I believe that enough people are good and industrious enough that if we just literally gave people an apartment and a food budgets worth of food, and healthcare. Just no questions asked gave that to everyone. Yes the sponges. Yes the drug addicts. Yes everyone.
I think that being enabled in such a way of having the basic three needs taken care of, Housing, Health and Hunger. That more people will be enabled, will improve their communities and seek a better world.
The people who crave amenities will still crave them and work hard to get them. The truly driven but economically disadvantaged will rise. And all of the leeches will play with their drugs and toys in their apartment while the driven get the work done.
Less people will turn to crime and such when the need to do so to survive is not as present.
I don't find 100% sheer economic throughput to be a valuable or attainable goal. How do we create a sustainable society with an ever growing philosophy? Lots of people are shitheads but lots more just want to do good. I believe in people, I love them, I want to help. And I love you Sup Forums
>I believe that You're wrong and have no basis for believing that.
David Hernandez
I want free legal euthanasia.
Brayden Smith
You might not be wrong and don't have a reason for dismissing me out of hand.
I've met a lot of people and seen a lot of lives and worked a lot of places. Why should I be intrinsically wrong?
Caleb Adams
Because you don't know anything about economics or running a business, and everything you say is informed by your bleeding heart that wants to give the less fortunate everything they need like so much fucking manna from heaven. You love people so much you want to help them with other people's time and effort.
Matthew Carter
First sentence is an unfinished thought. You have no basis for your claims other than personal experience. I know many more people who are lazy and would leech off the system and never give. Is my anecdote any less valid than yours?
We already have government handouts used to pay people who don't want to work. Now you want to rebrand these benefits under a new name so these leeches who rob the public treasury don't suffer low self esteem? Great idea. When can we roll this out?
William Perez
Do you have any idea just how many people would be perfectly fine just sitting at home watching tv all day?
I assume it would be a lot, and perhaps too much at that. Therefore, the economy would collapse eventually.
I mean, I know I would NEVER leave my apartment regardless of how small and shitty it is. I would just spend the rest of my life reading books and napping all day. And this is coming from someone who presently works 18+ hours a day, and I don't do it because I like it, I do it because it's the only way I can pay my mortgage for a house I rarely get to see anyway.
Hell, I'll take a version of that little apartment in that movie The 5th Element that Bruce Willis lives in instead of having to work myself to death everyday--any day.
Successful people don't spend billions of dollars on such pie in the sky beliefs. You've no idea how to run a society. Sit down, nigger.
Luis Gomez
Exactly.
There are many things I don't know, but one thing I'll bet the fucking farm on is that BLI will never happen, and if it does it'll fail horribly. And I do mean war/famine/genocide levels of failure.
It's just human nature. I do wish we could live in a society where we could all get along and everybody gets what they want or at least what they need, however, never forget that under natural law we (humans) should not exist.
Fuck man, we're lucky to have the bullshit we have now, as it is.
>someone who presently works 18+ hours a day, and I don't do it because I like it, I do it because it's the only way I can pay my mortgage for a house I rarely get to see anyway.
What if you collapse before the mortgage is paid? Or fall asleep while driving to work? Have you considered that at all? This is fucking stupid, you are just making (((bankers))) rich, like a good goy. Can you just move somewhere where real estate/rent is cheap and work at a comfy job/freelance? Why people are so obsessed about living in large cities...
I've read an article about a guy like you who worked his ass off until he crashed his car and got disabled. His house is repo'd by the (((bank))), his business went under, his savings are gone. While some kike is rubbing his hands and counting the shekels. Fuck this.
Jackson Price
That's a nice sentiment in a racially homogeneous society. Get rid of the non-Whites and we can discuss it afterwards.
Andrew Anderson
Do you have any idea how much such an idea would cost? Will you just tack this on to the free health care, schooling, welfare, ect that we already give indigents? You would have to tax working people to death to do this. And you are wrong- most people would sit on their asses and do jack shit if their basic needs were met, especially if they knew their reward for working hard was being taxed to death. This is called communism. It sounds like a nice idea, but to actually implement it would turn society into a Venezuelan tier shithole.
