Kemono Friends

So it's starting to seem doubtful that we're getting the original staff back for a second season. I wonder if that new mobile game is going to be an example of the standard of quality going ahead.

What are your thoughts on the matter Sup Forums?

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My thoughts on the matter are that (even ignoring the Sup Forums side of things entirely) it's as if a bomb went off in a market square and Kemono Friends will never recover from this travesty. Fanwork ground to a complete halt after the incident, has still not recovered, and may never recover.

At this point I don't even give a shit about the existence or non-existence of an S2 anymore. I just want some sort of resolution that will tie everything up and turn the saga of Kemono Friends into a story that you can think about without feeling like someone punched you in the gut.

It bothers me that they are in eternal negotiations, at some point someone will have to say something

If they refuse to back down, then enjoy your dead franchise. Tatsuki would enjoy the support he got from new fans whereas Kadokawa would suffer 10 more years of 0.0% growth

Maybe they wanted KF so much because they saw the potential and thought it would be the one to save them. Idiots

Maybe this is just the speed at which Japanese business moves. We don't usually have this level of insight into what's going on with a production.

The fanbase will be fine if Tatsuki announces he has full creative control again.

I'm really going to miss Tatsuki's near unlimited flow of extra images and animation for KF. They were ridiculously charming, and had an earnest passion behind them. That's something you just cannot replicate. Even if S2 turned out to be a trend setting masterpiece, it will still be missing a little something from Tatsuki's days that will still be missed.

That's a cute picture. I don't know if I'm sold on Scarlet's redesign though.

Really, who is pulling whose tail right now? All sources lead to Kadokawa being the one to enforce more stricter control over the IP, so really all this negotiating is just grounding Yaoyorozu to submit to their terms or leave indefinitely. And not just Kadokawa too, but all the other companies with a say in the production committee are probably either being laidback to avoid taking any fault in this matter or really just waiting for either side to fall so that they can maximize whatever profits they can at the right time. There's no saying what anyone can do at this point, but hopefully it's not just nothing.

She's lewder and smugger, what's not to love?

Nothing is going to be dead either way Tatsuki or not.

>Fanwork ground to a complete halt after the incident, has still not recovered, and may never recover.

Not sure what you are talking about to be honest, there is plenty of stuff each and everyday still and it never stopped at all.

I actually think Scarlet's design is a bit too slutty. The thigh high and expression make her look entirely too forward.

KF is. No franchise ever survived that much bad pr

Konami is aware of this that's why they still haven't released the new Metal Gear

That's the thing that hurts me the most, Tatsuki put his heart and soul into everything KF related that he did. The audio drama could have just been a minor side thing but it was great thanks to Tatsuki.

It's just a crappy thing to happen to a person who clearly put a lot of love and passion into what he was working on.

That being said no matter what happens to KF going forward, I would love to see an Tatsuki orginal anime sometime in the future.

Despite what has happened most people will still quite happily continue watching and supporting the franchise.

Approval scores are almost back to normal for the Friends Hour already.

>No franchise ever survived that much bad pr
mass effect did,
its crap but EA still makes millions of it.

Negotiations last a long time, there's much to be done when doing things officially.

Porn isnt for laughing

Fucking thanks Serval

Well no matter how much people hate Kadokawa, they are still going to support the VAs.

Maybe it's just subjective bias, but I felt like the rate at which MMDs/MADs were being produced went completely into the shittier on the 25th and the only thing that's really left is a pile of Jaguar videos.

I didn't really run any numbers but it does seem to me that the rate of fanart / fancomics has slowed down even if there's still a good deal of it coming out.

They certainly didn't support the VAs last time immediately after the incident giving it shitty approval ratings as you can see in the image.

>watching random vocaloid music video
>fucking Serval face out of nowhere
I don't know if I'll be able to get used to this meme being anywhere outside of KF material

We all know how badly it went last time. Negotiation called everything down but nah. The cash cow would die if they refuse to give the fans what they wanted

Are you reffering to Mass Effect Andromeda?
Yeah, they made a profit but the reception was so bad that the only DLC planned for it was canned.

Sequel was said to be possible but lol no it isn't

The comments roll for Hour 13 was full of shit like "but Kadokawa gets a 5" and "but the seiyuu get a 1," it was the first post-incident Kemono Friends event and a lot of people were waiting to see what would happen. Everybody in that room seiyuu included knew exactly why the scores for that one were totally fucked and it had nothing to do with the seiyuu themselves.

