Objective issues with Christianism and the decay of the White race

I've seen a lot of Christian apologetics on this board and just wanted to share some thoughts.

Times are hard, very hard, and at threshold of a new millenary we must rethink our way to consider the world and solve its issues. What does Christianity propose?
— To treat all races equally before God. If racial egalitarianism doesn't exist on Earth, why would it be a thing in the afterlife?
— To encourage to care about the weak, the disabled, the lame, the blinded, the morons and the humble-minded.
>“How happy are the humble-minded, for the kingdom of Heaven is theirs! “How happy are those who know what sorrow means for they will be given courage and comfort! “Happy are those who claim nothing, for the whole earth will belong to them! (Matthew 5:5)
All of these teachings contribute to make Whites frail and fragile compared to their ennemies.
— To reject eugenics and everything that could make our race better again and surely even better than it has ever been. Even if it's completely sane and natural. On the contrary, being against abortion even for shitskins and constantly pushing to save handicapped babies such as those with Down's syndrome.
— To constantly push to help or welcome non-Whites Christian as soon as they naturally start to behave like the subhumans they are.

How do you think we can deal with these inadequacies at the point we've reached? How do Christians expect to save the White race — or do they really want to save it? In my opinion, even if the people need faith and transcendence, I don't think that it is an appropriate answer considering the times we're living and we're going to go through.

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Blah blah blah this goddamn fedora perspective again.

the problem is that Christianity today is cucked

it needs to get back to an older style where it's basically "white man' religion" that is exported, rather than the "global rainbow religion of peace for all races"

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>brings up great arguments against neo-judaism
>muh fedora

The absolute state of spiritual semites

Look dude this whole hippie liberal jesus nonsense was just as retarded in 2007 as it is now. These aren't arguments but neither the english teacher nor you have read the bible or any of your ancestor's thoughts on them.

To spit on Christianity is not my goal at all; I've been raised in Catholicism myself, studied a lot of history, seen all the good things it contributed to bring or establish in Europe when it wasn't universally spread yet. But times have changed, nowadays the world is organized very differently, and it is a question of life and death. I don't think Christianity will save us, mostly for the points that I've shortly developed. If you think otherwise, feel free otherwise, tell me why I'm wrong. These conclusions I've made are empirical, and do not involve a promotion of atheism in any way. I am simply a White suprematist who does not believe that shitskins could have access to the same paradise as ours, this seems to me completely unthinkable.

You don't know a thing about Christianity except what the degenerate Catholics told you then. The problem with these threads is that you say: this is Christianity isn't it awful? And all I want to say is "no that's not what Christianity is just an extremely recent version." The problem with discussing anything of this sort aside from all the christcuck jewonastick memers is that you mix the modern crop of Christians in with Christianity, especially as it was practiced in the past. Nobody before 1960 believed the liberal nonsense we believe now, so to make sense of that you have to say they were wrong about Christianity and stuff, and they have been wrong for 1900 years until the liberals came with their hippie jesus.

You'll never bring back Middle Age times in the industrialized and globalized era in which degeneracy is spread all around the globe. I don't think that feudal Christianity will reborn. All of my observations are fully accurate in modern times, and it is only getting worse. Nevertheless, we must consider to find a better way to sort our shit out. I perfectly know that Christians were not always like that, I've read plenty of great Christian authors, I admire Leon Degrelle, and many others. But the issue isn't as recent as you pretend it is. It has started two centuries ago already, when the Christian masses started to tolerate the harmful influence of the Jewry, which lead to our current situation.

But you keep saying it's Christianity that is doing these things, when you now specify that you're actually talking about modern CHristians. Which ones? The catholics, protestants, orthodox? How come there are lesbian protestant churches with rock bands? Look I realize that Christianity is an institution where the degeneracy is obvious, but you have to remember that it's even worse everywhere outside that faith. Atheists are the easiest to woo with capitalism and communism and other democratic stuff, since no matter how they speak of their individuality and rational morality, they're obviously open for suggestion. It's just bizarre to me to think that the problem is in Christians when the extreme leftists are exclusively atheist, and I can only conclude that comes from people like you being atheist as well. The problem you should be worrying about is not how to convert Christians into pagan nietzscheans but what is going on with leftists.

