Free Will

Why are religious people obsessed with free will? Logically it doesn't even follow that we should be capable to manipulate the future in this way.

Consider the following: "the future", which the concept of free will implies that we can in fact manipulate, is comprised of two elements a) the past and b) the laws of physics/nature acting upon a). We can neither control what has already happened, i.e. the past, nor can we bend the laws of physics, they are permanently fixed.

And don't bring up some quantum-mechanic bullshit, let's use rationality; if X never happened, Y wouldn't occur, and if Y didn't occur, you wouldn't have become a faggot. Ergo, you being a faggot is ultimately caused by X, which you had no control over in the first place.

Also:
>universe is created
>only rocks, galaxies, suns, etc.
>for literally billions of years you can calculate any future movement in the universe
>suddenly humans
>suddenly you can't calculate anything related to the future cuz of muh free will

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Free will isnt really a study of motions and calculating them. Free will generally refers to humans ability to choose between sin and virtue. While many factors may influence our decision, it is still our own to choose.

>Why are religious people obsessed with free will?
Because thats how reailty works, just like it says it does in tradtional catholic teaching.

>Logically it doesn't even follow that we should be capable to manipulate the future in this way.
Thats right you cant manipulate because of tradtional catholic teachings of freewill.

quantum-mechanic bullshit, let's use rationality:
kek

>if X never happened, Y wouldn't occur, and if Y didn't occur,
then nothing occured ergo im not a faggot

>Ergo, you being a faggot is ultimately caused by X,
so i was always a faggot your saying lulz

>which you had no control over in the first place.
i have control and i choose with my freewill not to be a faggot.

>universe is created only rocks, galaxies, suns, ect.
and Angels, men ect

>for literally billions of years you can calculate any future movement in the universe
an assumtion, that doesnt make logical sense, where did the bang come from, how does something come from nothing, and how do mutations just happen for no logical reason to form everything.. againg that spaggeti, and iilogical

>suddenly humans
created by an omnipotend intellegent being

>suddenly you can't calculate anything related to the future cuz of muh free will
Yes, you control your future with your god given freewill, heaven or hell.

You make good choices according to god's will, what he wants, examples, chartiy, work, praying, forgivening, becoming a tradtional catholic, going to mass, going to confession, staying in the state of grace then yes, your chance of participating in the beatific vision are high.

Do you own will, do what you want, ehhh, its 50/50 a risk, you not only hurt yourself, but others with your evil ungodly choices, evil comes from mans freewill to sin.

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Free will is a subjective feeling.

I think people have seen free will as a savior from being made into freedom deprived serfs.

it was not billions of years

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Its not a feeling its a reailty..

Right now you have the freewill to listen to me or not, You have the freewill to ignore me or not, you could do an act of charity and listen to me, which would be good becasue its charity is gods will, or you could do what you want, and ignore me if thats what you want

hey there, how olds the earth, is it 10,000 or 6,000?

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Anons winning over the most prominent philosophers of the past. Goddamit I love singularity!

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who me?

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The thing that I doubt is that your choices are unimpeded