Can Atheists Be Moral and Virtuous People?

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No.

See: Stalin, Marx, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.

Never.

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yes but they don't fear God so their morality is based of societal expectations and social consequences. It's fine when there only a few atheists in a Christian country, but once the Christians stop being in charge everything starts to degenerate. (abortion, homosexuality, cucking, feminism, etc_+

i am an atheist but i do see the benefits of religion it gives people a purpose

There is not true morality without Jesus Christ.

Yes. Why do people need a ancient texts to know not to be an asshole? If anything, there's clearly a moral problem with religious people.

Sort of.. but they're fundamentally not acknowledging something every culture has identified.

If the Tao has its Trinirty of yin and yang, and then "the way" itself thst yin and yang comprise.

they can insofar as they operate within the framework of their religions.
i.e. an atheist in a profoundly christian society will have no choice but to be moral to fit in. Mass atheism, however, leads to sweden.

>Trinity
>Lists two dueling forces

Wut?

You’ve been making these threads all week fuck off

If you open yourself up to love, you will find spirituality. It comes with the package

Yes. They still have a natural connection to God no matter how much they want to pretend their conscience isn't a connection to the Divine.

Only psychos with no conscience and therefore no connection to the Lord are utterly incapable of being moral.

Most atheists are selfish unrepentant sinners tho. As opposed to Christians who are selfish often repentant sinners.

>atheism = communism
fuck off troll
Abrahamism is a sandpeople religion for child abusers. Pic related.

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Yes

>yes but they don't fear God so their morality is based of societal expectations and social consequences
Plenty of atheists' morality is based on suffering and capacity for suffering. We're called Buddhists and rationalists.

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The Yin and Yang represent the duality of nature. Good and evil, male and female, above and below

Existencial nihilism isn't for everybody. They either get depressed or become hedonists

Please try to wrap your little brain around the concept of morality not being based in fear. Fear-based morality is for dickless authoritarian cucks and dogmatists.

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Yes, though they can't rationally believe in objective virtue. Something few of them understand.

Yes. Human decency. Do you really need God to tell you it's wrong to steal, lie, cheat, hurt or kill others etc? If the only thing detering you from doing those things is fear of punishment and not your conscience - you aren't a good person.

Atheists can be moral. Religion teaches morality but it is not exclusively the sole provider of this knowledge and wisdom. Proud atheists are the most stupid fucks around though. They actively admit that they think it matters that god is real or not. Its so embarrassing. They parade around thinking they've solved the mystery or they know some secret knowledge that they must teach everyone. It never mattered.

Religion is a multipurpose tool; it offers coping mechanisms, bubblegum, knowledge, comfort through giving simple answers to the unanswerable/hard to understand and sometimes purpose for those who suffer from depression. To be against this is to admit you don't understand that therapy and other tools can't be used by everyone through the sheer logistics of it. Religion is a cheap offering of help. There is nothing wrong with that. Although some religions are more violent tools than others.

Having imaginary friends, speaking to yourself, playing games with your own subpersonas etc. are all marks of genius

They can certainly be retards

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atheist countries
china, they dont care about anything, not the enviroment, not other people, they arent moral or virtuous
russia, they have killed million of people as atheist, now they are Christian orthodox

if you think you are moral living on a Christian society you need to fuck off of there and go to your atheist country

atheist cant be moral

>Confronted with the truth.
>Turns into a hurt little cunt.
The average atheist.

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>their morality is based of societal expectations and social consequences.
which means they can rape and murder children if they think they can get away with it. Atheists are like cancer cells in a body, the more the multiply, the closer to death that society becomes.

>Please try to wrap your little brain around the concept of morality not being based in fear
No one is looking for advice on how to be more like Canada leaf.

>Do you really need God to tell you it's wrong to steal, lie, cheat, hurt or kill others etc?
yes. We've already seen that atheism leads to moral relativism. Look at china, an atheist society that has developed an amorality that's unrecognizable to us. They appear to have no empathy for other people whatsoever.

>look at China
I'm looking. They are Chinese. Have to take that into account as well.

partially what *below* said
atheisim is a tool of communism. there were atheisists before communism. abrahamism isnt christianity though, nor is it all theistims. Leaf is a retard

They can be but they aren't usually

This also I'm an atheist but I'd sooner live in a country that was 100% Christians and raise my kids Christian than I would go to a country that was 100% atheist.

