I've had something on my chest the last few days and wanted somewhere to air it out where I won't presumably be judged. I had my peak trans moment.
Prior to that I was pretty pro-trans rights, I was rocking with a lot of what they were saying, however the other day I witnessed a pre-op transwomen arguing with a biological women about the merits of womanhood and it didn't feel right. Seeing trans folk call women who post vaginas transphobic and misogynist... a group of women with penises... and It just baffled me. Than I read about the cotton ceiling and autogynephilia and I coudn't take it anymore.
What is the end game of transactivism? They're creating a sense of ambiguity around gender/sex that has bad real life implications. How is it a problem to understand transwomen and women have different needs and experiences. A man who transitioned has no say in female empowerment.
Now look, I am very left leaning socially. Even economically I believe in socialism as a viable system, however understand that its nearly impossible to implement due to the spread of western capitalism. But, I have found my red line, and don't know what can reverse that course of action.
We dont agree on much especially in terms of woman suffrage and race, but god do we agree on transactivism being a fucking issue for the broader picture at hand. So I ask, what the fuck do we do? How can we establish a real working model and not one that requires them to use circular reasoning for even the simplest question like "what is a woman?"
I agree with what you're saying OP. We should kill them all
Hunter Young
I don't condone murder but I think it's time we take a step back and examine the situation.
Like these people might seriously be mentally ill.
Easton Allen
So you're saying we should round them up and exterminate them?
Benjamin Walker
Trans people need to accept the fact that they aren't "real" men or women even if they live their lives looking and acting like them. A lot of this and other identity issues with people just seem like poorly shielded excuses for narcissism. Not all trannies are like this, but the most vocal ones are always the worst.
Jacob Perry
It's power. From the postmodern View it doesn't matter if anything they're saying is correct or reasonable. Its that they're saying anything. In what kind of world does a mentally ill person like that have anyone listening to them in the past those people would have been filthy on the streets high on drugs people wouldn't even toss them a couple coins now they're the center of attention. And these people want Power. the only thing that matters is power. It used to be in the hands of biological women who were fit and attractive on evolutionary standards. and now even by having a discussion with the Trans person, the power is being placed into the hands of someone who is a disgusting degenerate evolutionary waste. Just look at all the fat disgusting and stupid Dykes in University. And I've hung out with tons of them they are stupid. you have to be of low IQ to be a dyke and you also have to be low in a verbal efficiency. like they have a dumb mouth. So these are the people that want to reconstruct gender because under the old gender dynamic they are on the bottom. they are evolutionary dead-ends they're disgusting stupid and low-functioning in this world of course they're going to want to restructure the dynamic into a format to where they are not at the bottom and where they can get special privileges for being insane. where they can promote an ideology which allows them to tell genetically Superior people what to do, what to say. Just look at it like a black woman in STEM. basically her career is just being her demographic in that field. she doesn't have to contribute anything or be held to the same standard as anyone else. So for those that can't meet the standards they obviously want to destroy standards.
Kevin Butler
>these people might seriously be mentally ill. There's no "might" about it. Serious mental illness has been the justification for authorization of surgery to destroy healthy, normal genitals. There may once have been a good-faith belief that changing the body and appearance would fix the mental illness, but the data's been in for a while: the other manifestations of mental illness don't go away after they "transition".
Julian Watson
>How can we establish a real working model and not one that requires them to use circular reasoning for even the simplest question like "what is a woman?"
Again this is a misdirection. Because they don't care what a woman is they care how one can wield power by being a woman. They care how one can gain influence and privilege by being a woman. Can one gain privilege and influence by being an attractive woman? How attractive? Obviously the answer to that question in the past is yes. so they have attractive women wearing hideous clothes shaving their heads doing all types of things that are objectively unattractive. These actions gain power and influence for those that are outside the old Dynamic of attractiveness. I suppose Caitlyn Jenner is proof that this game works because that motherfucker made possibly hundreds of millions of dollars by just becoming a trans woman. I'm not going to lie if I knew for a guarantee, that I could become extraordinarily rich just by becoming trans... I would probably think about it very hard. So I guess the answer is what do we value? where should our attention go? if we value degenerate money-grubbing evolutionary dead-ends, then our attention should go towards them and they will gain power because of that. if our attention should go to objectively attractive women who are intelligent and want to give birth to a generation of strong individuals, then our attention should go there. Any discussion with a trans person is giving power to that trans person if you absolutely refuse to engage with them in any sense they cannot possibly gain any power.
