Why is there no serious American fascist movements...

Why is there no serious American fascist movements? It's all fat weirdos and mystery meat "identitarians" with no real goals or means of achieving them.

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TV/social media has mind melded the masses

Our future leader has probably already been compromised and had his brain washed.

checked, but dont assume there needs to be a leader. it is about use of the internet and creating content
nobody worth half a fuck would stick his neck out just to get demolished forever when there is no need and no benefit in doing so
real movements do not need some asshole at a podium, not anymore, anyway

Americans as a people are too young to have an established identity
We could have but jews etc etc etc racemixing blah blah no firm cultural development. The only thing we stand behind together is the flag, which is obviously never enough

Civil war fucked up the timeline. Id also like to see a Manifest Destiny revival. Conquest for canada and Mexico; we've yet to cover the continent

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That's the thing my friend, we do need a leader. You and I might be highly individualistic and almost instinctively opposed to leaders, but the the vast horde of unwashed masses need and want a leader. This is human nature.

Also on the original point, you see lower class whites willing to stick their necks out because they have nothing to lose, and generally are in close proximity to minorities. They aren't really worried about looking good to their yuppie neighbors or impressing their Facebook friends. We shouldn't shun them for lashing out and not having the best optics, but guide them in the right direction.

Remember that the SA, and the SS had a place in the reich. We should not be alienating our SA just to virtue signal that we aren't low class like them.

>Why is there no serious American fascist movements
Because of a group called COINTELPRO.

The US government suppressed ethnic identity during WWI to prevent German-Americans from supporting Germany, and instead replaced it with consumerism. It's only gotten worse since then

Also, fascism is inherently gay.

>Americans as a people are too young to have an established identity

So are Mexicans, Brazilians, Argies, Chileans. Colombians, Peruvians etc. and yet they have a very clear national identity. ONLY White Americans and White Canadians were targeted by leftist kike institutions and media into thinking they have "no real identity" or outright be ashamed of what they have.

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European nationalism isn't even acceptable, why would European nationalist fascism be?

Fascism is for leftist faggots.
>inb4 soyboy tells me its not on the left.

>no real goals or means of achieving them
A result of jew gas lighting to keep the right divided.

College educated whites went Trump... something the media and shills try to bury.

"Muh suburban retards" is a shill myth. Urban areas went Hillary ONLY due to their black and hispanic populations. The college educated vote Hillary won was ONLY from blacks and hispanics. See pic related.

Hillary also only got 37% of the overall white vote.

37%

We are basically at a point now where it's white people vs everyone else (immigrants, blacks, radicals etc.)

Just look at the demographics vs counties won.

It's time for any of that 37% out there to wake the fuck up as to what is really going on.

Time is short.

DEPORT ***ALL*** ILLEGALS

HAVE WHITE FAMILIES

BUILD THE DAMN WALL

It CAN easily be reversed if we do those 3 things.

FIGHT

WAKE UP WHITES THAT ARE PAWNS IN THEIR OWN DEMISE

We are nearing the tipping point demographically if we keep letting the left spur on this anti-white marxist invasion unchecked.

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Honestly I don't even care about all the politics. It's just the double think that fucking pisses me off.
>we need a quota of people of a specific color and gender, fuck performance
>this is the opposite of racism and sexism
Can't even do it man. I don't know how people can shut their logic off to do it.

>nobody is making a serious pro-white effort in the united states
O.P. should kill himself for being a priss.

Not really. Even a commie like Che Guevara in his writings mourned that Latin America lacked a concrete identity.

It's cause the ideology is for idiots. Every once in a while you get a smart guy but this shit is really just for people to vent. I mean who really thinks that nationalism is best for humanity? Shit some of the people here admit they just want to see the world burn

>that helmet
Jesus Christ what a LARPer. What does clinging to the imagery of a historical government hated by almost everyone outside of Sup Forums accomplish?

>kekistani flag
Capitalism is trash anyway. Go suck the cock of international finance more, you dumb nigger.
There are a number of reasons for this. Obviously there's post-war demonization propaganda, COINTELPRO & Feds, morons like TWP and like, so I'll ignore that.

