>UBI implemented >everyone gets £1000 a month no matter their income >niggers hear about free gibs and flood into the country >tax increases on the middle and upper classes through the roof, they leave the country >inflation occurs, the new poor is £600 a week instead of £300 a week >economy is ruined and at the benefit of no one >all the businesses and smart people have left >the nigger influx and outrage of working class human garbage cause riots and general social decay >country is ruined forever due to the greatest niggerpocalypse known to man
This will UNDOUBTEDLY be the next thing that the (((globalists))) try to push on western countries, how do we stop this from happening?
am I poor if I earn 360 pounds a week? Never knew that
Ryan Harris
Absolutely, you can't live a decent life on anything less than 500 a week after tax.
Dominic Harris
>is living on scraps >doesn't know that he's poor
How is this even possible? Do niggers starving to death in Africa look at the corpses of people who have starved and think "heh, I'm doing pretty good"?
Hudson Bell
Jesus Christ, this is why we need to cull all poor people.
Isaac Sanders
In Canada we already have UBI, it's called giving birth to children you can't afford.
Ayden Harris
Well I dunno, I just moved here from SA two months ago. Thought it was an alright wage.
Jayden Walker
End UBI and give people jobs shooting niggers
Luis Walker
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT OP PEOPLE LIKE U NEED TO BE MURDERED UBI IS A GIFT AND IT NEEDS TO BE AT A MINUMUM OF $800 TO ABOUT $1500 A MONTH AT DEFAULT U NEGATIVE RACIST CUMSKIN DICKSHRINK FUCKS NEED TO KILL YOUR SELVES YOU LITTLE FAGGOT BITCH SHIT FUCK NIGGERS
>HOW DO WE STOP UBI? you're asking the wrong question. we need UBI or a solution like it as an answer to hyper-inequality -- which is synonymous with automation. as we trend into a post-scarcity society where human labor trends towards being valueless, we need a new way to distribute the wealth that is effectively being generated for free by capitalistic standards
the real question is: how do we share the wealth of a society with all of its members
Noah Parker
If you want UBI, you can have it but you have to be sterilized. I'm not paying for my taxes to breed parasites.
Taxes that scale with how much you earn relative to others at your company. More inequality at the business = higher tax rate. Fix Jewish loopholes like non-monetary compensation and part timers/contractors. Say, tax businesses 5% to 95% if the highest:lowest paid person ratio is 1.00 to >20.00
At first, Jews will bitch about not being able to make 20x more than others, but they'll get used to it.
David Stewart
You can't stop it. Just like communism (which UBI is a form of), no matter how many times it fails spectacularly, there are still communists.
Jack Fisher
What if we just don't let niggers into the country?
Jordan Gray
who is this semen demon?
Hunter Cox
>UBI IS A GIFT UBI is retarded.
Kayden Russell
wouldn't that just drive the cost of living even higher?
Joseph Collins
> how much you earn relative to others at your company
you're really under-estimating how worthless human labor is going to become over the next couple decades. millions of truck drivers replaced with tesla. millions of restaurant workers replaced with ATMs plugged into burger dispensers. even researchers and diagnosticians are on borrowed time as datasets become so large that only machines can make sense of most of it
some workers will be displaced into other industries but many will be rendered unemployable
Gabriel Ross
>we need UBI or a solution like it as an answer to hyper-inequality End property taxes. Let people buy houses they can live in for the rest of their lives instead of spending the bulk of their paychecks on rent. Rather than making everyone dependent on government handouts, we should be trying to make everyone as self-sufficient as possible.
Then they're going to be forced to learn a new skill. Too bad.
Kevin Wood
Let's undercut the value of hard work and remove any incentive for people to innovate. That'll make humanity progress!
Grayson Garcia
i know UBI is inevitable at this point, but how the fuck will society look like when no one is gonna have to work and everyone will be given free gibs, fucking lazy parasites everywhere?