>trying to say anything negative about Christianity on this board
All you are going to get is a bunch of what basically equates to people plugging their ears and saying "lalalalalalala I can't hear you"

I didn't say they were the immediate issue, I just want to find a way to make White people great again. Anyone has its own remedy. To me, something which does not openly promote the superiority of our race isn't viable and should be rejected. Both catholics and protestants have their own flaws, which are different, but contribute to pull us down. Orthodox have this particular and positive aspect that the ethnic part is still quite prevalent.
People without morals are indeed the worsts, because they can tolerate everything in the name of freedom or individual rights, but what I want here is a curative answer. Do you believe that Christianity can be it? Even if the liberal bullshit hasn't been promoted for very long compared to the centuries of history that preceded, do you think Christians can emancipate from the cancer that is eroding them? And what do you think of the fact, which is not contemporary, that non-Whites have a soul and must be saved just like us? Or that all races are equals before God? All of these statements, which had not much impact when the average guy naturally knew his place compared to the ape, are devastating nowadays.

>something which does not openly promote the superiority of our race isn't viable and should be rejected
But that's the thing. Are we talking about "what Christianity proposes" or about what the various christians are busy with? Christianity was the spine and faith of every single one of our ancestors for at least a thousand years, and I have never met any pagan able to convince me that it was all just a detriment to the holy roman empire, or a silly opium of the people. All those hard sons of bitches whose books we read, all of which were extremely 'right-wing' by today's standards, were Christian. Now either all of these people failed to miss the obvious, what you consider "objective issues", or maybe we're dealing with a very modern, alien, mutated form of Christianity forced to play nice with liberal democracy. Remember that all of the major historic events that followed the reformation into the enlightenment and eventually secular democracy were a war against Christianity for the sake of 'liberation'.

>do you think Christians can emancipate from the cancer that is eroding them?
Considering that they are on the whole less eroded than atheists and non-Christians, I would give them a better chance than the rest yeah. Thing is that you still believe that the liberal cancer IS christianity, like

>all races are equals before God
This is some interpretative judo which is as far from "objective" as anything I can think of. Certainly there are many things in scripture about loving your neighbor and being nice to foreigners, but scripture has been used for many political plans, and those conflicts led to war. So to now say that what jesus really meant was for there to be no more countries and free immigration, that's just silly to me. Btw I'm not a Christian myself if it matters.

This is why Hitler secretly admired Islam and its ideology of conquest, and wished Muslims had successfully conquered Europe. According to Speer:
"Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."

It was, but it was beneficial under feudality, when Europe was focused on itself, and did not want to conquer, save and elevate all of the races in the world by an evangelization. Many of great authors and writers were indeed Christians, but in the industrial era, when Christianity was already corroded and declining, some already pointed out the fact that it is also a problem in itself, and associated, while differentiating them of course, the Jewish question with the Christian question, which engendered the first one by its passivity. When brave men wanted to find efficient solutions for their threatened countries, they had to face the opposition of the Church, which sterilized. Of all time, the Church has always been a force of opposition to the elite, and many of European rulers, even if they were indeed Christians, had to take distance or to make arrangements in order to achieve what they planned to establish.
The decline of Europe started with the decline of Christianity, but in the last century, answers that were not theocratically compatible, if not openly opposed with this cult, were found and applied. We need to do the same now, and as Christianity seems completely dead, as too many non-Whites pretend to be as legitimate as White Christians, I fairly think it is more of a threat than a potential salvation.

>Considering that they are on the whole less eroded than atheists and non-Christians, I would give them a better chance than the rest yeah. Thing is that you still believe that the liberal cancer IS christianity, like
Well all around Europe and America, with some exceptions, the local churches are literally pushing for the destruction of the country. Recent examples I have in mind: Poland, Chile, France, Malta, but it happens pretty much everywhere. For Catholics, just look at what their joke of a pope promotes. A literal traitor which should have been killed already, yet he's worshipped by everyone except by a bunch of marginals.

>This is some interpretative judo which is as far from "objective" as anything I can think of. Certainly there are many things in scripture about loving your neighbor and being nice to foreigners, but scripture has been used for many political plans, and those conflicts led to war. So to now say that what jesus really meant was for there to be no more countries and free immigration, that's just silly to me. Btw I'm not a Christian myself if it matters.
This is not some subjective interpretations, but an the other hand an objective fact that Christians sincerely think if they convert niggers their soul, if they have one, can be saved. I know that some scriptures have been purposely misinterpreted but my point is not related to them. The tower of Babel in itself destroys the myth of multiculturalism. Oh and for my part, I'm not a pagan.