Nicholas Harris
returnofkings.com/36915/what-humans-can-learn-from-the-mice-utopia-experiment This applies to humans too. If there is no biological motivation to work to survive, people will become anti-social, violent and sexually inactive. The welfare state in Britain led to an anti-social and violent chav culture and neets (not in employment or training) who sit around in their bedrooms 24/7. These people will never reproduce. It also led to ugly housing estates popping up everywhere and the overall degradation of culture. The goal shouldn't be universal basic income or any other form of handouts granted by the surplus production of automaton, but higher wages and fewer hours worked in a highly technical economy which is only possible with a highly intelligent people. This is not possible with third world immigration and a welfare state.
Brayden Lopez
Okay guyims. If (IF) the current financial system is a pyramidal ponzi scheme... Is that inherently and inescapably bad? If so, considering, what then is the opposite of a p̶i̶z̶z̶a̶ (silly autocorrect) ponzi* scheme?
>I believe that enough people are good and industrious enough that if we just literally gave people an apartment and a food budgets worth of food, and healthcare. Just no questions asked gave that to everyone. Yes the sponges. Yes the drug addicts. Yes everyone.
healthcare costs can skyrocket. doctors will be playing a game of competetive fraud selling unnecessary and iatrogenic crap as much as they can.
>more people will be enabled, will improve their communities and seek a better world.
people improve their communities to demonstrate value, rise in status and get laid.
>The people who crave amenities will still crave them and work hard to get them. The truly driven but economically disadvantaged will rise. And all of the leeches will play with their drugs and toys in their apartment while the driven get the work done.
the fact is, you want ubi because you can't stand that some people are insufficient. they're sacrosanct to you so you can't let them suffer or die. if you let people earn 'amenities', those amenities will soon be claimed as 'rights' as to not have them is 'suffering' and having them is 'violence'. you can't just move parasitism to the side. you either kill it or find a way to outrun it. sterilization is an option here, but again, if you believe they have a 'right to life' you'll believe they have a right to anything.
>Less people will turn to crime and such when the need to do so to survive is not as present.
there was a factor analysis on shootings in the us that showed a .9 correlation for inequality, poverty in proximity. able people will still be hated and the violence continues unabated.
>I don't find 100% sheer economic throughput to be a valuable or attainable goal. How do we create a sustainable society with an ever growing philosophy?
smaller soverign groups that can exclude effectively and enforce the need to contribute in any way they like, preferably to concrete and attainable ends
Lincoln Morales
Get your communist shit off my board cock suck. Stop trying to enslave my people with free shit. You will just destroy the human spirit and create nothing but sloths.
Liam Lewis
"Lucky"
As if billions of people all throughout history didn't toil endlessly to get us to this point. As if it all just fell from the heavens one day.
Elijah Lee
You're an American and should know he meant "fortunate".
Colton Garcia
>don't have a reason for dismissing me out of hand. I lived among the niggers for four years while paying my own way through college. I guarantee every white-bread liberal faggot that believes that "everyone will just get a job if we pay people enough that they never need to work" has never lived in a community with more than two token middle-class black families that also didn't want to live around niggers.
People work because they have to, not because they want to.
Luis Hall
>Be Jew >Own apartments >Goyim work and pay taxes >Goyims taxes pay for your renters >Let apartment turn into slum without it getting shutdown because Gov. is desperate for houses >Jack up prices, no one leaves because of housing shortage Great plan
William Ward
Ok, who is going to pay for it though?
Christian Watson
In the near future. A universal income will be an absolute necessity to maintain a civil society. The population is growing, and the number of jobs that require human workers is shrinking. This is happening as we speak, and is only going to accelerate. Universal income isn’t really about being a bleeding heart. Its a pragmatic, proactive step towards maintaining order. Letting the incompetent and lazy stay out of the job market will benefit everyone. Let those of us that want to live better lives work. I guarantee you the majority of people are in the wants to work category. The ones that don’t we’re better off not having to put up with on a daily basis.
