Why don't you support Globalism and the EU?

Literally only economically illiterate retards fail to see the value in constructs like the Schengen Zone, open borders and international unionism.

We could see massive rises in living standards if we embraced free markets, open borders and international finance.

Europe should be one country, with individual States, similar to the U.S. model. It would allow for balanced budgets with top economic advisors, global cooperation in trade, and it would eliminate the imaginary lines on a map we call "borders"

Give me real arguments here, not just shit-tier arguments.

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>Europe should be one country

No, I have nothing in common with most europeans and they can just fuck off for all I care.

Literally why? What argument is there for not doing so except for retarded shut like "national pride"?

Tried many times before.
Hasnt worked in thousands of years of european history.
Uniting europeans that is.

no. there is too much ethnic difference. In just Yugoslavia, the ethnic tensions were really high, and they're all balkan anyway. How do you think it will work with the entire Continent?

Also, diminishings of culture. The top dogs of the EU are corrupt af, so its just not feasible now. If they weren't kikes or kike-controlled, maybe

>I have nothing in common with most europeans
Fingolian telling how it is.

No, you "united" them under forced Imperialism. That's not what we're talking about here.

It would work similarly to the United States, wherein you have a Federal European government and individual State governments with a common currency (the euro), and open borders between individual States.

>The top dogs of the EU are corrupt
I wouldn't say corrupt, but certainly a bit too authoritarian. I'd like to see some leadership change and maybe a European Parliamentary restructuring to where MEPs can introduce legislation themselves instead of just voting on whatever the Commission hands down to them

>tfw you wish all the WW3 hysteria on TV was real but you know it's bullshit

I want useless, blissfully ignorant and utterly decadent fuckwads to go away and stay away so they can shit up somebody else's world.
Go shill for Ireland 2040 or some other nation destroying garbage.

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i noticed youre avoiding the singular most important point, the cultural one

I just told you, we have nothing in common.

>economically illiterate retards
>It would allow for balanced budgets with top economic advisors, global cooperation in trade
Here we go - the capitalist mentality.
>X would profitable, and after all - the only thing that matters is money
>It doesn't matter that the local culture of every nation gets destroyed in the process
>It doesn't matter that people no longer have a sense of unity or a place among their own people
>It doesn't matter that developed countries will get flooded with parasitic 3rd worlders who won't work or contribute to the economy
>It doesn't matter that multiculturalism results in soaring crimerates and ethnic tensions as people are naturally tribalistic
>It doesn't matter the European people will get ultimately wiped out and outbred by foreigners, effectively genociding our own people
>It doesn't matter that with the demise of the native Europeans, the very culture that allowed the formation of the EU will fall as well
>None of these things are important - because SHORT TERM PROFIT!
The reason I don't support it because some things are worth more then money.

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What does it matter? European cultures are all very similar; almost interchangeable, in fact.

>The same currency
>Similar cultures
>Similar economic policies

Until you start importing non-European immigrants in ridiculous numbers.

>Why don't you support Globalism and the EU?
because it destroys the world

it is globalism
it kills the white color jobs and forces the working class into poverty, thereby destroying the forces that drive the market/redistribution

it allows for outsourcing of industries
it is a gigantic lobbyist office
it hates traditionalism and traditional arts and local cultures
it funds lbtq and feminist art
it tries to prevent nationalism
it is anti white
it is anti European
It awards corruption and corrupt politicians
it is regressive
the leadership of the union is anti-democratic, as well as the union itself as seen during brexit.
it circumvented the free market and is currently taxing member countries
it makes it hard for membership countries to exit

and most of all
it forces countries to have open borders both internally within the union and to submit to massive immigration

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Who said we'd see a mass influx of third worlders? Especially in the absence of the welfare State, what incentive would they have to come here?

The EU has generally handled the refugee crisis effectively, with the exception of Sweden and Germany, but then that's their individual governments who decided to give more gibs to them

In the absence of a welfare State, open borders can only lead to prosperity

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>>The same currency
So what? That's changed easily enough.
>>Similar cultures
Says who? Based on what metric? And similar does not mean the same, and I rather they remain separate instead of blending into some shitty mix of the two.
>>Similar economic policies

So what?

Ireland is one of the leeches in the EU budget so it's easy to see why you'd be in favor of the whole thing, of course.

>It kills white collar jobs
No, it enhances them. It increases labour competition for certain industries, such as software and engineering, for example, because there are no border protections for certain groups
>It allows for the outsourcing of industries
Translation: "My country's people aren't competitive at all"
>It hates traditionalism
No, it hates authoritarianism. There's a difference. Any individual is free to act as he wishes
>Tries to prevent Nationalism
That's a good thing. Nationalism is backwards and the cause of the majority of history's wars

it is riddled with corruption, as shown in luxleaks
it makes us dependent on Chinese exports, leaving all of Europe on the mercy of external nations who harbour our industries which possibly are owned in part by congress members of the congress of the EU.

there is no transparency
no oversight
no revision
It is in fact one of the most Orwellian political entity, almost beating the regime in North Korea

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>Ireland is an EU leech
We paid 42% of the EU's bank debt, you absolute nigger. How dare you

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housing prices increase do to influx of population (supply and demand) also your policy of " freedom of movement " destroys cultures and my life style.