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yes, once they realize Christians are their closest allies, and their moral values align with Christianity, and that the Bible is basically "Aesop: Heavy."

Is childishness the most universal atheist trait?

Makes sense user.

I would say Athiests are the ONLY moral and virtuous people. Its not really morality if the only reason you dont kick homeless people in the teeth is because you are afraid of eternal hell fire. All Christians are acting in self interest any time they do something nice. Gotta get that pearly gate pass.

As a Christian who has swallowed a heavy dose of reality, I resent that.

Some can be, yes.

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>They actively admit that they think it matters that god is real or not.
If beliebers weren't constantly preaching, proselytizing and killing to please their imaginary, bloodthirsty gods, theists would never have any need to respond to the nonsense.

so why dont you go to some atheist country? why do you leech a Christian society?
atheist live in peace under Christianity and later they insult religion, they are retarded

I believe there is the universal rules of man, man must believe in.
We exist to survive to the end.
We exist to reproduce.
We exist to evolve.
We exist to refine and purify our species.

Also we exist to explore and fill any niche.

Yes, the bulk of Sup Forums is agnostic/atheist and decent people IRL

>he admits that he thinks that the only way to get people to act moral is with an all-powerful cosmic dictator
If you think this is true, why not just have an actual dictator to enforce morality?

no its impossible, the same brain defects that prevent them from believing in God prevent them from being moral/virtuous people. it's outside their reach tbqh

I'm an atheist. I believe in traditional family values, the 2nd amendment, conservatism, personal responsibility etc.

I hate hippie bullshit, gay marriage, radical leftists, SJWs, socialism, communists, etc.

I don't commit crimes, I pay my taxes, support my family, and work hard.

Obviously, I'm a terrible person.

>leech
I pay my taxes.

>live in peace under Christianity
Christianity is not why i live in peace. The largest and most advanced military in the world is why i live in peace.

Yes but it's not ideal, because it basically means they have to subscribe to ideologies with religious underpinnings without believing in the religion.

>I would say Athiests are the ONLY moral and virtuous people
This is true and here's why:
Men make morals. Then evil men fabricated gods to enforce their morals. They preyed upon the fears and ignorance of the weak-minded to keep primitive men enslaved in submission.

Religions have tortured, maimed and put millions to death for refusing to believe in their irrational nonsense. 50,000 women put to death for being witches in Europe. I might be going out on a limb here, but I suggest not a single one of those murder victims was actually a witch.

Religions have been used for millennia to control people. All the kingdoms, some of which still exist today, are based on the notion that the king is god's vicar on Earth, the divine ruler, the man other men cannot question without fear of invoking god's wrath.


Morality comes from humanity and science is a guide. Our ethics, deontology and teleology are based on the knowledge we have about our world. Science doesn't instruct us, it gives use the information we need to make good rational decisions. Rational people don't kill others without a sufficient reason. We are rational, moral beings who sometimes commit immoral acts.
Religion forces you to love some fictional entity who you fear, who can presumably smote you where we stand for disobedience. You are forced to follow blindly the commands of these gods, which somehow always . Religion is a systemic exploitation crafted by the wealthy and powerful to produce lifelong slaves of formerly moral human beings

Religion tricks you into believing you can't be moral without religion. It cons you into imagining that some reward after death is superior to this one precious life you have on Earth.

Anyone can see how these immoral religious systems have been far more harmful than helpful.

I've only come across people who announce their atheism online, and none of them were good people

you pay taxes cause you have work, try to live under stalin, mao or all those atheist dictators that have tried to push an atheist country
you military doesnt matter, you lost to vietnamise farmers, you are losing to arabs that believe in God
usa, if they dont go back to God, is going to disapear, know it dude

No, atheists are either assholes(miserable shits) or faggots.

Some are both.

why do you need military when usa is eating itself alive? communist and atheist are killing it
unless you want your military to kill those people, it going to get destroyed from the inside

it happened with hippies in vietnam, it's happening now
it's not coincidence tho it was planned

>brain defects that prevent them from believing in God
The opposite is true. Irrational beliefs lead to measurable mental deficiency.

