Have you read Nietzsche, Sup Forums? Have you let the Based Kraut into your hearts?
> inb4 he was Polish He said that, but it was bullshit. He didn't want to be a kraut, but he was one. His cousin Max Oehler did the genealogy.
> predicted the decline of Europe > predicted the rise of communism > predicted feminism > predicted the decline of Christian morality (and contributed to it, kek) > predicted the period of hedonistic nihilism we're living through > turned into a camel shortly after he was born, then into a lion, and finally into a child, at which point he decided to grow up > BTFO'd Wagner
> but leaf, he loved the kikes Not really, but everyone he knew who hated them was a brainlet. He gave the kikes credit where it was due, but he still thought they were a bunch of sickos.
> but nitszhce was a faggot with syphilis Wrong. He was a permavirgin like everyone on this Nigerian lanyard-making board, and never had syphilis. ((( leonardsax.com/Nietzsche.pdf )))
Bump this, Sup Forums. Let's get a discussion going.
Who gives a shit about the past, coming from a Canadian thats in Mexico on vacation
Joshua Flores
Nietzsche was a monstrous faggot who could not get what he wanted (a woman) so he became a "philosopher". Well done! Fucker died of some STD he got from a pro.
Christian Rogers
Nietzsche was a genius, too bad his philosophies have been bastardize by edgy faggots.
The zenith of edge-lord beta cucks. He'd love modern Germany.
Austin Perez
READ Herman Hesse before you read Nietzche, and here is why... the internal struggle comes first. You master yourself first and your race second. Start with Narcissus and Goldmund.
>did nothing of consequence to prevent any of those shitty developments meh, useless
Noah Murphy
He didn't BTFO Wagner.
He unironically REEEE'd about antisemitism. He was an individualist and hated German nationalism yet claimed to have respect for Jews because of their ability to exist as a tribe in Europe. Hypocritical and Self-contradictory. Which is unsurprising as if you actually read his works you can see that inconsistency and pettiness are actually commonplace in his works. To be fair though, whatever disease or illness he had that turned him into a dribbling lunatic probably had greater impact than people typically provide for it.
Honestly, fuck Nietzsche. He ripped off and muddied Schopenhauer. Heidegger and Evola both took Nietzsche and managed to recover something from all his ramblings.
He also predicted the rise of the EU, with each nation as a federal state in one union. That was late in his life in the 1890s I think. Thomas Mann said it was impressive for someone as apolitical as him.
>Nietzsche proposed to some russian chick who he had a threesome relationship with but was rejected 3 TIMES >she left him in the end He seems to be the perfect philosopher for this board
Sebastian Nelson
> being this retarded
Hunter Lewis
Only the ideas that we really live have any value. Hermann Hesse
Jaxon Roberts
Nietzsche would hate modern Germany. He thought Germany was too soft in his time. Just kill yourself polack, you're not convincing anyone.
Logan Robinson
Don't listen to this commie. Hesse wasn't worthy to clean Nietzsche's boots.
Dylan Parker
> helping the rest of us understand was useless kys
Matthew Mitchell
Read him more carefully. He had respect for the Jews in a certain sense, namely in the sense that they were a brilliant parasite, and he didn't regard that as "morally wrong." It's like a biologist might respect the effectiveness of a virus, even if he doesn't want to be infected by it himself. It's not a contradiction, and Nietzsche rarely seems petty to me.
Also, Schopenhauer himself is muddy as fuck when you get into the guts of his philosophy, and Nietzsche is a lot more clear and consistent than you think. It's a laugh to praise Heidegger and call Nietzsche obscure at the same time.
Gavin Foster
>He thought Germany was too soft in his time This is how I know that you're an illiterate brute.