Jordan Green
That's the thing, and why I'm still pro-trans rights, it's not all of them.
But the loud ones are the most heard and creating the structures at play.
The problem lies in the fact they don't want to accept they're not biological women, and are the same.
Levi Allen
Trans is a meme duh There are gays, straights and Bisexuals. All of the rest are memes.
One interesting thing I found during my research was that most trans people still exclusively try to date and are attracted to biological men and women and that is very telling that it is a fetish and not a real world phenomenon.
Jonathan Baker
>Nothing mentally ill about men who want to fuck men instead of women.
It's a pharmaceutical scam mostly, much like the ADHD craze of the earlier 2000's. It appeals to jewish ideologies hence it's being pushed so aggressively.
Matthew Phillips
>Literally did not say anything on this topic.
But if you insist. Research shows homosexuality among males occurs not only in kingdom mammalia but in other animal classes as well. Correlation=/= Causation. There can be gays 'created' through trauma but there is a naturally occurring sub set of the population.
Also most people are mentally ill in this world.
Nathan Jones
See this, this is what fucking kills me. I think there can be grassroot movements that can pull monetary power from alt-right, radical feminist, and pro-black groups to suppress their movement.
Andrew Hernandez
It's literally a sexual fetish and always has been. Go read about the Berlin Sex Institute. That's what invented the entire concept in the modern sense. The National Socialists burned a lot of that filth, but sadly many of the people fled to the US and spread it here. I do have one question for you. Are you still in favor of homosexuality?
Easton Ramirez
I agree with you.
Men cannot be women.
Jace Ward
Sterilize largely upper middle class white people and encourage victimhood as virtue
I’m okay with homosexuality because it happens enough in nature but I don’t care much for centering things around a small population
Jacob Rivera
OP, dear OP, these days most of us start out life blue pilled and blue pilled as fuck. Then some horrible reality faces us and we get our first red pill, but we spit it back up because it tastes terrible and we're not hateful people. But then comes your second redpill.
You're not alone with the trans redpill. In fact, everyone who has ever been friends with a trans person has had this experience. Trans people are hateful, degenerate, and dangerous morons. When you try to support them they attack you, they attack all of their allies. They are fucked.
You are not fucked. Shake that confusion out of your brain--its their fucking problem, not yours, and get on with your life.
>So I ask, what the fuck do we do? You’re probably in a better position to do something as you likely have friends who agree with the muh 96 genders bs. Subtle redpills like what you described in the OP can open up the mind. Plus you have the absolute truth on your side: you’re either a man or a woman, nothing else. If some bum pirate wants to LARP as a woman then fine, but never let feelings get in the way of facts.
Blake Moore
Yup, buddy of mine became trans. Can't even talk politics or anything with him without it being related to muh oppression I hate him now
Adrian Cruz
Trans people only have other trans people. This fact never seems to register with them, they just keep blaming everyone else.
MTF trans are the most hateful people alive. They hate bio guys out of envy, they hate gay men because they think that's what bio guys do. They hate lesbians because they used to be lesbians but they didn't fit in and they're 'trans' now and that's different and they hate regular women for rejecting them and for 'being bitches'
No experience with FTM but it seems like the same deal. Everyone but other trans is an enemy. Allies are enemies too.
Cooper Evans
Hit the nail on the head Japanon. Talks about how disgusting and gross straight people are right in front of us with an almost narcissistic level of self centeredness. Talks about how much he hates republicans and christians. Like dude I'm supportive of you so you won't kill yourself and all you do is shittalk and then cry if anyone calls him out. You're not a woman and you never will be you're just a mentally person we're pressured to enable
Blake Reyes
Thank you, not that I needed validation but it really helps, because I had that moment of am I being hateful? And it’s like nah, fuck that, I’m well educated and well read, and generally compassionate of the grand population at hand.
What really did it for me is, again, I’m very left leaning for the most part, and don’t even fit the mold of someone who frequents these spaces (tatted, long hair, smokes weed, biracial, pro-black but in the economic sense and less of the bastardized social sense) but I just couldn’t shake the feeling and the facts lined up.
Like even through a feminist lens, if you want to argue that men are pre-disposed to violence either through socialization or genetics (which there is a basis for both), how can you argue that a trans woman is a woman, when they statistically commit the same percentage of violent crime as men? When scaled for pop size.
