Is it an unpopular opinion to say that Jojo was only good at parts 1 and 2...

Is it an unpopular opinion to say that Jojo was only good at parts 1 and 2? Could not care for the character designs after part 2 or the whole Stand nonsense.

>evolution of Sup Forumsnon

Don't know how popular/unpopular the opinion is, but I also prefer 1 and 2 over the monster-of-the-week format of 3 onwards.

Personally I found that I didn't enjoy p1 and 2 that much compared to 3 and onwards. I will have to agree that part one is undeniable 'better' just didn't enjoy it as much as when stands and other dumb bullshit was introduced.

Was it ever like this before the anime? Did these opinions only pop up after the anime? What is it about the anime that causes this?

>What is it about the anime that causes this?
Anime cut the bloat, and left the great parts. Jonathan's and Joseph's stories are great.

I am someone who came into the anime fresh (never read before etc) - I loved parts 1 and 2 seriously they were great and I'd recommend it to anybody. Then I started part 3 and bounced off it so hard that I stopped watching after 4-5 episodes.
I hated the main character, the pacing got slower and the villain of the week stuff got worse. I don't dislike the idea of stands but the stands they all have at that point in the series were not very interesting to me.

I skipped the anime and read the manga and while I didn't like Jotaro at first I didn't straight up drop it.

Anime made everyone realize how shitty the pacing is in part 3. You can speedblitz through the manga but you can't do the same in the anime.

No? I just generally like the setting and sense of adventure that the first 2 parts have. Sure the characters are typical romantic tropes but Jotaro is pretty generic as well. I also found Dio annoying in the 3rd part as well as the stupid fambase.

OVA was OK though.

Read the manga or skip to part 4. It's still the same author so surely you'll enjoy them.

I don't understand how someone who dislikes Part 3, will enjoy 4. If anything, Part 4 is even guilty of the "monster of the week" format and pacing wise, nothing of real note happens until the last third of the story.

You all are pathetic

He said he disliked the stands, and part 4 is already more creative with them. Part 4 has also slower pacing and longer introduction to the possible threats so it's not as bad as part 3's aggressive villains.

PArt 2 is the best part

>pants in the head retarded plot: the part
no thanks

I enjoyed every series by now, more or less. 1 and 2 were a lot less imaginative but... Yes, i've ben missing that plain shonen feel since pt 5 and I never really came to terms with the change of universe.

Idk apout popularity, but first two parts are fucking garbage

>year of our lord DIO 2017
>people still think Made in Heaven caused the death of everyone on the planet
i hate speedreaders

underrated

The villains get worse after 2. Even Dio turns to shit.

To not like it only for the character designs is pretty weak. I can understand the story or animeonly excuse of Stands but not character design alone.

Yes because Kars surely was great villain...

I totally agree. Personally, I think Joseph was the main pull. He actually felt like a main character, where the story was focused on HIM and HIS bizarre adventure, to the point that it actually hurt the side characters by making a lot of them feel useless (Caesar, Messina, Smokey, Speedwagon, and Lisa Lisa, to some extent).

He's just so much FUN; he gets a shitload of comedic moments, but when he fights, it shows off his power as a combat mastermind/asspuller. I can't think of another character even remotely similar to him, even after all these years.

Part 1's a shameless FotNS ripoff stylistically. The latter parts develop a more unique style and benefit from it.

Part 1's character designs were all roided out, poorly proportioned Liefield-esque monsters, and 2 only somewhat reeled that in.

The character designs in part 4 hit that good stride of not TOO over-the-top but still reasonably balanced designs, and was also a pretty fun use of the Stand concept. 5 got confusing and went too overboard on character designs for my liking, but was still better than part 1. 6 had women, and good ones at that, so I'm fond of it by default.

>6 had women, and good ones at that, so I'm fond of it by default.
Wait until you get to Part 8.

Part 8 girls are sexy but they aren't as good characters as Jolyne, Hermes and FF.

Part 2, 6 and 7 are really fun and can keep you reading with not effort.

