Post character in fiction that can defeat altair

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Kumagawa/Giorno

akagi shigeru

Saitama, thread over.

Sirius.

God

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A team up of Truck-kun, his cousin Train-kun and his second cousin Stairs-kun

Faceless bald men.

Pretty much any reality warper being honest. Altair has the disadvantage of being double fictional compared to any non creation. Also her powers rely on the acceptance of humans, so really you could beat her just by destroying the planet.

You can defeat Altair at chess, you can defeat Altair at Starcraft, you can break Altair's heart but she will always win in battle

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what's her(yes im assuming the gender) power?

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He wrecks her just by looking at her.

baka

She's no canon
Meaning you can give her any power to snipe any other character, whether it's a universe buster or a gag character

>Altair has the disadvantage of being double fictional compared to any non creation.
It didn't help the gods (single fictional based on your logic) like bookstore owner. Fictional characters are as real as non fictional characters there (it's a multiverse setting).

>Also her powers rely on the acceptance of humans, so really you could beat her just by destroying the planet.
Doesn't powerlevel comparison involves a neutral setting though? In Altair's setting the god world is above everything, if a character has free access to her own creators is as unfair as to assume that she has access to the opponent creators as a character canonically able to break out of fiction into reality. It's not even clear if she would cease to exist if the real world is destroyed anyway, she doesn't even need the gods to give herself new powers at the end and other characters were fine even after their single creator died.

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GER and Kumagawa

It would have helped Bookstore owner if Bookstore owner had reality warping powers

Can Altair defeat the cock?

Yes, the point was just that "double fictional" isn't in any way a disadvantage powerlevel wise.

Isn't she at risk at being erased if she overuses her powers and isn't accepted enough? It's pretty difficult to be accepted if there is nobody to accept you. All your fictional character did was break into another just as fictional world, making the first fictional world even more fictional than the one she broke into, she can't break into real life you wazzock.
>inb4 FICTIONAL REAL LIFE
In a neutral setting we assume both characters have become real, however Altair is doubly fiction so she would remain as a fictional character. So whilst a normal character would get to use their powers to the max, Altair would have to use her powers in moderation.

Search your heart, bitch. You know it to be true

It is though, she can't use her powers too much or she just gets deleted by the universe or something.

too easy

Yamcha could defeat Altair.

Reminder.

None can match her cuteness.

>this is the reason why Marvel comics are dying
Deserved for being such a retard.

Nice excuse for bad writing you jew fuck.
How about instead you don't try and make the audience believe that reality warping wizards and literal gods are on the same level as man who uses guns?
Oh right, that would require consistency which your industry has none of.

boomer logic

most things in Dies Irae

> if she overuses her powers
At risk of being kicked out of that universe, not killed. Though at the end of the ECF she is able to destroy the universe.
> and isn't accepted enough
No, the acceptance dictates her max potential, but not what she will do. Erasing her through acceptance is effectively giving her a canon, which is against the nature of her character.
>so she would remain as a fictional character.
Then she has the same meta abilities that she had in the ECF and are integral to her character. She is affected by the audience watching the crossover. In the same way any character with meta ability in which he can interfere with the writer can still use their ability even in a setting with no writer.

Though if we are going strictly by her universe rules, she can already destroy the whole universe before being kicked out.

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>muh double fiction
The world in which she is limitless is a fictional world by definition.

pseudo limitles

limited by the power of "fuck you my favorite character can do anything and always wins your favorite character".

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>THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE FACTS. EVERYTHING IS JUST SUBJECTIVE. :^)

Get out Boomertrash.

Even if we use the power of acceptance as a measurement, she would probably turns into a slightly glorified jobber since she is less popular than 90% of fictional characters

You just know that if Re:Creators ever gets a season 2 that Altair would get FRESH'd to set up the threat of a new villain.

How could Rei Hiroe went from creating God tier females like Roberta and Balalaika to a total piece of shit like Altair ?.

Acceptance is not a popularity contest though. The most popular normal SoL character would have no chance against the least popular planet buster. Against Altair they still have to drop her chances of winning to exactly 0% so she can't slip through a plausible situation that she wins.

It only seems to me that he is improving in that area (but getting worse at pacing and more subtle world building).

The girls are some of the best
For some reason there is little fanservice even in promotional content especially for Magane, Mamika and Alice

Altair is just going to get booted from the universe if she tries to go around and slaughter SoL characters. Basically any fighting manga character would have the power of superior popularity asspull on their side however so they should be able to defeat Altair.
Gohan with acceptance can defeat Altair as thanks to Mexico he will be able to go LegandarySSJragewhite4godKaiokenx1000000UltraInstinctGreatApe and solo all of fiction

acceptance doesn't matter outside of ecf

>Altair is just going to get booted from the universe if she tries to go around and slaughter SoL characters.
What? She murdered a magical girl from a little girls show with zero penalty.
>Basically any fighting manga character would have the power of superior popularity asspull
Weren't the other characters real and only Altair fictional because "double fictional"? Why are they even hypothetically being affected by acceptance?

you know what
every time I see an altair thread from now on all I'm going to post is
"DOUBLE FICTION"

Not even a contest

Well, it's kind of boring how biased these discussions are. Even though she is a meta character she has no meta ability because of "double fiction", other characters can kill her by killing all the people from her creator's world (ignoring that if they are real they are just as much gods), and even though she got the acceptance to both become independent and to destroy the multiverse she can't use even though she still gets the debuff of getting kicked of said universe.