People who were watching Hour 14 were just watching because they're big seiyuu nerds.

I love sluts!

People who were watching Friends Hour 14 were watching because they announced there would be a reveal about the game before hand.

It's fairly clear that most people no longer care enough about what has happened to put a protest vote in. People are unhappy about Tatsuki sure but that isn't going to stop most playing the game and continuing to watch and support the franchise.

I mean just go look at the comments section about the game on twitter for the pre-registration. Straight after the incident almost anything posted would be full of "bring back Tatsuki" and anti-Kadokawa comments. Now it is just full of people talking about how excited they are and how they have pre-registered.

Game was looking like trash even before the shitstorm happened. Humans coming back out of nowhere is retarded.

I thought humans were only around because the game was set in the past.

BURN TAKESHOBO TO THE GROUND

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Is kemono finally dead ? i'm not up to date.

Mass Effect Andromeda is now Free to Play, user

What's even the point if game has nothing to do with anime? It sounds like it's exactly the same shit as first game.

Unknown. We would know once the negotiations ended

No one is angry anymore. We ain't stopping the boycott though

yeah but you have to install origin, which I refuse to do.

It's a load of rubbish. Even among people who hardcore care enough to watch a shitty livestream that baited people into watching it by promising to dish dirt where 60% blamed Kadokawa and hardly anybody blamed anyone from Yaoyorozu near 50% still said they would watch or try watching S2 even if Tatsuki wasn't involved. Sure there will be some people who won't watch or play anything to do with it anymore but there will also be plenty who do.

>I mean, maybe that was the original plan, but that's not why most people piled into it.
I think you might be confused Friends Hour 14 happened today and they announced the game and approval ratings were almost normal. Friends Hour 13 was the weeks ago and got terrible ratings.

Pavilion twitter has 35k followers. That's literally nothing. Madoka game that came out a month ago is at 230k. Chinkcolle is nearing 200k.

I saw 14 and thought 13 when I replied the first time so my reply was a fail.

The point still kind of stands, the number of people piled into 13 because they were worried about Tatsuki was a lot more than the people who were camping 14 for game information. And most of those people in 13 were super unhappy campers.

Semi-reposting:
>Now it is just full of people talking about how excited they are and how they have pre-registered.
Even the best of them couldn't stay angry for a whole month after the "air was cleared." I still don't know whether to have any hope or not as to the corporate situation.

Not sure what your point is there unless you are saying Kemono Friends isn't as big as either of those yet? The game only had 20k followers prior to anything happening with Tatsuki.

So few follows on the eve of preregistration means barely anyone care. Kadokawa literally killed this franchise.

Yeah sure that might be the case. But if anything that just reinforces the point. Nobody was angry enough about Tatsuki anymore to pile in and complain about it.

Show me some comparable pre-registrations where there were a lot more registrants and lot quicker instead of making things up.

>Nobody was angry enough about Tatsuki anymore to pile in and complain about it.
it would be detrimental to your health if you tried being angry that long.

I'm a friend who's unskilled at using Sup Forums.

Tatsuki himself has 191K and the Kemono Friends official anime twitter has 167K. Which really isn't surprising in any way, since spinoff material is always less popular than the original.

>near 50% still said they would watch or try watching S2 even if Tatsuki wasn't involved. Sure there will be some people who won't watch or play anything to do with it anymore but there will also be plenty who do.
Just because you're going to watch it doesn't mean you're going to buy it, and unless you're some sort of ludicrous blockbuster kids show (which Kemono Friends will never be) that's where the money is. I'll follow Kemono Friends stuff from here on out no matter what happens to Yaoyorozu. I just won't, you know, pay for it.

>Tatsuki himself has 191K and the Kemono Friends official anime twitter has 167K.
Indeed the Magia Record twitter has more followers than the Kemono Friends main anime has ever had. So if we are using anything like that to measure popularity you'd have to say its more popular than Kemono Friends entirely with or without Tatsuki.