I'd argue that the first problem is that we really don't have either demographic in America that Fascists usually court. Too many people forget that Fascism is an ideology for the Young. The Romanian Iron Guard came from University Students. One half of the co-Anthem of Fascist Italy was "Giovinezza" (Youth). The Squadristi and Futurists were fairly young as well. The NSDAP had a song "Es Zittern Die Morschen Knochen," which framed NatSoc as being an ideology for the young who were going to make the old Germans, and eventually the world, "hear them." Can you imagine Millennials promoting Fascism en masse? (inb4 muh Gen Z, they're not nearly as Conservative as you guys think). Beyond having a large hold on the Youth, typically Fascism at least courts Conservatives. The problem is, Conservatives in America have no reason to flirt with Fascists. Not because they're winning, they're actually losing handily, but because they're not actually afraid of the Left. It took Communists annexing factories for Italian police to start siding with the Black Shirts. It took Communist violence in German streets for the German Conservatives to take a softer view of the NSDAP. The Republicans have lost pretty much every meaningful battle, but they still view the Left as "noble opposition" and "the other half that makes this country so 'great.'" Until they understand that Leftists aren't Americans and are an active threat to the historic American nation, they'll always see crypto-Fascists as an enemy, a subversive, and someone to be denounces and disavowed.

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It's not bad enough yet, user.
Soon though. Our time is coming soon.

I think you answered your own question. Fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin. Most people with a brain learned that from observing 20th century history.

because people are generally incompetent
half the time i buy something online it gets here all fucked up
if americans can't manage to get a box from point A to point B how the fuck can they manage an ethnostate

How is peaceful nationalism, like what the Japanese have for instance, inherently bad?

Id say just hide your power level and join American Blackshirts Party (ABP)

They are way too focuses on trying not to be racist, but they are pretty knowledgeable otherwise.

Humans are in general dude.
Give them a system and they will find a way to chimp and homo out.
Except the Japs, they are the only society that shouldn't be nuked.

>Give them a system and they will find a way to chimp and homo out.
Let's go back to old western bounty society desu

There is we are just smarted and thus better hidden

I think it is because our true red blooded Americans don't really want that shit. They just want USA to be USA and to keep all these faggots from ruining it all.

You just want to go reactionary on the leftists. I understand. But we're Americans bro. 1776

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There was profound American national identity through the entire 19th century and important bits of it survived varying distances into the 20th. Surprise surprise it started breaking when the focus began to shift to tiny People’s Histories of X, Y, Z, X-As, Y-Cs, etc...and then corporate McCulture came in to fill the void.
America was the testing ground for this shit.

Without a major happening (like WW3), fascism won't happen here. And there probably won't be a WW3.

>There was profound American national identity through the entire 19th century
Definitely wasn't fascist, though.

Beyond the ineligibility of "natural" Fascist demographics, there's also the fact that Americans are allergic to big government, even when it's necessary.

Look at the kvetching over some of Trump's statements. Trump's not the only one to run into this issue either, heavy criticism has followed FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, etc. (The only bad one on that list is FDR mind you). Once you start advocating for things like Führerprinzip or Totalitarianism (as coined by Mussolini, not the pejorative), Americans are going to wall up. Will this last? I don't know, I think it's open to change, considering we're headed towards a very bleak future; however, it's worth noting that Sir Oswald Mosley was a savvy politician, and even he couldn't get the British, of all people, who were living in hard times and had voted time and time again for radical change that hadn't come, to warm up to his brand of Fascism. So I really can only be pessimistic towards a change in American political culture.

There's more, of course, the presence of minorities makes it hard to pitch the "class collaborationist" economy that animated Fascist fiscal policy. There's a worship of the Constitution on the right. Paramilitaries and the like have gone completely out of fashion, and "restoring order that the govt. refused to" was a big appeal of Fascism. All of that stuff is meaningful, but it's a bit tedious to go through, especially this late, and I'm sure you guys get the gist of it

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>I mean who really thinks that nationalism is best for humanity?
I do. It would be best to have a civics based empire where all the peoples of the empire mostly reside in ethnic provinces. Big cities would of course be diverse, as well as state entities such as the military, but ethnic cultures and ways of life would be preserved, after all the unique strengths and weaknesses of each race can be used by the empire to further the collective goal.

