you getting that idea?
The difference between this and alcohol is that we aren't yet so infected with drug culture as we are with drinking culture. We can still maybe avoid having a society which embraces all forms of degeneracy.

>which would be the people who purchase wholesale from the cartels, not the street level pushers and dopers
It's both. It's a distribution chain.

>Good thing this is already a crime you can prosecute.
"Would sell your child" isn't a crime... and really their children are bound to be degenerates like they are. There's no reason we need to wait around for these subhumans to destroy our society. We can be a bit pro active when we see they are subhuman traitors to our country.

>Drugs have existed since the dawn of man.
If you think this is a rebuttal, you misunderstood what i said.

>And then we can ban guns to eliminate gun crime afterwards.
Gun rights are a part of our government's system of checks and balances. Getting high in your basement is not.

inb4 B-BUT DRUGS ARE DIFFERENT BBBBBUBHHH

nevemrind that alcohol is one of the hardest drugs out there

Weed doesn't really fuck you up unless you're a 420 BLAZE IT everyday kind of guy. But the same could be said of alcohol.

Stuff like meth and heroin legit causes addiction and cravings. It's much harder to get that with weed or alcohol.

This makes me so happy.

They are different. You can't say the effect of alcohol is the same as the effect of meth.

You think weed is not a hardcore drug because you've been conditioned by the shit you read. All the bullshit I hear potheads talk about the system and brainwashing. It's actually really funny because here in reality, constant fucking with the chemicals your brain produces with any drug, will fuck you up just the same. Your body doesn't know the difference between an overload of dopamine via crack, cigarettes, video games or pot. It's all the fucking same.

>killing people fro selling drugs
Literally third world laws

>p-prohibition doesn't work
Prohibition actually did work, alcohol consumption went down and organized crime wasn't particularly helped by it. (Source : ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/)
>dr-drugs are just a symptom
Drugs are a symptom of an unhealthy society, sure, but throwing drug use, drug gangs, etc. into a society is like throwing oil into a burning building. Look what happened to Qing China, Australian Aboriginals, Native Americans, Latin America, Africa, etc. after drugs were introduced into their societies. Drugs are, objectively, bad for society, therefore they should be banned.

I mean, it just has to be there as an option

You really don't know how drugs function do you. They don't all cause the same reactions on the body, or the same level of responses.

But the effect of weed is the same as meth? Worse than alcohol? Fucking hypocrite. "It's okay to drink murr drugs!"

>penalization of drugs is causing criminality
The problem is that we aren't attacking the source of the organized crime syndicates. We are attacking the low IQ, eminently replaceable dealers when we should be attacking the source of their profits.

If we make it very risky to BUY the drugs, normal upstanding citizens won't participate in that.
Thus the cartels will simply collapse due to lack of income.

I believe alcohol should be banned as well, the strawman you're using of being a "hypocrite" doesn't always work druggie

Ah yes, because Singapore is more "third world" than Guatemala, right? Fuck off, letting drugs control society leads to third world-status nations, not the other way around.

Weed isn't as bad as meth. I never said that. Meth is worse than both weed and alcohol.

Why do you take someone's right to kill himself, litchuinia faggot? Your country should be again invaded by Russia, because your potato head is still filled with commie totalitarian bullshit. I don't fucking care about other people - it's their life and they should know how to control it. If they don't know, then rope or suicide by cop is waiting.

We cant actually attack the organized crime syndicates, because the organized crime syndicate is the CIA.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

Smoked weed everyday for 15 years. Quit 3 months ago because my new job has drug testing. Make money, pay taxes, never hurt nobody. I'm totally fine. Don't be so fucking closed minded y'knob

You can't say the effect of morphine is the same as meth either. What is the relevance?

My panic attacks started when I first got stoned. They're still with me today, 15 years later. I also have this constant dreamlike feeling ever since, and it's not nice being unable to get back to normality. Weed isn't some babby drug, it's a powerful psychoactive.

Because lays chips aren't a criminalised substance, not yet anyway.
You deal drugs you don't pay taxes, you don't pay taxes the system breaks down worse than it is. Then you go complain to your friends the system is fucked and doesn't work and how they should all deal weed.

Get the picture?

Fucking this. Never forget the 3 B's. The 3 things that if you get too addicted to you could die if you quit cold turkey. Those are: booze, barbiturates, and benzodiazepines.

>muh commies!

That's one of them.
Still, even that would be solved by making people not want to buy the drugs.

Duterte had the right idea. I'll always respect him for that.

Soon pedos

Legalize all drugs then. Anyone who decided to take them deserved it considering we had an entire year of all the negative effects of taking drugs in high school.

At least we can agree on that. I quit drugs because my new job has drug testing. I do miss them, but it hasn't turned me into some slathering fucking idiot. I've always worked, always contributed to society. Don't believe tarnish everyone with the same brush. People that genuinely believe in stereotypes need get out & meet more people

Yep, that's how things are.

>we can just socially engineer the problem away!

>when you break the law of the land you reside in you are actively going against those beliefs
what beliefs?
>"Oh it should be legal, god and stuff, just trees man"
Americans have an ethical and legal obligation to disobey unjust laws
>And things that dont harm anyone but the users are the most dangerous by far
Balt thinking, ladies and gentlemen
>You're more likely to kill yourself than be killed by anyone else
Good, suicide is for the weak whether by addicts or the unstable. Let the weak cull themselves
>American white families are being hit hard by the opioid epidemic
And its still the least of their worries. Their shcools are a sham that dont teach the kids shit, theyre not getting or staying married and theyre not shooting for upward mobility. Drugs are a symptom, not a cause. You'd have to be braindead or a jewish shill not to admit this.
>a good deal of them i might add, are legal.
>Im gonna make a whole big argument and then fucking dismantle instanteously on my own
Are baltics all this stupid, or are you some sort of exception?
>Drug dealers are scum
The cashier at walgreens is not
>they are involved in organized crime which leads to the suffering of many.
The cashier at walgreens is not
>they would just move on to trafficking other things.
Probably. Not here though. What would they traffick? Soap? No, they'd traffick groceries into Venezeula because narcotics and firearms are the only profitable things to traffick in the US, cause we can get everything else here.
And yet not Europeans ones, where the drugs were simply sold in stores and not pushed down the throats of the people actively by outside forces. Really makes me think hmmm...
>It's another to have legal meth or heroin. That shit really sucks you up.
So do alcohol, xanax and benzos.

As obsessed as Americans are with civil liberties, you sure love letting your government literally murder you.