People will receive just enough money for a shitty place to live and somewhat enough money to eat. So the economic cycle will just go >government gives you gibs >you buy food and pay your rent with it >don't have enough for anymore than that >goes right back to global corporations and government >repeat
So basically it's the ultimate goal of (((globalists)))
Eli Gonzalez
Some basic UBI maths redpills
>Assume $1,000/mo = $12k/yr for every citizen >3 million * 12,000 = 36 TRILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR >US GDP = 18.62 Trillion
So a basic income that doesn't even approach poverty levels will cost TWO TIMES TOTAL GDP IN THE US. TOTAL PERFECT COMMUNISM WOULD NOT EVEN BE ENOUGH TO PAY IT.
UBI is a debt scheme to end all debt schemes. Do not fall for this meme.
I used to think this was a great idea. Now I think it'd be a great idea in a white ethnostate. Thanks Sup Forums
Jonathan Richardson
300 million people not 3 million*
Tyler Hill
no, you see, it will give artists and philosophers the ability to create and philosophize instead of being shackled by the monstrous work week you fucking bigot. we need these refugee surgeons and scientists so that us canadians can live off ubi with their taxes.
Dominic Lee
Your math is wrong friend. It’s actually 3.6 trillion not 36. Still a lot
Evan Lee
UBI is just 150 year old marxist ideas with a shiny new name
Evan Gutierrez
Whoops. I thought the math came out differently this time.
It would still take the federal deficit from 720 Billion to 4.3 Trillion.
Anyone who thinks it's feasible is math illiterate. It's really that simple. They need to bring back fucking literacy tests at the polls.
>a test run is now planned in Scotland Of fucking course scotland gets more handouts
Ayden Bailey
>we need UBI or a solution like it as an answer to hyper-inequality
UBI will forever cement society into two unequal classes. Producers and Consumers.
Levi Phillips
Never going to jappen
David Adams
That doesn't even factor in the number of people who'll quit their jobs to live off of UBI, so we'd be making less in taxes every year.
Camden Russell
>nigger wants more gibs lol
Brody Torres
National, goodness, Socialism
Jordan Green
Think she's a blacked porn star
Daniel Phillips
Only give UBI to people with an Ariernachweis.
Jace Bennett
made it only available to current citizens , better yet only citizens who's family have been there numerous generations and actually contributed to the country
Thomas Mitchell
>hyper-inequality commie talk
Brayden Lopez
We'll never be able to hit the jew in the most justifiable soft spot. Property taxes are the most absurd concept to me. Excuse me sir, it appears you are in possession of private property, you'd better pay up. Capitalism sure is fierce and lively here.
Eli Fisher
But UBI is just a monetary policy, there's nothing special about it The idea is that as robots take jobs you get hyperdeflation So you get the government to print new money and hand it out, universally and equally, to the population And the amount given out is tied directly to how much deflation there is So your line about how this will result in inflation is true, but deceiving
Jaxon Sanchez
>>everyone gets £1000 a month no matter their income I will just leave to Thailand or Cambodia and live there as lower middle class
Christopher Baker
>Absolutely, you can't live a decent life on anything less than 500 a week after tax. I am earning 1560 in London
Zachary Ortiz
>Being this pessimistic I kind of figured in the back of my head that people were generally depressed on Sup Forums because of the current state of things, but damn.
Sebastian Bailey
destroy so called ai and shitty automation, daily reminder shitty automation and ai cant learn and is just pattern recognition algorithms stolen from our information and given to big tech we have 5-10 years before the shitty automation come anywhere near humans, we better stop it now
EVERYONE MOVE TO STEEMIT DUCK DUCK GO AND GAB !!!!
Jose King
>It would still take the federal deficit from 720 Billion to 4.3 Trillion.
UBI means getting rid of almost the entire current welfare system.
It wouldn't just be an added top on cost of the already existing welfare, retard.
Charles Moore
What's steemit, I'm already on the others but i need a better os
Samuel Anderson
I don't understand what the left's argument is with UBI. I assume they're not retarded and would agree that we couldn't just print 50k/year and give it to everyone for free and eliminate poverty. Even if we could "afford" it, it would just cause prices to rise, kill a bunch of jobs, and 50k would be the new dirt poor tier income. So why is it, that they think with a smaller amount like 1500/month (which is full time minimum wage in most places now in USA) that this wouldn't have the same, but less drastic effect as printing much more would be? after all, in this example, comparing 18k/year and 50k/year in free gibs isn't exactly an entirely different dimension, yet one is genius, and the other is beyond retarded.