There are only two reasonable ways of crossover with Altair. Everyone is fictional including Altair, and she can go to the creators world but so can any other universe hopper or 4th wall breaker and we the audience act as the gods (and it works like in the ECF scenario). Or only Altair is fictional, everyone real acts like gods to the fictional world, she can't use unlimited abilities without getting kicked out but she can still use any cheating skill (which includes her ability to avoid any physical damage, but in the real world you can probably force her to use it too much and get her kicked out), escape to fictional worlds, summon other characters and arguably invent new abilities through Setsuna.

Mercurius, Ren, Reinhard, Hajun

leave altair for my

Shouldn't be too much a task.

Najimi Ajimu From Medaka Box.

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If you count memery pic related

She created a universe just for two, and said she could create another story with a whole another multiverse if her waifu needs it, there is no challenging her

until their fans I forgot it

Stupid ESL

the power of altair is unstable

Even if universes that are forgotten are automatically destroyed, time within the story isn't the same as in the real world. She can live an infinitely long life in an instant in the real world. She and Setsuna can appreciate in real time the view of the universe going from the big bang until the heat death multiple times before Meteora could even start explaining what happened at the end of the ECF.

Not to mention that she never lost the ability to go back to the real world if she ever felt threatened.

not fans not power. the power of altair is unstable and ephemeral

Ok

Altair doesn't even have feats of destroying even the planet and had to rely on an elaborate plan to gain power. Hell the universe she created wasn't defined at all with it's size and there is no reason to her having creation power=destructive power.

Omegamon X

It's their story now, they can set any rule they want

She is an evolving character. She got to the real world with almost no powers, getting new ones with each fanvideo and she made the ECF into her own video in which she declared to the world her new powers, first the ability to destroy the story of the real world itself along with all creations and finally the ability to create new worlds. So she was much stronger by the end than she was at the start.

Man, she was such a shit character.

Within the context of their own verse sure, let's keep it that way. But not to others.
Her evolving only gave her creation power power, not destructive power. She can create an undefined universe but can't destroy a planet. Her powers she received till now is pretty much set in stone.

Unironically Kino.

relative and ephemeral evolution

>Within the context of their own verse sure, let's keep it that way. But not to others.
Rule of Holopsicon is she derives power from her fanart, she will dictate how others interact with her as long as there's fanfic about it, since she has no canon

hoshiguma yuugi

Re:Creators is her canon. The fictions written about her in-universe really is just set in stone and no new ones will just pop up because the anime ended. God all this meta just fucks my shit up.

Creation in the re:creators universe is writing a story. She can create a world with beings even more powerful than her, she can create an artifact that will give massive powers to Setsuna, she can write a new movement for her holopsicon. In the same way "twisting the plot" meant she could create replicates of giant robots or move characters to outside of their stories causing any kind of destruction.

Her power is dependent on people creating material of her and giving her he power to defeat others. Basically anybody who could wipe out humanity faster than anyone can react would bat her.

puppet master vs altair who wins

Her canon says she has no canon. Nothing can even hurt her other than two metafictional weapons, one being Sirius's holopsicon itself, and the other being the designated anti-Altair weapon, Alice's lance. Her constitution is not even described and she demonstrated her infinite power so there is no reason to believe anything else can touch her anyway

>Re:Creators is her canon. The fictions written about her in-universe really is just set in stone
So is every fictional character from demonbane to ajimu to featherine, none can actually escape their canon stories even if they have meta abilities. But if she is in being a crossover then her ability to get new abilities would still exist since it's a fundamental part of her character, including through her own canon infinite self-evolving yuriverse.

Yeah, I mean, it's not like you could just, I dunno, go beyond the impossible or something.

then because need acceptation

Everything but creating things outside her scope of power and creating new movements I agree with. The movements she has shown so far are the only ones we'll ever use, using just a random ass pulled one that has never existed before is just a NLF.
And once more we dig into all this messed up meta shit. I'm not going to treat her as an NLF and that's that. This whole canon saying she has no canon means the first canon is her canon. You see what I mean? Otherwise we're in an impasse and we're not gonna convince the other.
But Demonbane and Featherine does not exist in Re:Creators. And don't even bring up character intended purposes within powerlevel autism. Altair also doesn't escape her canon which is Re:Creators and won't ever see the light outside of the anime. Other fictions within fictional real life is just a part of Re:Creators canon.

So if she were to sudennly appear here she'd get instantly shown the door right

Well we're in real life and she's part of fictional real-life. fictional real-life is still fictional unless we're talking about live-action.

>altair memes herself into our world because of live action
Oh god the horror

Re-Creators isn't fictional real-life. Fictional real-life would be something like eromanga sensei or gamers! where there is no magic and they even mention stuff like SAO or other things that are fictional in the real world.

So what would be the proper term? Please enlighten this user.

Fiction. Nothing more, nothing less. Believing that there is some kind of ranking of how fictional different series are is stupid, and it has no relevance to powerlevels

It's mainly concerned with the idea of Holopsicon. Altair anchored her world with ours since she acknowledged fanart from our world and demonstrated that she interacts with them.

Those are literally as fictional as any other world. Sagiri or any of those characters don't exist just as much as Souta and the rest. Not to mention there wasn't apparent magic in re:creators real world, it had the same original setting as those other shows and only deviates because of Altair and disappears without her.

The real-life within Re:Creator is not our real-life. Just like the user who enlightened me said above, it is fiction regardless.

That logic collides with the sequence regarding fanfic in the anime. Something with holopsicon and without any canon interacts with the content produced in the real world.

She seduces Setsuna and makes Altair kill herself.

That just a nod to fans, it makes no difference. You see it a lot in VNs from the same company when older VNs appear as posters in a new one. But that's all, it doesn't mean suddenly one is more real than the other

It's part of the superposition of information, like is not supposed to exist in the world of re:creators but is still there because the show needs something to demonstrate fanfic produced, so it pulls from actual fanfic.