Very true, but saying the US was either too young to have a unique culture or just hadn’t been able to create one is patently false.

I mean facism is weak. Its obvious butthurtedness under the guise of "muh country"
But really tho i dont get it either desu

Theres not serious right OR left parties in this country. Almost as if rich people are colluding and we need them to fucking stop. Like make laws or some shit i dunno.

Yeah I don't like it. The way America is talked about, it's like it didn't exist before WW2.

Because no serious, rational, well adjudged people would consider fascism as some desirable goal.

You can have white nationalism or white identity without being a fascist.

Finally, there's the fact that Fascism is an entirely different "political theory" to borrow from Duginist framing. Aleksandr Dugin puts forth that, rather than Left v. Right, there are simply a number of different Political Theories. The ones he noted in the last century were Liberalism, Communism and Fascism. The combined might of the world was required to get rid of Fascism and Communism collapsed on its own, leaving Liberalism as the sole remaining theory. It's come to be seen as the "default" and the Overton Window begins and ends at Liberalism.

Nobody, except for Dugin, is trying to move beyond Liberalism, much less resurrect an old and largely reviled political theory. If you look at European "Fascist" movements, the overwhelming majority of them (especially the moderately successfully ones) aren't Fascist at all. They've simply taken some Fascist leanings and have reconciled those with Liberalism and are acting from within a Liberal framework. The same could largely be said of Communism today, China, DPRK etc. have shied away from Communism, opting for State Capitalism or Stalinesque reforms (in the case of DPRK). Democratic Socialism, which actually is doing well isn't Communism, its proponents have simply taken Communist leanings and reconciled those with Liberalism and are acting from within the Liberal framework.

Nobody is really trying out new political theories anymore. Francis Fukuyama's "End of History" has come to be seen as true. Not because it's right, it's actually been shown to be more incorrect each day, but people are lazy and take a narrow view of history and politics. It'll likely take the collapse of Liberalism (Which is coming), before people start earnestly dabbling in non-Liberal areas of political thought openly, and successfully again.

American "culture" is basically just hedonistic consumerism. We have no identity to make a fascist movement around,

You're inherently gay, faggot.

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There is no more land worth conquering on a military scale for a traditional empire. Large cities should become city-states and compete economically with each other. The rest of the lower population areas should be "free lands" where it is Ancap or libertairian rule, that the cities compete with for their resouces.

No, that came later.

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Because everyone else just sits on their ass and comments from their basement, like you OP

>The Silver Legion of America, commonly known as the Silver Shirts, was an underground American fascist organization founded by William Dudley Pelley that was headquartered in Asheville, North Carolina and announced publicly on January 30, 1933. The group was effectively dissolved on December 8, 1941, when police called for the open arrest of any individuals associated with the group.

WW2 and subsequent propaganda ruined any serious attempt at a far right movement.

America doesn't really have a "culture" though apart from consumerism. Different regions within America however (like the South) have their own cultures and identities. I think this is why the League of the South are the most normal looking of all the "alt right" groups, because Southern culture is organic and a legit movement can arise around that.

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Reminder that our ancestors never went out of their way to preserve the race - that's something that happened organically. We're angry about the state of the West, and rightfully so, but I don't think the solution lies in these 'movements' when our people are so hilariously disordered. What's needed foremost is a return to virtue, but that can't happen until we quit this idea that Whites are inherently perfect

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There is a culture here in Texas, I feel bad for you folks saying you have none.

10 years no taxes for the American people.
Then when 10 years are up, the poor class pay 15 to 25% of what they owe, the middle pay 35-50% and the wealthy pay 75-100% of what they earned.
Then after the year of taxation, 10 more years without taxation.
Reason how I came up with this is the immigrants that come here legally don't get taxed for 10 whole years.
America is about liberty and equality right?... But lately meaning over centuries it hasn't been like that...ever it seems like.

