Abortion should be illegal statewide and on a federal level. Illegal and punishable in almost all cases with maybe the exception of rape and as long as it's within 14 days of conception. I'd argue making that illegal too but you PC faggots would lose your shit.
You kill babies you're scum. My mind can't be changed but give it a try.
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>a bunch of cells no different than a cancer at the point 99% of abortions occur shouldn't be legally removable
ah yes, the right, true champions of region and logic instead of legislating based on emotions
MAKE AMERICA RELIGIOUS AGAIN
Black lives matter but not the crazy numbers of black baby lives matter. Trash.
90% happen in first trimester which is still murder. Over 7% happen in the 2nd and about 3% happen in the THIRD FUCKING TRIMESTER.
A bunch of cells? Wonder what a baby looks like at 3 months? See pic.
Honestly i don't care either way however i do care about consistency
I do not approve of women using abortion while at the same time it being possible of being charged by the court of law for "killing" an unborn baby e.g. car accident
Typical women trying to have cake and eat it too
i bet you're a skinny little white boy. i dont talk to priviledged little shits like yourself. move along.
So I guess you're okay with taxes being raised then? Just imagine the surge in welfare mamas once abortion becomes illegal.
Would still die outside the body without leeching off the mother. If you're so concerned with human suffering go feed the starving or house the homeless, instead of trying to police someone's body.
the babys body is not owned by the mother sorry buddy
>abortion should be illegal, change my mind
Without abortion niggers wouldn't be only 13% of USA's population. Most abortions in USA are done on shitskins.
why do you love blacks so much?
Back in the old days parents put their kid into the forest is they didn't want it
If something wrong with the kid of youre not ready for it/been raped then youre free to do it. Choosing to have a kid or not is a personal thing, not the societys choice
baby didn't ask to be born and in fact not being born is always better than being alive. idk why people still doomed innocent souls to misery. Japs as a most intelligent people in the world understand it and have been stopping reproduce
Im just amazed that you can read. I suppose that you wouldnt talk to white people, your owner would never allow that
No one gives a shit about changing your opinion. You'd better not be sexually active if you're an unmarried heterosexual male.
Boris, you are trying to reason a guy who thinks piece of meat can be considered a person. Wake up.
>with maybe the exception of rape
Can someone explain to me why it's okay to kill someone just because their biological father is a complete asshole?
>You kill babies you're scum. My mind can't be changed but give it a try.
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Actually, it should be the father's choice, but this is not the case in the West, as in most western countries a woman can get an abortion without the man's consent, or even knowledge.
Literally me rn
Why you consider it as killing anyway?
Niggers.
Hear hear
>Can someone explain to me why it's okay to kill someone just because their biologic
Because evil genes are passed on, evil must be purged before it comes to existence.
Are you an evil sympathizing cuck faggot?
Evil genes, Pablo?
lol you make abortion illegal and all you will see is the black and non white population spike even more then it is now say good night white people in the usa make sure to turn the lights off when you are gone! i fucking 100% support abortion for non whites
Because it's alive..
>Because evil genes are passed on, evil must be purged before it comes to existence.
>Are you an evil sympathizing cuck faggot?
You sound pretty evil desu
the evil rapist daddy will pass on his evil genes to the baby
the baby must be terminated for he will become a rapist too once he grows up.
No, you consider it alive. Some people dont. Why your opinion should be viewed as more important one?
>he
What if the baby is female?
>your opinion
It's not an opinion.
It's population control in which the vast majority of abortions (population vise) are not white.
Because some opinions are more correct than others.
Oh shit, we got ourselves genetic engineering specialist over here.
>Its not an opinion, its true, user, trust me
No, its an opinion
Yes, but can you prove your point is wholly right?
>No, its an opinion
okay then, how do you define "alive" ???
>Abortion should be illegal statewide and on a federal level
And yet, it's not. Amazingly the law cares nothing for your feelings
Convince us that abortion should be illegal neighbour, test your mettle
>change my mind
>person opposing him comes with a general bit of info
>"no, that's not true"
>yes, it is
>"lets be clear about what we're talking about" switches subject
>"are you open to have your mind changed?"
For a "change my mind segment" he literally never finds common grounds unless it's defined by him.
Something being born already? Until the process is completed it shouldn't be considered alive. Thats my opinion.