Nietzche was in favor of autocracy, aristocracy, the caste system, and the wholesale slaughter of much of the human population. While his ideas on religion's "slave morality" are pretty provocative and he makes some valid points, he represents the world in such dualistic terms that its hard not to cackle here at there as he presents arguments for "strong vs. weak" and brute force with an air of bombastic pseudo-sophistication. He was an aesthetician of violence and exploitation, he was pro-slavery and subjugation, and believed that all of humanity and animals are locked in an eternal struggle in which mercy and compassion had no place. He was right in that people are losing the concept of gods in the face of technology and science, but wrong in his belief that the strong have a right to dominate the weak and especially, dangerously wrong when he said that instincts are the most powerful form of intelligence. Instincts are very primitive and relying on snap judgments, emotions, and "intuition" makes people go horribly wrong most of the time. And while he would have disagreed with the Nazis on anti-semitism and racism, his entire philosophy gave birth to MANY of the ideologies of the Nazis. Namely, Nietzche was a collectivist, he believed in the magnificence and essentially of war, he believed in might and deception, he believed in the ridding of guilt and conscience when suppressing the weak as he believed their subjugation was a biological, Darwinian inevitability, he believed that trade and economic liberalism were damaging, he was anti-intellectual, believed in strong government, the ridding of conscience and replacement of it with the opposite values to form a new "non-slave" conscience, and he believed in state regulation of marriage and sex, and eugenics. The Nazis believed all of that and made the Hitler Youth read some of his work. Not much room to counter argue for the Nietzche apologists or circle jerkers, you're all just angsty fags.
It's one of a number of sources. It's a published article from a medical journal, just the copy from the author's website. And yes, the author is a kike.
Nathaniel Sanders
>the strong shouldn’t dominate the weak Lmao typical commie
Nietzsche never described the Jews as parasitical at all.
As a matter of fact what Sup Forums cares parasitism is something he'd applaud them for. The man admired stronger men that enslave the weak for their own purposes.
Camden Morris
Cooperation is preferable to competition since it creates more social cohesion and harmony.
Thomas Peterson
No. He understood that the slave morality could get stronger than master but that wouldn’t necessarily mean they would instantly turn into the master
Josiah Adams
>competition is literally nature No matter what humans are gonna be competitive especially males. Cooperation doesn’t inspire the need to improve
Chase Phillips
This, he advocated for rising above the slave-master moralities and abolishing them altogether.
Josiah Thompson
Jews are master morality as fuck dude. They look at for their own kind first and have no problem exploiting people to meet their needs.
>Psychologically, the Jews are a people gifted with the very strongest vitality, so much so that when they found themselves facing impossible conditions of life they chose voluntarily, and with a profound talent for self-preservation, the side of all those instincts which make for décadence—not as if mastered by them, but as if detecting in them a power by which “the world” could be defied. The Jews are the very opposite of décadents: they have simply been forced into appearing in that guise, and with a degree of skill approaching the non plus ultra of histrionic genius they have managed to put themselves at the head of all décadent movements (—for example, the Christianity of Paul—), and so make of them something stronger than any party frankly saying Yes to life. To the sort of men who reach out for power under Judaism and Christianity,—that is to say, to the priestly class—décadence is no more than a means to an end
>décadence is no more than a means to an end >The Jews are the very opposite of décadents
Straight from his own writing.
Parker Ross
Cooperation is however far more common in communities that have surplus production since the weight of individual becomes less.
Aaron Peterson
>not reading the works of Nietzsche and CS Lewis side by side lol OP, stop being a fag and join the Holist Master-race
Also didn't neitzhe pay a prostitute and got syphalis from her? Wouldn't be surprised, incels do it too.
Brayden Jackson
I dismiss everything you said with a wave of my hand. When the weak bite the hand that feeds the weak get put down. That's the only thing you filthy losers need to remember if you expect to have a future.
William Mitchell
Only theoretically works in prosperous times. The second droughts and famine set in everyone is scrambling to feed themselves. Weird huh
Tyler Hernandez
True, but this is all besides the point.
Noah Butler
No he didn’t. He said specifically that master morality was far more preferable to slave morality. He just said that after the nihilist wave new morals would arrive. Never specified what.
Asher Russell
The weak have nothing to fear from the powerful, since we outnumber them and have nothing to lose expect our chains.
Kevin Moore
What point?
Nathan Perez
I think you should re-read the "on the genealogy of the morals" and essays 2 and 3 in particular.
Robert Russell
Cooperation leads to social cohesion.
Levi Green
LOL How about a huge fucking fine or a jail sentence? That means no interwebz, vidya, animu, or pr0n.
That's enough to discourage most people.
Adam Nelson
Yes.
I can't remember much of it, I read two or three of his books a long time ago, but he was somewhat great.