I’m sorry if I’m ranting but I can’t say this to my friends who will look at me a certain way, and it’s eating me up.
Jacob Flores
Yeah In theory I'm completely for lgbt rights but it's fucking crazy that people can get shut down for saying that teenagers or mentally ill people might be trans for attention. The movement and other identity politics movements cater to the autistic fantasy of having everything you do be above criticism. Not to be a fag but lgbt groups and the like are just becoming cults and going into them makes me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. These so called "movements" are becoming sperging grounds for mentally ill sheltered children. In america gays can marry and trannies can go on hormes. We already have lgbt rights in the US. There are so many other places in the world that aren't as accepting and need advocates but these people can't see beyond themselves. Lgbt issues aren't the fact that someone doesn't accept your personal gender identity, they're the fact that gay people are being put into concentration camps in Chechnya. There isn't really anything more to advocate for here so people make up issues that have no real bearing on anyone's life so that they can have another face to yell at.
most trans people hate those demi-gender retards just as much as you.
Jose Wilson
The only right degenerates have is a quick execution, tbqh senpai
Hunter Phillips
>tfw was sjw before transition/early on and i feel guilty about it i miss hanging out with my friends and telling dumb jokes and smoking weed. feels bad man.
Jonathan Taylor
Much like pro abortion people, it is hard take someone coming at you like they have the moral high ground. Especially when they are coming from a place of pure evil.
Gabriel Gomez
>What is the end game of transactivism? Like everything now a days it's just a misdirection technique to distract the population from the real problems and instead keep them focused on non issues.
Trust me I’ve been visiting Sup Forums since 2009, ideologically we differ tremedously, and will continue so, but I think this site has had huge cultural influence both in pop culture and politics and I’ve seen it develop. So I keep coming back
Because of this I know what I feel is real, how I can disagree on a million things with /pol but the fact there is one thing we agree on so strongly makes me very much dive into the core of it.
Connor Cruz
After a few months on hormones I just stopped giving a shit about that. Honestly I was only really into it before because it validated my identity. After a while whenever I would see sjw stuff I would just think “ugh”, and over time I just grew more disgusted with it. Even back when I was into sjw stuff I subconciously didn’t like black people but I forced myself into thinking I did. Whenver there was anti-white stuff it bothered me but I just ignored it because of privilege or whatever.
Ayden Wood
Wait so let me get this straight. You are claiming (falsely) of course that because trans people try to date cis people exclusively that it is a fetish? How can anyone be unironically this retarded.
I know hundreds and hundreds of trans people both irl and online. There is a very healthy mix of those who date cis people and who date trans and I have only ever met a few who flat out refused to date other trans people. In fact almost all my friends are dating eachother.
It seems to me your "research" is non existent and not grounded in reality.
Easton Williams
>am I being hateful? One side of the argument makes perfectly healthy people that may have psicological problems and/or depression destroy their bodies and life so they can "feel" like the opposite sex, maybe, someday. The other argument is that sex and gender ARE related and there ARE innate differences between sexes, and you should live your live as the sex you were born too. That transition will never be real because a wound were your dick was isnt a vagina.
wich side is really more hatefull? wich side makes people spiral out their lifes of control?
David Hill
congratulations, having objected to some element of far left gender superstition (there is no gender, only sex), you are now a transphobe. Prepare to have your life ruined or remain silent.
it’s the most destructive narcissistic action one can take. It benefits no one but the individual. Then the affected individual spreads the cognitive dissonance to others. The weak fall first, then the peer pressure increases, many more will fall, let them we don’t need them in the new society
Why do a substantially larger percentage of trans people say they’re exclusively attracted to cis-gendered people? And use phrases like the cotton ceiling? It’s like they want people to accept them as what they are but they themselves secretly have an issue doing so? Because it seems they still consciously associate something biological to what they deem a woman or man.
Hudson Russell
Also please save me the “I know...”
It’s the weakest defense ever, it shows that you use your intimate personal universe as a reflection of the real world.
Jace Ortiz
By having a low iq. Now please pose this question on /lgbt/ and /leftypol/. They may actually care, we already have a final solution. Trans people should be treated with antipsychotics not cosmetic surgery. John Hopkins Hospital was the first to start and after dealing with enough post-op messes and seeing no positive results from treatment John Hopkins Hospital stopped.
Charles Butler
>Why do a substantially larger percentage of trans people say they’re exclusively attracted to cis-gendered people? citation required