About 100,000 years ago our hominid family evolved. Our skull cavities expanded and our brains grew larger. Our minds became more rational, capable of reasoning. Our brains still have the ability to "suspend disbelief" to engage in brief flights of fantasy. We needed our imaginations to able to plan ahead. We needed to be able to speculate on the movements of herds, etc. Irrational thinking has some utility for very short periods and our brains are well suited for it. However, we are not meant to suspend our disbelief for long periods of time. Living in delusions and daydreams would be the fastest path to paleolithic death.

So it wasn't until societies became self-sustaining that religion could even take hold. The irrational beliefs associated with religion for extended periods, for example, have a profound and deleterious effect on your brain's chemistry. Holding mutually-exclusive concepts like reality and superstitious nonsense without scrutiny or question creates a harmful cognitive dissonance. The long term effect damages your ability to think rationally, perpetuating a vicious cycle, fed by your own confirmation bias.

why do you want to try something that has been tried and failed with million of deaths? history is to learn, not to forget and try it for yourself
why do you people dont learn?
living under an atheist society is dead

Good post, though I'd argue religion were more or less always a thing, made of myths, rites and various shamanic/medecine-man beliefs that worked as a way to tie together people and give them a sense of cohesion, along with an explanation for describing nature and life difficulties

>you pay taxes cause you have work
I pay taxes because I understand that to live in a society with the amenities of modern life, such as law enforcement and paved roads, citizens must contribute to the funding of such amenities. I make a good amount of money, because i worked hard to get a job that would allow me to enjoy the finer luxuries in life. As a result i pay more taxes than the average taxpayer. While i may not agree with every tax dollar spent I understand that someone needs to make the decisions as to what to spend our taxes on, and that someone has to take into account the needs of everyone, not just me.

>try to live under stalin, mao or all those atheist dictators that have tried to push an atheist country
Thats awefully religious of you to think i should exile myself because i dont believe in the same imaginary friend. As an Atheist i do not feel the need to push my beliefs on others. I feel that it doesnt matter what you believe in, we can all get along in one place, and reap the rewards that we ALL work towards.

>you military doesnt matter, you lost to vietnamise farmers
Asymmetrical warefare is very effective, but it does not constitute a “win”. We gave up on Viet Nam because it was not worth it. Its different than losing, but either way. We do have the most powerful military on the planet, and that is the biggest reason why my house hasnt blown up in the 25 years ive lived here.

Care to continue proving my point or are we done here?

>it happened with hippies in vietnam
I was totally unaware that the US died and imploded before i was born. Where exactly am I living right now? Where the fuck did all these Stars and Stripes come from?

No objective morality, completely flexible according to their environment and the inextricable march of entropy.

>See: Stalin, Marx, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
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>Thats awefully religious of you to think
that's what good teaches, say thanks you dont get stoned
>I feel that it doesnt matter what you believe in
it's the most important dude, atheist are a void, look at sweden and nords countries, all depressed

look at how are you doing right now, the 60's allowed what's happening now, it was the beggining, not the end, we are mid way still
im just saying it to help you, nothing else
you right now without God are losing your eternal salvation + if you are surviving is thanks to your believers countrymen, that are fighting to live and be in peace with God

>that's what good teaches
what God teaches

Literally give me one reason gays should be allowed to live/ carry on their sinful ways.

Considering you likely define morality and virtue within the confines of your god... probably not.

I miss the days when christcucks were the enemy. Allying with you peabrained myopic shitheads has been by far the worst part of the past decade.
Oh well, assuming western civilization survives, we will resume hostilities at a later time.

>say thanks you dont get stoned
Or how about we just dont stone people because an old book told us to? That is barbaric AF.

>look at sweden and nords countries, all depressed
[citation needed]
Im a man of science. Give me some evidence and i may change my mind. You wont though, because there isnt any.

>look at how are you doing right now
You read too much Sup Forums or watch too much news. Im doing quite well, as is my entire state. The media likes to blow up nothing stories, but make no mistake, life in the US is pretty much the same as always. Jobs, prosperity, and land a plenty.

>Communists are atheist so all atheists are communists
Just because a ideology practices atheism doesnt mean all atheists are part of said ideology

Yes. Anyone in this thread that says otherwise is ignorant.

>That is barbaric AF.
is it barbaric or is it trying to help you not to end up like you? or communist countries?