Evan Roberts
>Cooperation leads to social cohesion. and why in the hell should i cooperate with anyone commie? "because its right"? fuck that, what do i get out of it?
>He didn't want to be a kraut, but he was one. How long has Germany been doing this?
Parker Diaz
At the expense of what? Giving up hard earned work just for the community? It would breed resentment. As a farmer it would piss me off if society came in and just took my cattle for the good of “society”
Brody Bailey
Ayn Rand?
Luke Carter
Not shot in the back of your neck, kulak. State apparatus has means to keep the dissidents silent...
Colton Martinez
Yeah you’re either 16 or meme-ing
Samuel Kelly
Not really, but ultimately people are selfish and any system which does not give someone what they want in exchange for what they are giving is inherently unfair. Communism and Socialism both take the rightfully earned capital of the workers and rends it unto their caesar/dictator/lord. So in a hyperbolic sense, WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANYONE ELSE UNLESS I GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT?!?!?
Just memeing, but I still think you should revisit "on genealogy of morals" since at least how I understood it was contradictionary to your point how Nietzsche preferred master morality.
Carter Collins
>hurrdurr Niezche wanted to kill, rape, and enslave everyone
>A FUCKING FINN and i thought leafs were the cancer of Sup Forums
Gavin Nguyen
No it's not. It's more common in very small communities, regardless of abundance.
Jason Russell
Everyone on this thread deserved this for not taking this to /lit/ since its dying and you faggots want discuss literature among all these mongoloids.
Luke Carter
yes, and enough already with the idiotic syphilis myth, that was debunked long ago, he had a kundalini breakdown on the way to moksha, happens a lot, cf Meher Baba
Ryder Roberts
/lit/ has been dead since forever.
Levi Gomez
This. Sociologists will agree that in a tighter-knit community, people are more willing to do labor as favors than for capital, and even then there is still a "you scratch my back i scratch yours" system involved.
DESU i came in here to shitpost and came out a little bit wiser. Next time do a better job hiding the obvious bait user.
Leo Perry
I got his book Thus Spoke Zarathustra never got around to it. What should j expect? What's the best way to read his books, I try to read but my mind wonders somewhere else and just aimlessly read without of what I'm reading.
>What's the best way to read his books critically. you really need to think about what he means, take time after each chapter/sectin/chunk to reflect on what has been said and the implications of it.
Jacob Morris
He was literally a self-flagellating cuck.
Logan Rodriguez
Nietzsche sucks ass. He's not even a philosopher, just a shitty prose-poet (if there is such a thing).
>its hard not to cackle here at there as he presents arguments for "strong vs. weak" and brute force with an air of bombastic pseudo-sophistication. He was an aesthetician of violence and exploitation
Pretty much this. He was the original internet tough-guy-basement-dweller. He talked so much shit about being a strong, violent, morally pristine ubermensch perservering through a hard life all the while living a degenerate beta life in the comfiest of cities (Paris).
Ryder Watson
t. I have not actually read his works
Anyone who has read even one of his books would know that I made that text in bad faith.
I mean what more could you ask for? He really is the most relevant philosopher to the crisis of modernity.
Nathaniel Turner
Don't bother with that one, he injected so much symbolism into it that you need to be really familiar with his previous works to even begin to comprehend (read the first series of lecturers "What is Called Thinking" by Heidegger to see this). The best way to read Nietzsche is to start with the pre-socratics (Epicurus, Heraclitus etc) move on to Plato, then Aristotle, Spinoza, Kant, and then Emerson. You also must read the Bible, the Koran, the Pali Canon and the Bhagavad Gita. There's more but you need a firm understanding of these guys to start to grasp what Nietzsche is getting at.
t. Idiot who wasted a college education learning this shit
>bullying whatever you say, [insert teasing insult here]. Learn to grow thicker skin, or have you forgotten where you are?
Jason Price
>strong, violent, morally pristine This is so fucking wrong I don't even know where to begin. How about...
A FUCKING LEAF
Matthew Bell
it's the most metaphorical of his books read it a paragraph at a time and digest everything in that paragraph, you'll find a few consistent themes
Colton Roberts
Nietzsche was way too harsh on Christian Europe imo. I see some parallels in christian morals and the self flaggelating tendencies of liberals, but it has to be seen as a perversion of christian values at worse.