Is their a leftist here that can explain this to me? I'm aware of the argument that we would offset this with eliminating the massive spending on the existing welfare state, but this only makes it easier to "pay" for, it doesn't change the market impact much.
Levi Flores
>even researchers and diagnosticians are on borrowed time That is the only correct thing in your post, because analyzing data is the only thing AI can do. Truck drivers won't be replaced with machines any time soon, have you seen how inconsistent and complex roads are? Since we already have a plethora of super-advanced biological units ready and willing to be truck drivers, trying to replace them with a machine is a waste of time and resources, even if it was possible it would cost so much more as to be ridiculous. Same goes for restaurants, outside of mcDonald's people want the human touch in serving and food prep.
Hell, even many doctors are safe because it is too hard to create a surgeon robot and the human touch of GPs/shrinks has healing properties. Physical work in general is safe, it is too pointless to mass produce robots with comparable adaptive dexterity to humans since so many humans already exist. If you aren't a low-level lawyer or researcher, machines replacing your job are not going to be a problem for you.
Logan Lee
I'm on an apprenticeship at the moment, in my first year, on the minimum wage which means I'm making the lowest possible amount of money for someone working full time in the country. I get 145 a week. So yeah, I'd say you are.
Carson Robinson
Found the.pedophile.
Asher Taylor
>it will give artists and philosophers the ability to create and philosophize instead of being shackled by the monstrous work week I don't care if it's satire. This makes me cringe. There are actual people out there right now how believe this.
Brayden Rogers
How does someone live on nothing?
Jeremiah Baker
> Found the.pedophile. Nope. I am into ladyboys only.
Gavin Fisher
I worked in a robotic factory, the jobs won't completely disappear. What it does do is make it necessary for a workforce that is mechanically inclined. What I had to do is run around keeping the machines going and quality control, because machines don't know when they make a mistake. What us essential for an economy to function as robotics become more prevalent is to get rid of the dependent class. Right now leftists are kvetching over the notion of evil Hitlers all over the world stopping immigrants from invading, which no one has, they just slowed the process and enforced the law. What needs to be done is have negative immigration. Kick the fuckers out! Stop treating our nations' borders like a game of Red Rover and get rid of this drain of resources.
Medicare, Social Security and all welfare programs add up to about 2.5 trillion. So after axing everyone's social services and cutting them $1000 a month check we're still 1.3 trillion dollars above the last budget.
You should call people retard if you're a NEET who can't even do basic math. You will never get universal NEETbux. Get off your ass and do something with your life.
Jason Morgan
1) Basic income wouldn't be $50,000 a year (70% of American workers make less than $50,000 a year, if you make $50,000, you're in the top 30% of income RIGHT NOW)
2) It wouldn't cause prices to drastically rise. There would be an entire class of people living off UBI, and the market would still make products aimed at them.
These products would have to be very cheap, because people living on UBI would have almost no free money to spend.
Henry Lewis
> everyone gets a free £1000 > cost of living immediately increases by £1000/ month Leftists cannot into econ.
Jeremiah Barnes
>It wouldn't cause prices to drastically rise
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW. So why did house prices skyrocket after the government pumped billions of liquidity into it? Why do healthcare costs skyrocket when the government gives billions in subsidies? Why did the price of college skyrocket when the government gave billions in debt money to colleges on the backs of dumb kids?
You clearly don't understand the most basic laws of markets. Leftist NEET confirmed.
William Morgan
>So after axing everyone's social services and cutting them $1000 a month check we're still 1.3 trillion dollars above the last budget.
- Less military spending - Get rid of the DEA - Get rid of all other government waste - Print more money (inflation can be controlled, not a big deal, inflation is bad for rich people, good for people in debt)
AND
1% of people in America have more wealth than the bottom 90% of people combined
Tax them.
"But hurr durr they will leave"
Ok bye, they're banned from ever coming back to America or doing business in America.