I’m Catholic, but there have been some interesting arguments made for the case of abortion and I tend to be open-minded. For example, if a criminal male becomes a father and then is jailed it’s pretty much guaranteed to be a criminal when he grows up. And if he’s a male criminal, most likely will be a violent criminal. This even without getting into the racial arguments which I’m sure most in this site can figure on their own. All you have to do is look at a timeline of violent crime and when Roe v. Wade was decided and you can see a significant decline in the following years.
post-term abortion for wh*te babies when?
Wtf, I love abortion now.
>Something being born already? Until the process is completed it shouldn't be considered alive.
What about babies that are born months early?
Is a baby that is born 3 months early that is being kept alive by machines more alive than a 1 week overdue baby that is yet to be born?
I agree that it should be illegal eventually, but surely you understand there needs to be a transitional period in which the infrastructure required to take care of all the newly born and abandoned babies is built. I'd ban it, but it would take a lot of government spending over a long period of time. Are you ok with that?
Clearly that which life blossoms from must be already alive, no?
Or just make people responsible for their actions.
>the one born earlier before being completely formed cant survive without supporting machines
You just proved my point.
>One thing is more alive than other
Its either alive or not, theres no gradation
Very scientific definition, Einstein.
Correct, they are both alive and should be granted rights the same as any other person.
Its time to start letting fetuses utilize their second amendment so little Jamal Jr can defend himself when the Democrats send their (((planned parenthood))) goons to snuff him out. Stop trying to kill my wife's Kid!!!
I'm not a scientist, but scientists should know about the philosophical roots of their field. I am arguing on philosophical/ethical lines, not "scientific" ones based in new age """science""", if you don't want to pursue this argument further, I can do nothing to stop you.
Yeah why not JUST change human nature. Let's also try communism while we're at it
It's my opinion that you are not alive, and if the consensus on the board agrees with me, then we are entitled to kill you. See the problem?
A fetus is life, because given the normal course of an events, from the point of conception a fetus will inevitable develop into a baby, therefore, life. Killing the fetus at any stage of development results in a net loss of one human. If you can justify murder, then that's a different discussion, but there's no moral way to justifying killing a fetus as anything other than "murder", if you define intentionally ending a human life to be "murder".
>play by my rules and join a pointless battle of semantics
Whatever, man
so would a newborn child
Well how can we kill anyone then if it will lead to loss of their potential children? You are a monster.
>ethics and philosophy are pointless semantics
>science is my God
Found the brainlet.
agreed, but science has become more of a religion to replace the traditional one to these people.
Your really fucked in the head aren't you? Killing is indeed wrong and no you shouldn't do that.
I say this all the time: scientists are the new clergy. Simply look at the things that Bill Nye has said about so called "climate change deniers". He said it should be punishable by law to deny the conclusions of scientists in this particular field.
>everyone arguing from retarded starting points
Why don't we discuss the real religious bias involved in the legalization of abortion?
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What a summer child you are, Billy.
For those too lazy the click the link
>Jewish law does not share the belief common among abortion opponents that life begins at conception, nor does it legally consider the fetus to be a full person deserving of protections equal those accorded to human beings.
>In Jewish law, a fetus attains the status of a full person only at birth. Sources in theTalmudindicate that prior to 40 days of gestation, the fetus has an even more limited legal status, with one Talmudic authority (Yevamot 69b) asserting that prior to 40 days the fetus is “mere water.”
>Elsewhere, the Talmud indicates that the ancient rabbis regarded a fetus as part of its mother throughout the pregnancy, dependent fully on her for its life — a view that echoes the position that women should be free to make decisions concerning their own bodies.
But what if I really REALLY want to kill an innocent child? Is it okay then?
>You kill babies you're scum.
I disagree
I don’t think a zygote is as precious and valuable as a birthed human being. We already don’t give children the same rights as adults, I don’t see why I should give a bundle of cells the same rights as a living breathing baby. If the parents want to eradicate their own genes then who am I do tell them their wrong.
However While I think aborting after rape should always be legal. I don’t have an issue with making it illegal for well off high IQ people to have abortions to keep good population growth and intelligence.
>My mind can't be changed but give it a try.
Niggers have more abortions than anyone else by a wide margin.
That settles it, we should allow follow the Talmud.
>blacks are humans
By the same logic cockblocking and simply not having sex, as you are preventing the potential development of a future human
I’m not really disagreeing with you, but:
>bill Nye is a scientist.
Are you memeing? Because my point is that the ethical justifications for abortion actually originate from kike biases which also include the justifications for butchering baby penises and sucking on the raw flesh, therefore there is no "secular" side of the argument.