This is Jewish propaganda. Westphalian system nationalism developed out of the Thirty Years' War and the Westphalian peace treaty. It was the answer to the problem of every religion, potentate, people, and personalities trying to assert control over every other in wide-flinging geographic areas, without any sort of real or legitimate connection to the ruled in those areas. You had the Catholic Church nominally claiming control over central Europe from the Vatican, you had Catholic monarchs launching military campaigns against Vatican forces or allying with Protestants, you had the monarchy in Spain trying to control Germany trying to control Bohemia, you had Protestant potentates running around invading Europe over Catholicism, you had constitutionalists assisting monarchs in invading neighboring countries to keep the order in their own country, you had characters like Wallenstein running around trying to form a Slavic empire...it was totally out of control. Nationalism stopped the craziness.

Found the Nigger

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I blame the south

Because the right believe(s/d) that Trump is BASSSEEEDDDDD!!!! and has let his conservatism take over any movement.

The Order was great and the American Nazi Party was great until Rockwell was killed.

The only good group left is Atomwaffen.

Parading in streets won't get us anywhere. The system won't let us get power through legitimate political means (anyone who believes that we can somehow vote ourselves into power is retarded)

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fascism is socialism at its core
unlike Europe, America was founded on personal freedom
if you want a true nationalist movement you'll have build on that

What is that from?

kys nigger

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Fascists are scum

>unironically siege memeing
>unironically praising Atomwaffen of all people
>unironically celebrating Rockwell

Have we hit Poe's Law, because I honestly can't tell if this is satirical or you're just actually completely fucking retarded.

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>there probably won't be a WW3

I wouldn't be so sure about that. The global economy floats upon the US economy, and our economy is growing increasingly fragile. Although it seems to be doing great right now, our real issue is the national debt that will, in time, destroy the US dollar (AKA the world reserve currency).

You can call this a conspiracy theory if you like, but if/when that happens, the world is going to erupt in chaos. The current world population has been grown on debt, and when that bill is due, it will be paid in blood.

says the southerner

>that's something that happened organically

Indeed. Whites tend to thrive in free market environments because of our characteristic mix of intelligence, ingenuity, and industriousness. When the welfare state comes to an end (and it will when the US debt becomes too much to handle), the demographic shift will begin to reverse.

fag

All the major political movements on Earth are controlled from the top-down. Everything you will ever see is a form of controlled opposition.

Shouldn't you be white knighting Heimbach right now?

George Lincoln Rockwell was a complete and total failure. The man somehow managed to blunder the pro-white identity movement when racial tensions were at an all-time high and blacks were torching cities. He also supported free market capitalism.

Most people who have the time to go protest in the street are retards. Im too fucking busy working and raising my kids to go argue in the street with LARPers.

This

Probably because the human material is garbage, and so many subhumans are now polluting your country.
It hasn't always been the case though: youtube.com/watch?v=cryVYop7pyo

Nobody has the balls to step up and lead and the only people who do are weirdos. For a bunch of people who go on about alpha and Chad they are the leadership is mostly a joke on the right, nobody an lead shit well, no real structure in most of the groups and so much infighting it reminds me of tumblr sometimes. also people should consider copying the commies and infiltrate the institutions like universities and governments, blend in and change things from the inside. People need to go into teaching, the leftists are brain washing kids in the schools, it's probably their strongest propaganda outlet outside of the media.

>doesn't care about the future of the nation his kids are growing up in

Fuck off keyboard warrior. TWP shows up and puts it to antifa Faggots unlike you. Just keep jerking it to trap porn and bitch about Optics on pol you fucking loser

Che wasn't trying to take the 'long march' like new commies. Old school communism was against identity in general, wanting a worldwide proletariat and all.

Embracing identity culture came from the Frankfurt School of neo-marxists that were butthurt about communism only springing up in shithole thirdworld countries instead of industrial superpowers like Marx said would happen.

It was literally out of spite that these mother fuckers set out to tear down first world countries through wars of positions through demoralization and subversion.

Because it's a fringe movement. Most Americans just want to be left alone by everybody.

Matthew.... You're breaking my heart!