Camden Russell
If you’re looking for leeches robbing the treasury, you need to look at the other end of the income spectrum, because there’s WAY more of that coming from the top than from the bottom.
Ethan Lewis
You people are amusingly disconnected from reality.
Aiden Collins
we already do. how the hell do you think niggers are still alive. and what good is a bunch of niggers
Jeremiah Stewart
>In the near future. A universal income will be an absolute necessity to maintain a civil society. I remember marx saying the same thing about automation. We're still waiting and mortgages are still going up. You can fuck right off with your "pragmatic steps" to help the poor out-of-working class. I guarantee you the majority of people does not believe you have either objectivity or their best interests at heart.
Mason Collins
trudeau raised minimum wage to $15, everybody got rich, lost 50,000 full time jobs
Wyatt Green
A good idea but it will never work if your country is not homogenous. Having mass immigration of 2nd-3rd world people would destroy your country and turn it to ashes. A lot of people migrating are economic migrants who do not care for their host nation.
>everyone has the same buying power except certain (((people))) that get the few non-automated jobs >as a result, everyone's apartment is shit, they can't afford to own their own house/yard, they buy soy-filled corn-based food and get fat (because this is the only way to be sure your populace commits less crime), and they go to IBM Watson for their medical checkups, rarely even seeing a human nurse, let alone a doctor What a great idea. Faggot.
Carter Barnes
We already have large communities of people receiving government assistance in these areas. Why are we not seeing the results you imagine?
Landon Anderson
Anybody can break the market and point to winners, but what they promised beforehand did not happen and the butcher's bill will fall on the lower classes like always, unseen. They need GDP black magic to even make sense of 'purchasing power' and other nonsense involved in minimum wage calculations.
Jaxon Garcia
Ubi will happen, when it is sustainable. Give it 75 years
Isaiah Collins
You are very naive. Have you ever lived in a big leftist city? These people will take whatever you give them and turn it into pure destruction.
Bentley Campbell
Basic income eliminates the welfare trap. Of course the niggers will probably still not go to work, but in a more homogenous society many unemployed people probably would. It's kinda weird though that UBI is being pushed in the U.S. as much as it is, when it would probably end up being just a spectacular failure.
John Jenkins
This.
Welfare in places like California is already almost UBI, and look what has happened.
Noah Harris
Bro... we have empirical evidence of what happens to people when you give them free stuff to keep them alive... the welfare state in America in the 60s and it resulted in a permanent underclass of degenerates who just get fat and keep producing fatherless children... redistributing resources to people does not result in people being as productive as they would if they were solely responsible for their lives. Picture very much related...
Who the fuck is going t pay for it when all the white people say "fuck it"?
Landon Brooks
That's when the massive global population cull comes around and the Jews ascend to g-dhood via their singularity.
Nicholas Jackson
If you want to make people more productive, you need to do more than just keep them alive. Income redistribution is primarily just a way to decrease poverty-related crime. The war on drugs makes it less effective though.
Bentley Martinez
You’d be wrong there is no evidence that increased assistance actually helps anyone succeed
I know plenty of people that do just the minimum to get by and are okay in the same substandard living conditions year after year.
No drive to improve or change, all of those people would become wards of the state if they didn’t literally have to work to survive
The only way I’d even consider ubi is if all, and I mean ALL, other forms of social welfare and bennifit were eliminated
Of course that won’t happen
Jordan Wright
>a trend that’s never occurred will occure because communism inevitable
Efficency and automation has NEVER led to less employment, ever in the history of the world
Juan Cook
UBI will never be sustainable in a fully automated future unless the populations of the world, especially the insanely huge masses in Asia and Africa, are lowered dramatically.
Adam Garcia
That’s how you get more sponges. More sponges than good people will surface. At least mot without some organized (enforced) religion.
Angel Sanchez
Nigger if I didn’t have to worry about those three things I would fuck off all day every day and so would every one else and you fucking know it
James Diaz
I don’t see a problem with this. I don’t believe the majority of jobs benefit society in any direct way. They benefit corporations and make shareholders wealthy, but society not so much.