How so?

I really liked the balance of the three combined. It lasted a criminally short time.

Part 8's girls struggle to be as interesting as the male characters

I despised part 3 but loved part 4. Even though part 4 was guilty of monster of the week shit they at least felt like they were progressing to a goal. While in part 3 you could probably skip 40 episodes and know exactly what happened. Also Josuke>Jotaro

>While in part 3 you could probably skip 40 episodes and know exactly what happened.
And then part 5 is like this but worse. It's like Araki didn't learn anything

>muh plot
Seriously, plotfags don't know anything about storytelling do they?

But part 5 felt more like 4 where it was progressing towards a goal.

I too have wondered this. I really do think the anime made Parts 1 and 2 way more appealing than they originally were in the manga and to some, more appealing than the Part 3 and 4 anime. A lot of it has to do with the pacing which can be attributed to the endless monster-of-the-week format.
I wonder if this would still be the case no matter what David did with the Part 3 and 4 anime. What do you guys think would need to be changed to make 3 and 4 better if anything? Also, should David change anything from Part 5 if and when they adapt that?

>jojo was only good when it was unoriginal shounen shit that lazily ripped off FotNS

it's a common pleb opinion

They should take a risk and cut out all the useless nonsense. Hell part 7 would improve the most if shitters like Sandman didn't exist.

This. Joseph was too good of a protagonist and aging and nerfing him for the other parts was a big mistake. I haven't read Part 5 and onwards but the next two Jojo's aren't even in the same league as him.

Jolyne is Joseph but better.

My opinion on the matter is that Parts 1 and 2 are my least favorite in the manga but the anime somehow made it more interesting. I really don't know what it is. Perhaps it is the pacing, however I don't know if I'd exactly be happy if things were to be left out to make up for that. Maybe if less interesting shit didn't take up so much time ie the Sun in Part 3 didn't need to take up an entire episode.

This is actually a pretty productive thread so far. I'm impressed.

Wrong example tho, in the Sandman fight Johnny learnt the 3rd lesson of the spin. Unless you mean the beginning with his retconned sand powers.

Part 2 is the best anime part, but It's really hard for me to choose between part 5 and 7 as far as the manga goes.
I know part 5 is pretty universally considered the worst, but I really like it.

I feel the same way, but I as far as the manga goes it's either 4 or 7. I'm enjoying the shit out of Part 8, but I can't officially compare it to the others until it's done.

>I know part 5 is pretty universally considered the worst, but I really like it.
I can understand that. I used to not like it as much as I do, but I look back at it more fondly now than before and like it more as time goes on. Like it's an acquired taste.

Because Josuke is a lot more entertaining than Jotaro and the shenanigans he gets into are fun

Is that really the case for part 5? I don't think so.

there's maybe one or two fights you could skip in part five, but for the most part something important happens/is learned in almost every fight

Part 3 in the anime kills interest for a ton of people. The anime for 1-2 feels like it was made for both old and new fans whereas 3 feels like it was made purely for old fans and drawn the fuck out to shill more BDs at Japanese nostalgiafags who remember reading SC in WSJ back in the early 90s. 3 is still too long for it's own good in the manga but it actually works a lot better there than the anime.

8 > 7 = 6 > 5 = 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 (Manga)

2 > 4 > 1 > 3 (Anime)

>Even though part 4 was guilty of monster of the week shit they at least felt like they were progressing to a goal
lolwut

Part 3 establishes everything early on - they need to go to egypt to stop dio within 50 days, dio is going to send his goons at them the whole time, etc

While in Part 4 it's stand user of the week except totally random. RHCP shows up and is kind of interesting, but he appears and is dealt with in just a couple of episodes. Then until Kira shows up, it's just stand user of the week again, except this time Araki's self insert Rohan actually gets time to shine after his defeat while the rest totally fade into the background.

my nigga

Part 2 was terrible, so no

Have you ever read Part 7

It's got the best of both worlds (parts 1-2 and parts 3-6)

>Part 7
>bad
Yes, it's not only an unpopular opinion but a wrong one.