To me it wasn't so much an inherent flaw of Christian teachings, but just an inevitable result of entropy and of people taking a moral code to an absurd and autistic extreme.
Plus Nietzsche didn't offer much of a solution. He admitted pagan larping was a joke HIs idea of becoming who you are is really only practical for the elite and still provides no moral foundation to constrain them.
IMO we should fix and revive christianity, not discard it for woke atheism.
Nietzsche is at heart a religious thinker, even if he is an atheist. Understanding these religions (especially Christianity and Buddhism) will drastically improve your understanding of Nietzsche
Mason Campbell
Entire thread is flame bait. Thomas Hobbes out thought Nietzsche's ideal of weak and strong. John Stuart Mill obliterated Hobbes in On Liberty. And Herman Hesse explored and negated most of Nietzsche's thinking starting first where Nietzsche's began and ending up very close to a Buddhist pacifist's ideal. read fuckers. Read it all. Learn and think and grow.
I took a university course on Nietzsche lol. He is by far the most contradictory mainstream philosopher in history
Matthew Parker
>You master yourself first and your race second. Never thought I'd agree with a commie
Carter Robinson
imagine being so enclosed in your virginal bubble of delusion that you think you can debunk Nietzsche in a paragraph
Liam Price
Not really, no. He saw the obvious problems of Schopenhauer and tried to rework them into something useful, because he understood you'll be more at successful evolving a broken system into a working system than trying to convince people that their ontological framework is fundamentally wrong.
Nietzche also tried the opposite approach when it came to ethics. Probably because he saw the moral systems of western civilization being tossed on their heads and massacred around him with alarming success.
This is where the idea of the inconsistent Nietzche comes from. People who never studied rhetoric, like Nietzche did as the average classically educated 19th Century European.
Easton Johnson
>I've only read the posthumous nazified Will to Power and think I understand Nietzche Typical commie.
Liam Rogers
>but it has to be seen as a perversion of christian values at worse. Have you read the man? His attack on "christianity" starts at it's very core.
Your typing makes it seem like you have no knowledge of what the guy fucking beleives.
>IMO we should fix and revive christianity Revive what? If there's no christian god there's no longer a basis for it's morality. What's more it's historical claims of legitimacy are also without foundation (for instance the accuracy of the gospels in recording the original teachings of Jesus).
And when you strip away the need for a deity, for historical truth, all you are left with is a moral system of slave morality.
Ryan Garcia
based jewish supremacist >What we nowadays call a "nation" in Europe is essentially more a res facta [something made] than a res nata [something born] (indeed sometimes it looks confusingly like a res ficta et picta [something made up and unreal]- ), in any case something developing, young, easily adjusted, not yet a race, to say nothing of aere perennius [more enduring than bronze], as is the Jewish type.
Can someone explain why every faggot college professor calls him a nihilist? I've read everything he wrote and he's the exact opposite. It must be The Big Lie Technique our führer warned us against.
Nietzche was a nihilist and, IIRC, used the term to describe himself a few times. The thing is that nihilism came to mean the opposite of what Nietzche and contemporary nihilists meant.
>19th Century nihilism >Nothing matters except what we make matter, so we should be our best possible selves >20th Century nihilism >Nothing matters so don't give a fuck about anything
Something something cultural marxism.
Elijah Wright
its really sad for me to see how Sup Forums celebrates nietzsche for all the wrong reasons while knowing nothing of his actual work.
Landon Sullivan
I wanna start reading Nietzsche but I heard its really hard to get into, which of his works should I start with?
Jayden Powell
People just don't understand Nietzsche enough. I think everyone on pol should read Nietzsche. He understood that the strong had strength in themselves, but all the peril and responsibilities that go along with being a man of your own. To be a man and not consumed by the day and the mass means no one will empathize with you when are led astray and that they shouldn't. One should regardpity for the weak as envy of the strong. Most of the moralsnowadays are made to make man an American tool, an assembly line easily understood machine of predictable inputs and outputs rather than a lone creature who must depend on itself. Pol doesn't realize that tour philosophy diverges from that of the Marxised Normie's in that we prefer the rearing of the strong at the expense of preserving the parasitic weak.