A majority of people don’t enjoy or give a fuck about their job anyway. Many of those jobs are going to get automated away anyway since the kikes want to squeeze every possible dollar of (((profit))) out.
William Lopez
That's why you're not in charge of running a corporation or an economy or a city or probably even a household.
Aiden Hughes
Yes yes Guyim. All you need is free health care, housing, and food. Then you can watch porn and play video games all day. Pay no attention to the collapse of western civilization, we have that all under control guyim.
Yet America still has a ton of crime. Just imagine what it will be like if these people are cut off government teet... when Germany s 1800s welfare state collapsed, they brought in hitler and tried to take over Europe... welfare state increases low class population>system collapses>low class population gets slaughtered in war>elites profit.
Carson Green
>Welfare on steroids by another name Will never be allowed to work. Too many are invested in the current systems and those who want a UBI need greater control over society for it to out gib the welfare system.
People whose basic needs are taken care of without working for it are people who will not go out in the field and work for a living. >but that's the point, they are freed up to do whatever work they want But that's the point, they don't have to, so they're not going to. If the Lareto distribution is worth a damn, only 20% of the entire population will go and get a job. 80% will sit at home, act a bitch and vote for bigger gouvernment.
I fucking know this by heart. Autismbux kept me shut in for 6 years now. Don't implement any form of UBI ever, it's Communism Mk.II.
Henry Bailey
If we do Universal Basic Income
>’Ey yo he a good we need mo’ money for dem programs.’
Oliver Reed
Look at how many old people gladly stop doing anything “retiring” as soon as public assistance and their retirement plans kick in.
These people would never work if they could, I would always work simply because not working is agonizing to me, the idea of retirement just sounds like resignation to death
Jackson White
The drug ban makes it so that no reasonable amount of money can effectively be enough to satiate the "needs" of a drug addict. Remove that and organized crime loses its funding and an addict can ruin his own life with medical grade shit without harassing other people pretty much at all. A real welfare state is still about more than that. Making world war 2 about a fucking welfare state is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this board though.
David Parker
Actually minus blacks and America has Europe levels of crime
As long as you don’t live in black heavy cities crime is very low.
I even live in Phoenix which is half beaner and because we have no blacks we aren’t even in the top 20 crime cities despite being the 5th largest city
It’s literally all because of blacks
Andrew Rogers
You do know that we use salary to motivate workers instead of violence, right? This is worse than comunism, at least they tried yo replace It with ideological ideas and a "misión" (like the religous fags) but of course it did not work because coffee is just too damn good. But this? What are you offering? Faith on our fellow man to do the right thing? Gees, I wonder why we have fucking laws for
Lincoln Young
You’re right I don’t run a corporation. Or else I’d probably make 270x the average worker and pay no taxes like Amazon.
Colton White
If you give leeches free stuff they will breed out of control and collapse the system.
Jack Hill
wew lad talk to some small business owners sometime. Everybody hates the cheating megacorps, but they are not at all representative of the little guy who decides to be the wagemaster rather than the wageslave.
Jeremiah Thompson
This would only work in a dictatorship with controlled breeding. You can't let the useless eaters vote for more bread. And you can't let them have children without paying for the privilege.
Connor Hernandez
That's why so many successful old people don't retire. I know a CEO of three businesses who's still running the show AND committing himself to local politics despite being 71. They understand this fully.
Aaron Jackson
Tell that to long distance truck drivers, who will be out of jobs in the next ten years. There’s already a glut of junior lawyers partly because a computer algorithm can do their job, (which mostly involves searching vast reams of case histories for applicable precedents),faster, cheaper, and better than they can. This isnt the future. Its happening now.
Ian Smith
The difference is that machines once replaced human labor, but they now replace human intelligence. At some point, even the best of us will fail to compensate.
Sebastian Ross
What about the buggy drivers, what about the stable boys
Industries come and go but there is always work to do
Jackson Anderson
There are ways to mitigate that. A cap on benefits after one or two children. Free access to birth control, etc... People on UBI also should not be eligible to vote.
Zachary Powell
Almost everyone would die.