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>Who said we'd see a mass influx of third worlders?
>we'd see
We already are seeing it. The EU is now turning on it's own members because they refuse to subject themselves to it.
That alone is evidence that this is not just the local policy of the Germany and Sweden, but the official policy of the EU itself as an institution.
One thing you conveniently seem to ignore is that the EU has existed for quite a long time now, yet the mass anti-EU sentiment started only recently, in line with the migrant crisis.

>No transparency
MEPs are elected democratically, and referenda are often held on major EU legislation, such as the Lisbon Treaty
>Orwellian
Yeah, that European Court of Human Rights and protections of freedom of speech is definitely Orwellian

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all these Sup Forumstards cannot handle european unity lmao

Because the EU will be destroyed in the war of 2033.
Learn to scry.

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#1 reason an Irish drunkard supports the EU?

Gibs.

I literally can smell their faulty DNA from here, goddamn.

No country is forced to take refugees. Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Austria have all refused, and nothing has happened. We in Ireland take in the fewest in Western Europe, and we haven't been subjected to thought policing or Orwellian nonsense.

Stop with the hyperbole

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>He says, as he collects his food stamp rations for that month

Okay, 56%. Believe what you want

Cut Pillar one and three
kill the EUP
Balkanize Germany and France
Hang Junker, Schulz, Barroso and Solana and implement and maximum of 10 years for being active in Brussels, this should include even the janitors. Then we might talk about the EU

>stop with the hyperbole
>reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-easteurope-infringeme/eu-threatens-hungary-poland-with-fines-if-refuse-refugees-idUSKCN1BH1JH?il=0
>bbc.com/news/world-europe-42270239

>yugoslavia
>mfw

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>Literally only economically illiterate retards
Dropped. I'm a proud rural retard, fuck you city fag, go get your ass fucked by a somali tranny in some back alley.

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Not sure if retard or bait. A first world country cannot compete with third world standards like child labour, be they inside or outside the EU

I don't support corporate written legislation, transnational corporatism, or bodies of power being built further away from local action. Rhetoric used in defense of this course is focus-tested systemic propaganda; burn in hell for your treason.

Because it comes with a thing called "The Euro" - a one size fits all currency that basically strips any country not on par with Germany of its sovereignty.

>Laughs in German

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>No country is forced to take refugees. Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Austria
Excuse me????
Forget previous post, Kill every pro EU individual and burn their remains with the remains of their guests

Well, in democracy arguments as "national pride" is as worthy as ones which acctualy analyses polit-economic perspectives, each of us has a one vote when election day comes. So fuck off kike, and nobody needs to prove anyone anything.

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Globalism is shit, every media outlet just brings american news, plays american movies, american music, etc.
Every country turns into USA eventually.

The music part bothers me the most because there's so much good music out there but the US only produces the lowest tier garbage which gets played everywhere.

North Korea is the last save bastion from all this.

To be fair, he was already comparing the EU to the US. Compare North Carolina to California for example, you can find some vastly different cultures here but we're still united.

>No, it enhances them
how!?

By bringing in billions of niggers?
By redefining the definition of unemployed?
By promoting outsourcing in a process they believe is modernizing the European market, making it dependent on petty sales on not being in charge of its own facilities?

give me a fucking break.
Take Europe now, and turn the clock back 30 years, and see for yourself.
Most people now are either students or unemployed, This is the situation in Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Uk.. you fucking name it.

>It increases labour competition
do you know what competition is?
That means that more people apply fora job because more people are Unemployed, THATS NOT A GOOD DEVELOPMENT, it means less people in the country are able to afford the services, it means loans and debt will go up, and people will never be able to pay those loans. Same goes for taxes, which is why we have cutbacks everywhere, all over Europe
Its closing down because EU is a fucking pyramide scheme

>Translation: "My country's people aren't competitive at all"
So you want to work for 0.01 usd an hour
how do you think that affects the market?
Holy fuck are you an idiot.