>local churches are literally pushing for the destruction of the country.
So is every single public school! I really feel like you're missing the forest for the trees here, and take the great masses of non- or semi-religious liberals for granted. What are you going to do about them? You say Christianity is a dead tradition and the solution is to make a new one. How is that going to be any easier, both with the apathetic zombie masses and the degenerated Christians?
>The decline of Europe started with the decline of Christianity
You seem to realize yourself that you have to balance a few perspective simultaneously for this to make sense. There was a strong Christian europe that grew weak, and this is the fault of Christianity's weaknesses, but at the same time you have this fact of the fall of the west being almost the same as the fall of Christianity, with every major event being a Christian fracture or war. I understand that you might not see salvation in trying to return to the 'old ways' but I think you might be overstating how much of a cancer and responsible Christianity itself is. Seems to me it's better to view the liberalism as the foreign agent, not a feature of weakness and 'slave morality' and all that stuff which has been thrown at Christianity. Most accusations against Christians are worse for non-Christians, so again the strong atheist right-wingers have their work cut out for them wrt atheists.

>This is not some subjective interpretations
It's quite a leap from "niggers have a soul" to "let's invite the 3rd world into our countries and give them suffrage and human rights" my friend. I don't really know how to talk about this since it seems to ridiculous to me. It's liberal propaganda to make jesus into an egalitarian hippie that wants everyone to live in harmony in one big commune.

Is it right Kodaira orders back tech. servises from youthes? you rat.

As I said, I never stated that Christians were the only cause, the only issue, of our deep moral and anthropological decline. Of course not. But they became part of the enemy forces, and thus they should be treated as such. My thread was addressed to those who still think Christianity can be an answer despite all of its lacks and treasons.
I don't have to do mental gymnastics to talk about different periods of times. Revolutionary and anticlerical events occurred more than a century before fascism and national-socialism were implemented to solve various issues. In the meantime, Christians had become much weaker and allowed their own countries to sink. A stronger force was needed. You can not, you can never return to the old ways, history doesn't repeat itself. I think we've reached a point where we need to find a new model. Or, perhaps, to make a neo-Christian doctrine, openly racist and national-socialist for instance, like some tried to do in the 20th.
My point was only that niggers are considered and treated equally as us. To promote immigration is another thing, and is, indeed, very modern. It goes openly against traditional Christian teachings. Even though it is a deformation, it is nowadays omnipresent and, trust me, these fucking priest rats and other clergy members openly want to DESTROY our race and culture, openly prefer non-Whites Christians to Whites non-Christians, if not mudslimes or nigs. Polish Church said: "human safety is more important than the national interest". This liberal poison is destructive, and if they manage to find ways to make these interpretations compatible with their religious texts, like the NS Christians did before, it is because this cancer is inherently imbricated inside their beliefs.
To make it clear once and for all: I don't blame only Christians, I don't want to enter in a theology discussion, I just note and observe all the damage that it does to Whites, how it prevents them from embracing racism.

I understand, but I don't agree with some of the observations and interpretations you're making here. Perhaps the thread is not for me.

Blacks are the seed of Cain. Just read through Genesis 4 and you'll notice that everything he does is nigger-tier.

>4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
>5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Jealous of whitey for doing better then him.

>8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Classical chimp out against the whitey keepin him down.

>9 And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
Literally the first dindu in history.

>10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
>11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
>12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
Nigs can't into agriculture and Subsaharan Africa became a wasteland.

>14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
>15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
The mark of Cain is black skin.


About the parts of the Bible which refer to welcome foreigners: It is talking about being respectful towards visitors (similar to how Japanese culture differentiates between visitors and immigrants).
Also, the Bible supports nationalism. It tells us to preach to gospel to all the NATIONS, not to race mix and let other nations overrun you.

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Answer this mothefucker, we couldn't final the study because the anger.

I think I get your point and I understand it, I know many of racists sedevacantists as well as neo-pagans and being in the middle of these two extremes makes me want to find a definitive solution which could unite us rather than permanently being divided in our own microcosm.

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I have no doubts of Christian's anti-jewry teachings, but thanks, I saved it. It is more the racial aspect that concerned me here, and also the willing to focus on what is weak, poor and ill-adapted.

>About the parts of the Bible which refer to welcome foreigners: It is talking about being respectful towards visitors (similar to how Japanese culture differentiates between visitors and immigrants).
>Also, the Bible supports nationalism. It tells us to preach to gospel to all the NATIONS, not to race mix and let other nations overrun you.
Sure, I do not disagree with that. If God made various races, it is not to mix them all. But all of this has been torn apart and betrayed, and in fact completely inverted. I don't believe we can go back in time to recreate this purest moral order, I think something more innovative and even more transcendent will be needed. Although racist Christians have my full support and appreciation.