If you are playing it that way, Uro has twice the followers of Tatsuki but no one cared when he was kicked from Psycho Pass and no one would care much if Madoka 4th movie was not his.
I'll flop but there would be no shitstorm

Tatsuki's fans are for real

I just hope this blunder doesn't get forgotten or brushed under the carpet

Just for your information here is the announcement of pre-registration for Madoka game.

twitter.com/magireco/status/781792833925545984
1.9k retweets

Here is the announcement of pre-registration for Kemono Friends game
twitter.com/kemono_pavilion/status/920634750217228289
5.6k retweets

The point I was making was that it is meaningless.

Just actually completed the OVA for this song today. pretty weird that i found this vid not too long after.
youtube.com/watch?v=lTxa0-8TiUQ

What's 2ch stance on this?

The game to anime follower-comparison isn't one to one. @magireco actually has 229K followers to @madoka_magica with 173K (incidentally, @kemo_anime has 167K). That does sort of make sense in one sense because your average anime watcher has no real need to follow an anime twitter but a mobile game player wants to stay up to date with announcements.

I don't know if it makes a real difference, but the Pavilion players are being bribed with in-game rewards. To think that 5.6k people would sell themselves for mobage rewards.

>Pavilion players are being bribed with in-game rewards.
The reward is for pre-registering, which you can do by following them on Twitter is not related to retweets. Those 5.6k people are the real deal.

Anyway, the game is gacha shit so I refuse to have anything to do with it.

I haven't looked at 2ch. There is a fair share of grumbling about the situation with Tatsuki and a couple of comments about gacha and such in the comments section in kemonofriends-ch. Some people saying they liked the game but gave the stream a lower rating because of the situation and so on. Then just a bunch general conversation about the game.

You don't get bribed to re-tweet something. You get bribed to pre-register. Almost every mobage ever that does pre-registration has pre-registration bonuses its normal.

>Anyway, the game is gacha shit so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
you're a good man user.

>Anyway, the game is gacha shit
Well fuck, there goes my expectations.

Everyone has expected it to have gacha for months now.

Did you really expect any different? The original was a gacha game too.

Particularly naive friends thought that the charming innocence of Kemono Friends would compel the development of a mobile game that didn't exist solely to addict people to wasting money on slot machines.

These friends were lured into rape dungeons and are now extinct.

>The point still kind of stands, the number of people piled into 13 because they were worried about Tatsuki was a lot more than the people who were camping 14 for game information. And most of those people in 13 were super unhappy campers.
What are the view numbers? If so you'd expect 14 to have a smaller audience than 13.

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The number of views was much smaller for 14 than 13 and I am the guy he was arguing with. Think it was around 40k as compared to 100k before. The thing is though, its clear that people are starting to care less and less if they aren't still willing to pile in and be angry, or they could just be keeping quiet while the negotiations are ongoing I suppose probably a mix of the two. The longer the negotiations go on though the more steam any group against Kadokawa is going to lose.

Silence is the best way that big companies have to counteract discontent among fans of their property. If people don't have anything to react to they don't have anything to express unhappiness about. You can't just keep complaining about the same thing forever or people just get tired about it, stop paying attention and think you are a broken record or loon.

>No comfy.

I want to soothe this serval by stroking its ears

I feel like I'm trapped in a never ending episode 11.

Was that investor's meeting ever held? WHat happened there?

But as seen in there's actually more viewers than before the shit happened. Most of the negative opinions were not from the consistent core audience.

Please discuss that anywhere else Friend. I understand you have good intentions, but there's no need for that here.

It's not good to leap to conclusions, doing so does nothing but make us look bad and waste time. Not saying the mod is right in any way, but tagging the KF deletions to him seems to be a stretch.

But seriously, everyone tweet at Hiro right now with this image. @hiroyuki_ni

This ends now

/qa/ doesn't exist

Image is down. Stop replying to it

See for yourself the reason why Sup Forums is having its loli threads and Kemono Friends threads deleted. You fucked up ABIB

The origins for Sandstar with it being from the Earth makes me wonder if there's some types of Mole men Friend living underground.
youtube.com/watch?v=fbVRDGax5s8

Walk into cafe.
See >Irasshaimasen
What do?

Explain this image

>people believe (((negotiations))) mean anything
Japanese business is bureaucratic and slow and roundabout. They'll hold a 2 hour meeting to reach a conclusion that our Tweeter-in-Chief could probably bark in 15 minutes. They bow and scrape to their superiors and don't speak up if they feel it isn't "in their place".