Liam Carter
the first point is what I was saying. I assume that the left wouldn't argue for anything near 50k/year because that would be silly. My question is why is 18k/year not silly for the same reasons? It would cause inflation though, everyone has an extra check every month, demand would increase in a variety of sectors, thus raising prices. Not like crazy of course, but it would happen. You're correct about income rates. this just makes the inflation more likely. As giving everyone an extra 1k would almost double the income of half the country, and still be a big gain for another 20-35%. So 3/4 the country being given a noticeably large increase in discretionary income is going to increase demand like crazy for cheap shit all the way up to expensive shit (not rich guy-tier shit though, but TV's, cars, electronics, houses, food, clothing, etc...)
Leo Allen
You're really attached to those imaginary gibs aren't you, you lazy piece of shit? Don't you realize that most people will do exactly as you plan to do and just stop working? Enslaving the whole economy so you can feel good about getting gibs because everyone is on the dole now is not going to make the world a better place.
Jonathan Collins
I don't see any other choice except mass homelessness.
If it wasn't for the older generations (which are going to die soon) supporting 10s of millions of 20/30 year olds in America, those 20/30 year olds would all be homeless right now.
10s of millions have no economic opportunity to make a living for themselves, and it will only get worse.
Dominic Anderson
How about the rich kill the poor who cannot or will not contribute, does that ever come into question? What use will useless people be.
USELESS EATERS
Hunter Walker
If you want money beyond the fixed amount given by UBI, you start producing something new that people want. if you just want to survive,you stayas a UBI NEET.
Colton Rivera
There's simply not enough jobs that pay a living wage, for the amount of people who need them.
This will only get more true.
Jason Miller
This is the only thing I think would make me support UBI. I think it's still stupid and economically illiterate, however, if they'd agree to completely remove the existing welfare state, it's much fucking fairer to do ubi than this crap, also at least the giant spending that would occur would all go to actual people and not welfare bureaucracy.
I actually think anyone not on the left should fully support this measure. We get to funnel the welfare state 1) into one small no overhead "program" 2) that actual working people would get some benefit from, not just gibsmedats. and lastly, it would hasten the demise of the debt based bullshit economy that just won't completely implode, as they'd have to increase ubi every few months to keep it "useful".
Bring on UBI.
Jason Collins
Property owners are looking to cash in, rental prises will rise and they'll make bank. Nothing to see here.
Hudson Sullivan
There are more poor you know.
Dominic Anderson
Only give UBI to POCs IMO.
Jose Rodriguez
We should give it to immigrants only, they CHOSE Canada, and they deserve something for that.
Jordan Cooper
What I would do to prime her ass hole for my cock that lolipop. How many licks would it take to get her holes primed for a rough fucking?
Thomas Murphy
The police are becoming ever more militarized to deal with this.
Nathan Rivera
The problem is that welfare is pretty hard to get on, where as UBI everyone is on. I'm unemployed right now, but can't get on welfare because I have too much in my savings. If I got $1000 a month in government handouts I'd just stop looking for a new job, and so would a lot of other people. People who are now paying in to the system would quit their jobs to live off of UBI and there'd be far less money going in to it than there was into welfare.
Jordan Reyes
>Her
Chase Anderson
Mass homelessness and starvation are the answers, you dumb, lazy NEET piece of shit. This will lead to the return to the land and community and family bonds forming once again to support people, not 1984-esque nietzschian plot to turn us all into the Last Man. You are useless. Numb yourself with your gibs into oblivion and leave actual humanity alone.
Thomas Nguyen
We already have UBI, except people have to be activily searching for a job to get it. Why would we ever go 'never mind, you dont need to get a job, heres your free money'?
Samuel Powell
I'm moving to the UK at the end of the year. How do I get elligible for UBI? t. poorfag
here's the thing, canada. You misunderstand us when we speak of the day of the rake. It is not us that will be your nightmare. It is the hordes that will impose this day upon you, and it will be us that has to choose whether or not to come to your aid. It will be a tough call, we'd want to intervene on behalf of you 66%ers, being just 56% ourselves, but.. in the end, we will have to refrain, because someone has to rake the leaves.