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>You read too much Sup Forums or watch too much news.
you know it's not true, people are fighting to impose a murderous way of thinking, maybe you aren't fighting it, but you are going to suffer it if they implement it

the problem is that atheist cling to something to survive, they have to believe in something
why do you think atheist are so pro buddism? they have to believe, and if you have some dictator stronger that some other ideology you follow that dictator

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

if they want to survive they do it, if not they get nihilistic commit sucides or live under anti depresents

look it up i didnt came up with it

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>is it barbaric or is it trying to help you not to end up like you?
No, it’s definitely barbaric. You should count yourself lucky if you end up like us. Life is good here.

yes because the roots of western civilization are deeply entrenched thanks to Judeo-Christian values. Laws, morals, etc which are seen as acceptable are such because of Christianity. They can tip their fedoras all they want but deep down they follow the laws of Judeo-Christian civilization.

>why do you want to try something that has been tried and failed with million of deaths?
Are you high? You're not making any sense right now.

if they are so happy why do they take so many anti depressants?
>Life is good here
your culture is pretty much fucked, maybe you have food but till when
you have atheist barbarians stoning people pushing a ideology that starves people
and you have Christians stoning people pushing a ideology that feeds people

atheists are barbaric

Religious people can't be moral, if the intimidation from the fear of god makes you do virtuous things then it means nothing. You're just a chained animal who's behavior is restricted.

Now you are just strawmanning. My work is done here.

I’m atheist and nothing you’ve said holds true for me. Instead of reading someone else’s biased research, you should go meet some atheists. Admittedly some will be dicks, but I’ve met a number of Christian dicks too, so it’s more about the person, less of their belief.

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>The extreme minority represent the majority
nice1

>western civilization are deeply entrenched thanks to Judeo-Christian values.
Western Civilization started with the Greeks, and their gods are Zeus, Ares, Apollo, etc.

> Laws, morals, etc which are seen as acceptable are such because of Christianity.
No, much of our law came from the Romans who didn't even begin the Christian thing until 300 AD. Their gods are Jupiter, Mars and Quirinus before Constantine did a god mod update. The Greeks and Romans already had values and laws long before the religious corruption that became our values and laws.

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it's the way it is, you fear God or you burn, there is not much choice
and your behavior need to be restricted

if you dont follow Christ you are a dick by default, you believe it or not
>but i pay muh taxes
whatever

>beliefs that worked as a way to tie together people and give them a sense of cohesion,
When we were preliterate primitives, maybe it was helpful. Now the Abrahamic religions are still ass-raping children and beheading families to please their gods. We have to improve upon it.

There is no morality without a higher source. You only have opinions. I guess in that case the person with the most power becomes a god.

>atheism
>buddhism
pick one

come on dude no Christian is doing that
is like saying atheist are pro gay and believe in the 69 genders
you are more barbaric

>if you dont follow Christ you are a dick by default, you believe it or not
Well, you confirmed what I suspected; you’re one of those Christian dicks.

>This article doesn't fit my narrative
It was only a google click away to see other articles reporting the same thing but you atheists aren't about the truth, are you?

>You better feel ashamed of your history just like slavery and imperialism.
>Accept these (((controlled))) studies in science and allow compromise so you could be subverted into a shell of what you use to be you backwards religious idiot.
>Worship men instead!
Spoken like a true leftist, needing to destroy the cohesion that was brought to western culture and substitute it with these quick and feel good fallacies masked behind science, logic, and rational, that will never last long term. Sweden and the UK are examples of countries that believed these fallacies and turned into hell on earth. You don't want to improve, you want to destroy.

well you are an atheist dick

I could straw man too.

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I'm an atheist but I see there are great benefits of Christianity. It also helps normies obey the law.

Morals are a survival mechanism. They naturally occur anyway. That's how we came up with religion in the first place, you dummies.

In that sense God does exist through our very nature.

Now you’re repeating yourself. Low IQ I suspect.

dude you are an atheist, can get lower than that

cant get lower than that hoho

>can get lower than that
Yeah, could be religious.
:^)

>can get lower than that
Correct. You can get lower. Look in a mirror.

yes, because all "atheists" are raised in a society whose values, beliefs, and behaviors come from a legacy continued, carried by a collection of mythological stories that attempt to use linguistic storytelling to describe the already subconsciously acted out behaviors of all of members of that given society; religion is just the conscious acknowledgement of all of those subconsciously acknowledged behaviors and values.