>No, it hates authoritarianism
By forcing policies on people they clearly do not want? EU IS Authoritarianism

>There's a difference. Any individual is free to act as he wishes
That sounds good an all except even everything is monopolized and monetized under the fucking iron curtain of the EU you retard
you cant move into the wilderness to shoot game and live of that, no housing permit, no hunting permit and its all government land and fines ensue. That is NOT Freedom you fucking faggot

>Prveneting nationalism a good thing
Is it?
Preventing the only political system that gives people a sense of belonging and assembly is a good thing?
What you think people will die in wars for the fake free nigger citizenship of the EU, its not even worth the paper its written on.
EU has history, EU is no culture

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>yet
GTFO with that crap. The fact that the EU leaders don't have the spine to crack down on the based East doesn't change the rhetoric, the rules, or the possible consequences. And open borders means the refugees can come in one country and immigrate to the other.

Hard borders are just a symptom of what has always plagued Europe since Rome fell: language. You can't share or form a culture without a common language. The U.S. model came about by forcing everyone to learn English.

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>freedom of speech
>hate speech laws

Lmao! Just lower trade restrictions, work to generalize regs, and build trust, retard. You don't have to be one country. That's completely missing the point...

the EU must die
stop larping

that is from a the guardian article

It really shows what the EU is all about

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Because sovereignty is more important than economic success.

I don't agree with this because it sounds like identity politics, but do you have a source that isn't Shitebart?

Cheers user. Added to my file.

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But hate speech laws aren't official EU policy, burger. For example, we in Ireland don't have hate speech laws and neither does Poland, but Germany and the UK do

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here is another
its from the independent

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>It would work similarly to the United States
So Europe is going to adopt one language and culture?

Stupid fucking potatonigger

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>He thinks the US has one culture
Fucking stupid burger. Try comparing the cultures of a Texan versus a New Yorker

What is sovereignty? These words like 'culture' and 'sovereignty' are just buzzwords thrown around by authoritarian Right-wingers to justify xenophobia and economic protectionism

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>No, you "united" them under forced Imperialism. That's not what we're talking about here.
Yes it is. The modern EU today can be traced back to the American occupation of Germany, Italy, and the rest of Europe. Its precursor organization, the European Economic Community's goal was to effectively link the steel industry to every country, making it virtually impossible to amass enough steel to build an army...lots of parallels to our current situation in America, with the tariffs in the news.

Binland and Turkey have similar cultures?
Aren't France and UK also suffering increased crime and sexual assault as they took in unassimilating migrants? Open borders can only work between countries that have similar cultures or at least standards for behavior.

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Literally only illiterate retards fail to see whats wrong with a foreign for Israel controlled pseudo regime superceeding your own governement and restricting and dictating your countries laws, rights, politics and economy.

The goal was to have a free trading zone in Europe, and eventually they began working towards what is now the European Union.

The modern EU is not a story of Imperialism. It is a story of more Globalism and economic unionism

>habla espaniollll
fucking socialist
just go fuck some niggers and get it over with, your love ardent advocating for other cultures is so obviously sexual that it fucking hurts

did you import some thai tranny and have to support her on your low eu sales wage you dumb fuck? because that is what you sound like

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>What we need is more globalism
No.
>pic related

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>Give me real arguments here, not just shit-tier arguments.

People don't want it.

For someone with a Gadsden flag, you're making very Collectivist statements here. Are you collectivising migrants as rapist and criminals like the monsters in Rotherham?

Sovereignty means you're not someone elses little bitch, you fucking cia nigger.

>These words like 'culture' and 'sovereignty' are just buzzwords

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I agree and so did the nazis.

I am always surprised that this board isnt aware that the same people who ran the nazi party are the same people who thought of the concept of the EU and made the BIS to make that vision possible.

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Okay i give you a clear example in the context of my country. We in Switzerland have direct democracy, so the people in Switzerland have quite a bit more to say when it comes to the laws and decisions of our country.
If we were to join the EU we wouldn't have that anymore or just a castratrated version of it.
Why should we give that up?

>sovereignty
Sovereignty means your state or country isn't a part of a federal union like the EU is planning to implement

fucking retard

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Globalism, oh yeah, we'll all be equal alright, equally poor.

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>No, it hates authoritarianism.
It's centralization of power over a ton of different countries with their own cultures. It is authoritarian because it imposes the will of the overarching Region on each of its member states that might not agree with it.
And even if it didn't enforce any specific rules, it increases competition for each job, driving down wages as the poorer countries volunteer to work for less and re-concentrates labor like the US losing everything to China and Mexico

Nice argument there

"Someone else's bitch"
What does this mean? The EU gives every member State a voice

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>to justify xenophobia
ohh, there we go
Xenophobia!! Xenophobia !!!

>awww, muh pooor pooor nigges who cant speak for themselves so big daddy chainsmoking faggot in ireland have to speak for them
fucking idiot
this type of mentality shows you are the Actual racist you fucking lefty cunt!

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answer my post you sales rep EU-freeloading faggot

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Because, while you may give up some elements of direct democracy, you may also take advantage of the Schengen Zone and the euro currency, and also of international free trade between countries