Jason Mitchell
You are an absolute fucking lefty faggot. just last year the self driving truck has flew off the rails because his dumbass sensors ricochetted off of the aluminum surface of another truck cover. And to prove that you are some degen socialist, you have no idea how much work during loading and unloading the driver does at his various destination. So unless that fucking AI of yours get out of the cabin and go sort shit out, pack it up and piss off.
I swear to god - one mention of automation = one bullet for faggot.
Congrats OP rent now cost standard + universal basic income. Now tell me some other genius idea that will totally work like value of labor theory.
Adam Cook
>You're wrong and have no basis for believing that.
And you're wrong for having no basis for disbelieving that.
why should you be right? you just put a claim based on a premise i believe that x is y without proving x is y it is on the same level as if is say that it isnt like that and just leave it like that we are both equally right(better said wrong) you gave no proof that people are like that and the burden of proof is on you
Luis Harris
You believe that and you believe in people because you yourself are white and industrious and you grew up in an all white community of like minded people. Look outside the artificial walls that protect you, however, and you'd see the real state of the world. Millions in poverty because they're too lazy to work. Billions living in third world conditions because they never bothered to make a society. The default state of man is subsistence; civilization is a gift that must be worked for and protected. You can't give it away.
Parker White
You're wrong because the people you give rhese free homes to will fuck them.up and sell what scrap they can pull out of it for crack money retard
Jordan Perry
>You might not be wrong and don't have a reason for dismissing me out of hand. When you don't provide any evidence for your assertions whatsoever, yes I do.
Dylan Reed
If you give me a free house, money and food I'm quitting my job immediately
Wyatt Carter
Because the reason people murder and rape is not because they don't have food/shelter. They do it because they are evil.
Income redistribition only gets worse in areas that rely on guns my dude.
Cooper King
Haven't there been small experiments on groups of people in which the group became more entrepreneurial and started taking risks once basic needs were met? I can't remember the name of the study. In addition to all of this it amazes me that people still think Capitalism is going to exist without the need for UBI in the future, when AI starts automating everything we are going to need UBI.
Eli Flores
This, you would end up creating a situation where enough people would stop working to cause infrastructure to collapse or the government would have to force people to do shit like they want. That's were the propaganda comes from. Stop being a shill or naive 20 year old.
Gabriel Brooks
How are you going to pay for UBC?
Angel Murphy
>I want free money to purchase imported goods made by slaves
Let's figure out why they are so intent on this bit of socialism.
Lincoln Russell
Is this a quote? If not, I like it. Well said
Jace White
the problem is that reddit eats up everything those people shit out, from media platforms to ecelebs to retarded politics.
Jace Stewart
>I believe that enough people are good and industrious enough that if we just literally gave people an apartment and a food budgets worth of food, and healthcare. Just no questions asked gave that to everyone. Yes the sponges. Yes the drug addicts. Yes everyone. So basically its like university without the real world that comes after uni? Sounds like hell.
Austin Clark
Who wants to work hard to support a nation of virtual niggers?
Cooper Reed
Very nice illustration. Smaller wings for a net to catch you.
I would personally have bigger wings. Family and community are enough of a net as is. Just endorse those things if someone's heart bleeds so much. People without family or community deserve their fate.
There should be mechanisms where people are encouraged to take financial risks. People nowadays are too hesitant to become entrepreneurs because the risk isn't worth it most of the time, just like in Communism. Universal basic income for people who tried and failed would be a pleasant welcome. Soldiers who failed also get the purple heart, no?
Nicholas Jones
UBI will become necessary as the jobs become automated.
Kevin Gonzalez
What do you even mean?
Nathan Bailey
Look, lets settle this once and for all ok?
MY FUCKING MONEY IS NOT GOING TO FUND LAZY PIECES OF BROWN SHIT.
I would rather burn it. There will be no debate, there is nothing to debate. You have no right and can very well fuckoff you commie unwashed piece of shit. Work and live, or fucking dont work and die.
Ryan Hughes
>Universal Basic Income Yes Like the Jews in Israel the White Christian American must secure the existence of his people and a future for his children via National Socialism