It's been said before but Kadokawa is a major company overseeing many projects. KF is tiny despite the fandom and they're not in any hurry if ever to capitulate to the cries on the Internet. There is no rival, no boycott, no significant partner that can pose a threat to their business. Yaoyorozu is a tiny speck with no heft or muscle. The people who talk about stocks or image ruination are kidding themselves. Kadokawa has pissed off so many fans of so many franchises before this one and they'll shrug this one off as well.

And even if Yao built the most infallible case against Kadokawa, it'll fold in the face of the latter's bullshit legal team. There's an autobiographical manga out there that details how the author in her fledgling days was reluctantly persuaded to pull her manga away from a free distributor and have it licensed by a smoothtalking Kadokawa editor - the guy boasted that if the distributor protested, Kadokawa's lawyers will steamroller him.

An actual conversation between the two companies would be low on the execs' priorities; what's the hurry? tl;dr the dream is truly dead and people have to stop hoping or they'll only hurt themselves more.

Alpaca missed a few of her shaving days

Surely they must be negotiating very intensely!

You gotta let it go, Arai-san

Nah. If they really didn't give a shit they'd just shut it down without a word.

The deep pain has passed and there's no harm in hoping, even a little. It is possible that they can recover the franchise. This isn't like Kojima and Konami, there is a legitimate chance -- to make money, and that is always good.

It must be remembered that the studio was not fired, its contract was just nullified. There is no pride or whatever to go back on. Hell, this entire thing could even be a miscommunication between book and anime divisions of Kadokawa. We don't know anything.

>laugh-inducing porn (featuring workaholic and best chorogon)
That's best kind of porn, though.

With all of the fennekaban talk going on last thread I was seriously getting worried that Kaban was going to lose her memories and get attached to Fennec this time.

That probably would have been the most upsetting thing i've seen in anime desu, even beating out MiA's melting lolis.

If tatsuki is back in the project, then gachishit or not, I will dump my entire trustfund into the game.

It's the longest 5 minutes of my life.

This

Negotiations are happening because the outrage was that huge. A bit of context here: Japan's Twitter is different from ours in several ways in that theirs is a legitimate form of communication and don't blow up redundantly over politics. It takes a lot to get sustained, widespread outrage and hashmarks trending apart from 2D artists doing informal draw-offs. It got so big that big names in the industry weighed in and that's when Kadokawa went "oh shit". There have been anime/VA related shitstorms before but seldom on this scale since social media expanded from last decade.

Tatsuki's not even involved in the game to begin with. And it's a mobage, you'll regret every single yen you spent on it.

I know, maybe I quoted the wrong part, I've been on and off these threads for a while since I've been busy. I just found out it's going to be an Kemono Atsume. I don't mind gacha if there's at least something behind it. At least the first game had some sort of gameplay, a plot and a underated OST.

But I have no other way to give money to the project

Did you buy the BDs yet? Kind of a bad timing to do that now though.

Death is the only escape.

Buy BDs, buy merch.

>wake up
>Alpaca is still an angel (Friend)

I want to believe that there are real negotiations going on behind the scenes, but if my Japanese workplace doramas have taught me anything it's that there's nothing Japanese corporate society hates more than people who rock the boat, and Tatsuki/YYZ basically blew up the powder magazine on them. I mean, that's the kind of shit that might get you in trouble even in a liberal business environment and Japan is anything but. It's hard to shake the feeling that what's going on behind the scenes is Kadokawa simply bringing their corporate guns to bear until YYZ is forced to spend all of its time greasing the wheels for their own capitulation.

I mean trying to guess what Japanese society is like based on doramas is only one step removed from thinking that Japan is just like my animes, but these depictions of the truly disgusting amount of pressure the Japanese corporation can bring to bear have to have a basis in SOMETHING. I wish Japari Park could secede from Japan.

Japanese otaku bark, but can they bite? Kadokawa owns so much shit that for most people boycotting them means burning three quarters of your collection. When people can't even muster up the rage that it takes to boycott Kemono Friends itself it sometimes feels the whole thing will just fucking blow over for a flawless Kadokawa victory.

Will season 2 be CG too?

All of the best animators in the industry will be working on this 2D project.

None of that contradicts the points I was making in my post? Nobody was angry enough anymore to come and complain.

I hope Serval's expression translates well in to 2d

I won't even stream it if this happens.

It'll be animated by KyoAni.