Why would you stop looking for a job? I mean $1000 isn't a massive amount of money.
John Johnson
Just a white nigger asking for gibs and trying to rationalize it as "good".
Jaxson Scott
brain eno and all these dumb marxists don't understand the dynamics of a liberal economics & how society adapts & evolves & how resources triple down.
The farming revolution was basically the "muh robots" case only x100 times worse. We went from 99% farmer to 0.1% farmer yet the world population only increased, if UBI wasn't necesarry than it certainly isn't necesarry now. Because look how society : everyone works for art, people now get paid to play video games, do retarded dance moves (choreographists), the car your sell, it's all art, it's all to increase sexual market value, your 350 horsepower car is art, because it doesn't increase your chances of survival (infact it only decreases it). The burberry coat I bought is art, I can buy a much more functional coat for 20 dollars, from an anthropological viewpoint, I basically spread my resources for an object that increases my sexual market value. >1% of the population is working to gather resources. 99% of the population is building art with it.
Wyatt Lopez
Be brown and have half a dozen nigglets.
Aaron Adams
same reason 50% of the us earns far less than full time minimum wage pays per year. 1) lazy 2) working for less vs not working getting more gibs.. hmm tough call
Adam Nelson
noice one down, one to go
how do I get a qt crooked teeth brit gf to give me my mutties?
>Why would we ever go 'never mind, you dont need to get a job, heres your free money'? Because poor, lazy and stupid people who don't understand economics and want others to solve their problems for them.
Because I'm unskilled and hate the field I've ended up in. 1k is more than enough to pay for food, electricity, internet and house payments, since I'd no longer need to live near where I can find work, I can get a massive house for dirt-cheap in the middle of nowhere.
Maybe giving UBI only for non-employed people? If the person is employed there is no reason to give the extra money and also would cause the inflation spike you said.
Of course this would cause a lot of lazy people to quit their jobs and live off UBI, but I bet those who would do this were never relevant at their jobs to begin with
Zachary Harris
I could live on the income from the money I have in my savings account if I received $1k per month. Ultimately I would work about 5 years to life and retire.
Colton Bell
Incredible idea senpai, just give money to the people who don't earn it, fuck those assholes with jobs, I want to play video games and I'm tired of mom t bitching at me!
Samuel Rodriguez
The dynamics at work are non-trivial. Do pay UBI even if employed and employers will lower wages by the equivalent of UBI. Don't pay UBI when employed and either employers will have to increase wages so that the utility difference between NEET on UBI and non-NEET without UBI is large enough that people actually get employed, or everything comes crashing down as the entire menial laborer workforce refuses to work.
Sebastian Turner
I bet that bitch isn't even bringing you tendies.
Jordan Kelly
it is not a question of deserving or not, we are trying to figure out how to not crash an economy, retard leaf
do you really think the son of a billionaire deserves all that free fortune? yeah, exactly, that doesn't matter in macroeconomic terms, so shut up and go suck muslim trannies cocks, retard leaf
Mason Gutierrez
SHE KEEPS TELLING ME TO GET A GIRLFRIEND AND GO OUTSIDE
FUCK HER, I WANT MONEY TO VAPE AND PLAY VIDEO GAMES
But I don't want to actually have to do anything for it.
Jason Parker
>Don't pay UBI when employed and either employers will have to increase wages so that the utility difference between NEET on UBI and non-NEET without UBI is large enough that people actually get employed
Why wouldn't this work?
Christopher Thomas
Nationalism. Because I don't use your globalist meme currencies like USD or EUR my currency gains value the more my nation exports. Automation in Iceland raises my purchasing power. A small UBI for citizens would mean we are all invested in the success of Icelandic companies exporting to international markets.
Jonathan Cook
>or everything comes crashing down as the entire menial laborer workforce refuses to work. This is pretty much what it'd guarantee.
Kevin Scott
Implement it I’ll just waste the money on dumb shit until everything collapses
Jack Taylor
ubi is communist subversion. it is this simple. sage. in. all. fields.