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The future is the ubermensch messaging and tactics of antifa, whom essentially adopt their flavor of the month cause, push micro aggression buttons, dissapate into the crowd seemingly with countless more synthesizing and read to take your place. It’s cowardace but it works

>The only good group left is Atomwaffen.
Lol they're all in jail now retard

Well the last election really polarized the nation more so than usual, Trump has historically been a known Democrat for most of his life but somehow shoehorned his way into traditional right politics. No matter what people say, I still see him as a democrat spouting conservative values to appeal to right-wing voters, while pandering to the left when he'll see a return investment. Don't get me wrong, in a way I'm glad we have him but he's making the same sort of mistake Obama did with his hard push on clean energy, stating a decisive hard-sell solution with no realistic means of seeing it through. Illegal immigration is a real issue but a generous estimate of 50-60% of Americans don't see it as being as big a deal as it is, they'll denounce it when asked but in reality would turn a blind eye to it as not being their problem. Which is the real problem, getting Americans to take it seriously.

Because fascism is a joke.
>dude just give ultimate power to the government they will never harm us unlike every this happens in real life ever lmao
All an autistic power fantasy because you somehow think you'll be the one in charge and not shipped to a work camp for being a worthless NEET.

This is somewhat true, but that is because there has been an incredible swell of maternal instincts taking over the male psychie. This is due to the adoption of high housing standards as well as gender roles in a marriage. Ever since the the colonization of America, the states have been flipping from a paternal thought system into a matriarchal one because of the injection of ideas the women of men were allowed to regularly make. The world was never like this, and you will notice the law of men throughout time has a positive liberty aspect to it, as in you do something you get a reaction/something in return. The maternal swell of the United States was a little different, because of wise men that decided to adopt matriarchal negative liberty laws to allow freedom of movement and competition, as well as being a more scientific approach to precedent and law mangling and demographic shifts, the United States was raised a whore. Things got so bad at one point, women took to streets and banned alcohol in the shadow of the most devastating war at the time the civil war.

Because they all want to be hitler and refuse to leave the 20s and 30s.

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Great writeup, thanks!

It’s not bad enough yet. And there’s still more cities and suberbs for whites to dodge too.

You need enough people willing go to jail. Enough to overfill a county prison and really overwhelm local police. With those numbers you’d have some cop defectors to free people and you’re set.

Fascism requires there to be a crisis of great significance. People on the fringes often feel the tides of change before others simply because they lack the buffer of comfort that comes with a high standard of living. The decay has to reach a point where normies just click into crisis mode by looking out the window. On top of this we are dealing with a hugely sedated population, and sedation technology (mass media, mental health crisis and mass prescription of SSRI's among others) keeps advancing, it is one of the largest areas of technological development and certainly the only area most people care or think about. More and more I suspect it is going to take the nuclear reboot button, and even then there is no guarantee, if anyone survives, that it will be your pet ideology that gets implemented.

>why no serious fascist
Because they'd be painting a Target on their backs, politically. Forget getting bird-dogged by the SPLC. It's just asking to be infiltrated by snitches & undercover agents from the FBI, ATF, DEA, take your pick. Nobody here has the sheer balls for organizational skills to bring it off. The Aryan Brotherhood and the IRA know it just takes
one mole to fuck things up good.

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Read a book.

PURGE the CIA shills.

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All "fascist" movements are immediately infiltrated by fbi and jews. For example that guy spencer is jew lover and an fbi informant who got some of his friends sentenced already. Note the quotes - fasism is misguided nationalism by american standards instantyl subwerted to political goals. Smart people are keeping away from it as far as possible.

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>ctrl+f
>"identity evropa"/"identity europa"
>0 results
come on now

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Atomwaffen

Stop using Google faggot

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Because americans are not white and european,they are a cultureless,negroefied,jewed people of subhumans.

Because fascism is a dead meme ideology for under achievers who need to cling to the idea that their race makes them better in order to make up for not having any real achievements in life.

Get out lemming.

>It's all fat weirdos and mystery meat "identitarians" with no real goals or means of achieving them.
It checks out. That's what being a fascist is all about.

>this is what non-Whites truly believe