He was a simple, but good villain.

Kars wasn't even the best villain in his own part.

Why do you think he's a bad villain?

He had virtually no personality for most of the part and when he finally showed some it was totally different from what he showed before for not reason at all and he was defeated by top 10 animes asspulls. Also his power were just two shitty chainsaws.

>also his powers were just two shitty chainsaws
And they were a reference to Baoh.

What happened with the other thread

part 3 and 5 are great

the main faults for the rest of the series has been akiri giving the villains ridiculously OP stands that the jojo of the series can only beat through even greater bullshit

are you trying to say king crimson is not op?

Shit thread

Like every other Jojo thread, then.

This thread is twice as shit.

Are you hoping for 3d opening for part 5?

god I wish there never would have been a jojo anime

Before these three posts, this thread has just been people discussing their opinions regarding the series. It's fun. kys

Just people being unable to accept that having different tastes is perfectly acceptable, like every other time.

I hope so. I mean, DIU openings are great and the BtD version of Great Days is glorious, but nothing will ever beat the CGI openings.

Exactly this, I recently read through part 3 and it took me maybe 4 days. whereas it's about 46 ~23 minute episodes of the anime.

I hope so even more if they do 3d of the minor characters.
>It will be someones job to craft Carne's glorious jowls in 3d
Yeah, I agree. Although I wasn't too much of a fan of CNBT. Chase had some nice visuals too.

You mean animeonlies giving their shit opinions before reading the manga, which is the logical thing to do if you're going to call the rest of the series shit.

Animeonlies opinions are so fun to read.
I'm usually a good guy and don't spoil the plot, but Jesus... I remember back during the DiU anime some guy saying "Dude, that Hazamada guy looks like is going to be the main villain of this part" and I didn't know what to respond.

While I disagree, I can see where you're coming from, and in a modern context Part 3 is pretty hard to read. While I like a lot of the characters in part 3, plotwise it kind of blows fat chunks, especially compared to the rest of the series.

why are you mad about people with shit taste having shit taste.
They don't have any notable attention span, all they want is to have their opinions reaffirmed and will talk negatively about anyone trying to prove them wrong.
All this reached a moot point from the get-go

> thick ass by default
> can make her body even thicker if necessary

Perfect.

So part 3 manga has different translations for colored and BW. Which one is better?

4 is the best

steel ball tun is fantastic fag
jojolion is great too

None of them.
Piss scans are the best.

Koichi's voice. It's too damn Japanese.

Generally the colored scans have the most up-to-date translations, although if you're comparing colored to piss, you should find the actual redone BW scans instead of that old crap.

And while I like the jojonium releases, avoid the rips, the quality is awful for them for no reason other than viz sucks at digital distribution and you get a bit of a less authentic experience thanks to name changing.

I feel like people get so hung up on the villain of the week nonsense. I can understand that for other series, especially sentai shows. It makes sense to be annoyed by that kind of stuff because it's extremely formulaic. The bad guy appears, they beat up the good guy, they turn into a giant robot, bad guy explodes.

Jojo might appear to follow a similar format, excluding the giant robot part. But Araki's willingness to write out intelligent fights supersedes that and makes the monster of the week stuff actually interesting, I think. And sometimes the consequences are dire. Take part three:
Abdul fake dies, then dies for real. Kakyoin loses his eyes for a good part of the show and then dies. Iggy loses a leg. The fights feel like they have a real weight to them because the villains are normally as intelligent as the main characters, and there are relatively few asspulls in the entire series.
I think a really good example of this is the White Album fight in part 5, where Araki takes a relatively simple power and rigorously examines the shortcomings and strengths of it, to a point of ridiculousness.
>wears a suit that can freeze stuff instantly
>has to account for a place to breathe in the suit, creating a weak point
>can slow down attacks around him, character who can control angle of bullets can't just shoot him in the back of the head
>can even freeze the air around the airhole, but has to periodically defrost so he doesn't suffocate
>and so on
Jojo does follow the basic outline of a monster of the week show, but the fights aren't always just people throwing punches and asspulls. There's a lot more to it than that.