>wallets aren’t as precious and valuable as cars, just because stealing a car is wrong doesn’t mean it is wrong to steal a wallet
That settles it, we need to mutilate more infants.
I'd love to, if not because your Rus fuck up everything
He definitely isn't. He falls within the same camp as 98% of "scientists" in the modern world do, that is, not real scientists.
Bullshit kraut, if you get pregnant is you fault for being a fucking careless moron because you have a lot of ways to prevent a pregnancy:
1. Abstinence
2. Anticonceptive methods like a condom
3. The pill
The horny dont take away your inteligence, if you cant buy a fucking condom(you can get by free in public hospital for fucks sake) dont have sex, simple as that. So if you still fuck that girl without condom (you have to be an idiot to do that) and cum inside her, you have the pill for the day after. So for you to have a pregnancy you should be an idiot and have the baby because he doesnt have the guilt for the stupidity of their parents. Pro abortionist dont have any arguments (unless is a rape, but they are very rare, or the mother is in risk of death)
>B-but my freedoms, a baby is a parasite in the mothers body, i dont have the resources to sustain a baby/im sigle mother.
You shouldnt have been having unprotrected sex, even if a man cums inside you, you have the day after pill, so you have to take responsability of your life's choises.
There are a lot of ways to prevent a pregnancy, but to get to the point where the pregnancy is unstoppable is because you are a negligent cunt that should take responsability for putting their dicks without condom or ridding the cock carrousel without anticonceptives.
Nice strawman
My arguement can basically be summed up as: I don’t think aborting a bunch of cells should be illegal for the same reason I don’t think stepping on a snail should be illegal.
I don’t care what it could grow into, because if it’s aborted tean it doesn’t happen so "what if" is irrelevent.
You could end up president of the USA in the future, but you aren’t now and I’m not going to act like you are now, just like I dont treat a bunch of cells like a fully formed human, until they actually become one
fucking this.
I'm pro choice - a broad has a choice to not let a dick without a condom in.
To be fair, condoms are terrible and women are liars. 99/100 I would rather fap than fuck with a condom.
I think it's fine for Down Syndrome, mutants, and niggers.
You make these arguments not realizing a majority of people on this planet are too stupid to follow your advice.
This will change you're mind, guaranteed.
Imagine a burning fertility clinic. In one room is a trapped human adult person. In another room is a tray of 50 fertilized viable embryo things.
You have time before the building collapses into flames to save one of these.
[spoiler]you saved the human[/spoiler]
This demonstrates the different value we place on actually formed humans and the thing that is in the womb. It is not the same as killing a person.
>snails are human
PS bro, you are a bunch of cells.
>you probably won’t become president, that means this pregnancy probably won’t become human
>that’s just logic, checkmate, Christcuck
>niggers, niggers, and niggers
Just settle down.
Oh I totally save the human. The embryos will quickly become unviable without power cryogenics; it is a shame to suffer such loss of life, but it’s not like I could do anything about it if I did remove them.
>when you suddenly realize you are hopelessly retarded.
Abortion is murder, but in rare circumstances it is the lesser of two evils.
Any woman who willingly seeks abortion is a degenerate.
Your don't know your own philosophical roots. "Life springs from life" would mean that tumors are equitable to babies. Or that a downs retard is equitable to a functional human.
The definition of Life for a human is an arbitrary line in the sand. It is literally arbitrary, as ethics and morals on this issue will shift depending on the culture you live in. There is no scientific definition of "living things" as humans are colonies made up of a lot of different "living" parts. The only difference between a baby and a malfunctioning animal is that the baby will eventually parse semiotic information and we will eventually reinforce their illusion of an ego.
And we've learned since Heisenberg, the smallest units that matter aren't matter. Einstein was wrong on several basic accounts when speaking of the work of others. Schrodinger's quote is him referencing the fucking shadow puppets cave relation. And Bohr would have shit his pants to see the results of the LHC.
You're not a scientist, and you're definitely not a philosopher unless you claim to be a useless Conty. I'd believe that.
Necessity is his god, as that's the god of science. It's also the only god that has ever proven valuable when attempting to manipulate the physical world.
Bump
We need to have riots at planned Parenthood abortion clinics.
>bored white kid who can't get laid wants to go yell at women
Well abortion is fine for niggers but not for a healthy baby made by two white parents.
Planned Parenthood needs to be closed down.
im not that strong to carry an adult human out of a buidling so i guess i go with the embryos
You're not strong enough to carry 50 ice cubes then either soyboy.
>humans are cancer
This is your brain on atheism...
Took longer than expected.