Why is communism bad? give me solid information against it...

why is communism bad? give me solid information against it. some fags in my country formed a faggy group and they are licking mao's balls like its their salvation claiming they will fight to death for their cause

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well, thanks very much niggers

>why is communism bad? give me solid information against it.

You hear about any of the shit that's going on in Venezuela? That was Communism. The millions of people that starved during Mao's Great Leap Forward? Communism. Likewise the millions of Ukrainians who starved under Stalin in the 30's? Collectivization of farms and confiscation of food = Communism.

You realize you can just read about this shit on Wikipedia right? It's not like evidence of Communism constantly fucking up countries where it's tried is hard to fine. Do you live under a rock, Paco?

starvation

Starving in a gulag.

Communism has killed more people than facism, and former countries like Yugoslavia make pieces of shit like the Yugo while they were making damn good cars in Western germany because capitalism encourages competition and improvement in the market.

Starvationmind.

There's also the far reaching effects of Neo-Marxism. After people noticed that Communism wasn't really a viable option, they adopted post modernism instead. Post modernism is just Marxism in a fancy new package. It's just now instead of the working class being oppressed by the bourgeoisie, it's white people and men oppressing literally the entire planet. This is detrimental to the progress of nations and societies, because any person or institution that is successful is assumed to have achieved that success via exploitation of some collective of victims. Without fail, Marxist ideologies necessitate the destruction of what makes societies successful and the redistribution of whatever is left to the bottom rungs of society who will either waste or misuse their new windfall until there's nothing left and they starve.

Watch out anons, criticizing or mocking communism can get you banned.

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Let's say Communism is good.

I list a number of ways that the government can help society. So do others. The good ideas sift to the top and society gets better.

We're not even going into the ways the government has no interest in running things well, or the various ethical dilemmas involved.

Then the government proposes some new regulations, I'm not enthusiastic, but they don't seem particularly harmful, and since the government passed them without my input, as long as they were innocuous, I guess it doesn't matter. After all, they are looking out for me and everyone else.

Then years later they propose some new laws, I feel sick thinking about regulating speech and public actions, quotas and a federal maximum wage, a standard living quota, or whatever else is being proposed, but I have no recourse to lobby against it. The government is doing what is best for everyone but I don't feel like it's doing the right things, in fact I think it's doing the wrong thing.

Too bad, nothing I can do, might as well go along with it.

This is why even the soft communism of increasing federal control is bad.

It's not that it doesn't work, it's that it's counter-productive. It removes all incentives to become a contributor to society.

Communism, by definition, has never existed on a large scale. There has never actually been a large society that is classless, stateless, and moneyless.

Socialism, however, has been tried and so far it's mostly failed in the 20th century because collectivization is a meme and Leninism (dictatorship of the working class) while effective is highly detrimental. Lots of people associate authoritarianism and famines with socialism, which is true, but these are not the inherent traits of socialism. Corrupt political power and severe mismanagement are the causes of these catastrophic results.

However, you have to look at the other side of the story too. The Soviet Union and China went from being piss-poor countries to being extremely powerful in a very short amount of time. I'm not saying the Soviet Union or China were perfect in their implementations, but you can't deny the vast transformation these countries underwent.

In today's world, most left-leaning people prefer social democracy/democratic socialism which advocates things like universal healthcare, free education, protecting workers, environmental regulation, etc. These are all great things to improve the lives of everyone as a whole.

There is nothing stopping any person or group from organizing as a collective (ex. farmers collective) or an employee owned company (Publix is largest but there are many) within our current system which tells you that the entire (((Communist))) scam isn't about worker ownership at all but rather something completely different.

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>Corrupt political power and severe mismanagement are the causes of these catastrophic results.

Are political corruption and severe mismanagement inherent traits of socialism?

> I'm not saying the Soviet Union or China were perfect in their implementations, but you can't deny the vast transformation these countries underwent.


But wasn't the goal of those societies the liberation of the working class and a utopia for everyone and not the vast accumulation of political/military power?

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Its an economic system that is, in its entirety, all about punishing the productive and rewarding the unproductive. Do the math. It's no wonder why wherever Communism goes, starvation follows.

And that's without talking about the cultural implications of communism such as abolition of the family unit, promiscuity, destruction of the church and therefore morality etc...

When I was a kid, my dad would sometimes tell us of things that happened while he was in Vietnam. He spoke highly of an officer named Đại úy Phan. I grew up thinking of him as a hero, a ferocious warrior, defiant in the face of death. I always wondered what happened to him.
About 18 years ago I happened to meet a man who was from that province and I asked him if he knew of Captain Phan. He immediately said that he did. Captain Phan was my dad's counterpart and had command over about 300,000 soldiers. Still I was not certain and I asked if he was sure. His eyes lit up with excitement and he said "Oh, yes. He see VC, He shoot VC."
I then knew, we were talking about the same man. So I asked what happened to him.
He said 'they shoot Đại úy Phan. They shoot my my father. They shoot my brother. They shoot my uncle. They shoot everyone who owns a pair of glasses. They shoot everyone who had dental work. They shoot everyone who owned a wristwatch.'

> Venezuela
The majority of the economy is private businesses competing on a market, the workers don't own the means of production, and there is a state. That's literally the complete opposite of Communism. Same with the rest of the places you said.

Yugo started making cars after Tito died.

Except the reason all those places are staving is because of Marxist farm collectivization and economic planning policies. Fuck off with your contrarian memeflag bullshit.

>USSR
starves
>People's Republic of China
starves
>Laos
starves
>Cambodia
starves
>Cuba
starves
>DPRK
starves

I'm seeing a trend with Communist/Socialist countries

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>it wasn't real communism you frumpdkin

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Communism is a world without hierarchy, classless and stateless.
It is impossible to impose a society like that on humans, who look for natural order. We are not robots.

>Marxist farm collectivization
Farm collectivization in the USSR meant give the farm to peasants to run but it's still going to be state owned.

"Give the farm to peasants while the state controls it and for the rest of your economy do the exact opposite of what I say to do. - Karl Marx"

>economic planning policies
Which and before you post remember Marx said state ownership was anti-socialist.

This is the inherent problem with communism, is it has to have no state.
Say a farmer grows 300 cattle on his ranch, and he decides to keep them all for his family, and he decides to give 100 of them to his neighbor in exchange for another good/service his neighbor could provide. The only way you can ensure that these goods and services are used communally, and not exchanged through consensual transactions, is through the use of a government.

How else can you prohibit consensual transactions between people without the use of a state law enforcement body?

>my dad would sometimes tell us of things that happened while he was in Vietnam
my dad never talked about Vietnam
or to me in general

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>is through the use of a government.
Good thing Marx says no state and not no government.