I'm reading on Bato.to. The translations are about the same, but the colored version has a bit of typos

Hey, I'm not saying there aren't shit opinions ITT. However, I found this thread to be quite enlightening. The problem arises when people compare an anime part to a manga part(s) without clearly specifying. When someone comes out claiming Parts 1 or 2 to be the best, I personally assume they're an anime-only because David cut all the fat from Parts 1 and 2 which made them faster and more enjoyable for those that only watch the anime, but I think you have to be crazy to think, taking only the manga into consideration, that they're anything, but inferior. Araki hadn't really started developing a good unique style of his own til 3 and the pacing of 3 is much better when you read it as compared to watching.

With that said, could you imagine how bad it must feel to actually prefer Part 1 and/or 2 before the anime even came out and suddenly get lumped in with anime-only fags? That would suck.

Yeah, I agree, but you have to admit a lot of part 3 was varying in quality, as I feel Araki hadn't found quite the right voice he wanted for stands and battles in the manga going forward. By part 5 his style had been more or less cemented and he was much more comfortable with his own perception of what stands are and how they work.

Honestly one of the reasons I think Part 5 is so popular is because it's just a better version of part 3.

Would actually be a good idea to point the typos out, record them, whatever, and send them to the scan team. They're pretty good about fixing and going over their work, which is no surprise considering they're dudes essentially rescanlating a 100+ volume series.

This, unironically. JJCA is fucking shit.

Sometimes I wonder what happened to Araki in Part 6. Everything was going right, and then Stone Ocean's fights started making no sense at all.

With that said, the final fight vs Pucci is still my favourite thing in all of Jojo.

OP, you are objectively wrong.

Did anyone see how far along the mosaic was before that thread 404d?

Honestly, it's because they always say the same shit, that the first two parts are the best and they stopped watching when part 3 turned out to be "monster of the week" and Jotaro is shit, and the answer to that is always the same, "read the manga, it's better there", and it's becoming quite annoying.

They want JoJo's Bizarre Destination. They should read part 5 and realise that it's not just the result that matters

Personally, I feel a lot of the inadequacies of Part 6 stem from Araki's dissatisfaction with his own serialization arrangements at the time. He wanted to lean into topics with a bit more freedom, as well as spend more time constructing his plots and worlds, but in the format of a weekly shonen magazine with editors breathing down your neck that becomes a lot harder to do. We also have direct evidence of executive meddling in the form of some plot elements, including Anasui's original gender. In the end it feels very much like a story where serialization fucked the pacing up, and it reads kind of all over the place. Nevertheless it has some of my favorite concepts and ideas in the entire series, which is I think why I'm so fond of it (It's my favorite part).

In terms of the fights making little sense, Araki clearly wanted to be more creative with his encounters, which you see manifest in SBR and jojolion, for that matter, with all the fucking bizarre stands and situations that come up. Balancing these fucking weird shits with the kind of manga that runs in WSJ, however, probably proved a bit too difficult. Can you imagine something like Tubular Bells in a 20-page weekly chapter format? Because I have difficulty imagining that would work.

Only 3 claimed panels left.

Only two, actually.
One of the remaining three was posted last night on another Jojo thread.

And speaking of that, I have to open the new thread, give me a few minutes.

Yes it's unpopular. I can see why animefags would dislike stands and the characters after part 3. Part 4 and beyond is where stand concepts get good and while people might disagree with the style, the characters get a lot better

Also, the two claimed panels are unclaimed now, due to reasons I'm going to explain on the thread.

It's the polar opposite of the popular thing to say, so yeah. Also you're an idiot for not realizing hamon is just as stupid as stands.

Okay, forget the "few minutes" thing, thread has been already opened, see you there.
Let's finish this chapter, my boys.

Awww yeah!

Here's the link