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Dylan Foster
--- Hydrogen Cyanide found in gas chambers (proving that Zyklon B was used), Leuchter's&Rudolf's report refuted
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Joseph Martin
the very recently late take Oskar groening as an example - a man recently convicted of war crimes, who has been vigorously combating deniers for forty years. he testifies that he saw the gas chambers the selections the bodies and the crematoria and the burning pits - that it was all true. He was under no pressure to do this, and in the end it lead to his conviction on his own confession. (I think wrongly, or at least he should not have been given a custodial sentence)
Nathaniel Ross
sage
Leo Thompson
George Orwell writes in 'Notes on Nationalism' that
>The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them. For quite six years the English admirers of Hitler contrived not to learn of the existence of Dachau and Buchenwald. And those who are loudest in denouncing the German concentration camps are often quite unaware, or only very dimly aware, that there are also concentration camps in Russia. Huge events like the Ukraine famine of 1933, involving the deaths of millions of people, have actually escaped the attention of the majority of English russophiles. Many English people have heard almost nothing about the extermination of German and Polish Jews during the present war. Their own antisemitism has caused this vast crime to bounce off their consciousness. In nationalist thought there are facts which are both true and untrue, known and unknown. A known fact may be so unbearable that it is habitually pushed aside and not allowed to enter into logical processes, or on the other hand it may enter into every calculation and yet never be admitted as a fact, even in one's own mind.
Jonathan Young
daily reminder your numbers numbers aren't from historians.
The 9 million gambit in Night and Fog is a pure invention by Robert Faurisson from the beginning of the 1990s, that has been fully debunked in 2002 (in french), here: phdn.org
What must be underlined is that the famous "decreasing" list of Auschwitz death tolls (that is presented on e.g. codoh) is a Faurisson manipulation: most figures are NOT from historians' studies and have no historical value. Furthermore, they are displayed not in chronological order but in decreasing order, so as to give the reader the feeling that no serious toll was ever given and that it always kept going down. Sources are willingly given in evasive ways in order to make any verification difficult, if not impossible. The list has evolved and been modified, enriched with time, but it's a big fraud.
For example, the 8 and 7 million figure stem from the same book, authored by Eugene Aroneanu who, in 1945, gathered in the heat of the war's end some data and testimonies in a simple, not scholarly at all, way: Camps de concentration (Office français d'édition, 1945). Aroneanu purports to cite an official report from the O.R.C.G (Office de recherches des crimes de guerre) for the 8 million figure, but that report is nowhere to be found and that figure has never been used by anyone else anywhere else. So NO, it's not the "French War Crime Research Office, doc 31", as the Faurisson list says, that gives that figure, but rather Aroneanu, allegedly from a source that nobody has ever been able to check.
Zachary Bell
The post continues with the 7 million figure also attributed to the "French War Crime Research Office". That's also a lie. It's again taken from Eugene Aroneanu's little book. It stems from a witness, Raphaël Feigelson, who is mentioned only once, only there to say that "according to Raphaël Feigelson there were 7 million victims". So of course, this figure is NOT from the "French War Crime Research Office". In both cases, deniers fail to cite the proper source (Aroneanu) and do not provide any way to verify (but unfortunately for the denier morons, Gilles Karmasyn from phdn did!)
The six millions figure is NOT in Nyiszli's book (there is the classical 4 million figure though). The 6 million figure attributed to Nyiszli is in fact due to his translator (to french) Tibère Kremer, who put up this number (without source or even qualification) in a preface to the first appearance of Nyiszli's story in french in 1951, in the french periodical, Les Temps Modernes («S.S. Obersturmführer Docteur Mengele. Journal d'un médecin déporté au crématorium d'Auschwitz», Les Temps Modernes, mars 1951, no 65). This number disappears from the first edition as a book, in 1961 (Médecin à Auschwitz: souvenirs d'un médecin déporté, Juillard), even though Kremer provides a preface to that edition as well. Kremer, though he was in the French Resistance, had no particular qualification to be able to properly estimate a death toll for Auschwitz. So this figure is like most of the others in the list: it has no significance within Auschwitz historiography, no impact at all and Nyiszli should of course not be held responsible for it.
Matthew Stewart
The 5 million figure from Le Monde in 1978 is mentioned in a small insert in an article about the 35th birthday of the Warsaw ghetto uprising. Auschwitz is not even the subject of that insert, the figure is merely part of a sentence without source. It's bad journalism and has absolutely NO significance or impact on the actual historiography regarding Auschwitz's death toll. More than that: the alleged "1,433,000" figure from french newspaper Le Monde in 1989 is a lie. Le Monde never wrote there were 1,433,000 victims in Auschwitz. Another example of deniers being morons who can easily be debunked.
In fact it's easy to see that NONE of the figures above 4 million have any significance or impact. They were never uttered by historians, never used by historians, even never used at all anywhere else, outside the source they're taken from (if it's not a complete hoax source, as with the 9 million in night and fog, as claimed by Faurisson).
Figures taken from survivors have of course not much value since they were not in a position to know precise numbers, only to guess the scale of the murder. In fact if you take out witnesses, journalists and non-historians, what emerges is a very unsurprising distribution between one and two million (with anomalies that are well known and studied by Pressac, Meyer, and the infamous 4 million).
Very interestingly, the deniers who love Hoess fail to mention his main, most important, most valuable evaluation of the Auschwitz death toll, the one he wrote in his memoirs (from 1946!): 1,13 million.
Yet again an exhaustive and seemingly damning list gets torn apart with ridiculous ease by phdn scholar Gilles Karmasyn, proving deniers are nothing but a charade-ridden bunch of incompetent falsifiers.
Connor Butler
The last figure lists the number of official deaths (as recorded by Nazi clerks) from the camp inmate population, in the camp death books. Keep in mind all the children, infants with mothers, sick, cripples, elderly and others who didn't make the cut during the Selektion process right off the train ramp were never admitted into the camp in the first place and were instead marched off along the train tracks toward the Crematoria buildings, where the "showers", aka the gas chambers were - they make up the bulk of Auschwitz's 1.1 million death toll. They never appear in any of the camp's "Sterbebücher" further discussed here: imgur.com/iDM1rP3
These death certificate books are incomplete – we only have about two years of books – and only cover Auschwitz I – not the two larger camps Auschwitz II and Auschwitz Birkenau (III). We have testimony from one of the people who wrote the books (recorded decades before the books became available) that he forged the causes of death – writing 2herat failure” for all those executed or murdered. After a while he was told to use something else because it was beginning to look suspicious – and indeed almost 40,000 are recorded as having heart failure – almost all young men. A statistical anomaly.
No one has ever claimed that these figures are complete, or that they cover all the camps at Auschwitz, or that the totals are correct, or that the grand total given is in any way accurate.
Hunter Gonzalez
If it was a hoax, why would they revise the figure? Revising the figure downwards proves they are trying to be honest and accurate.
Most of the items listed are not actually "changes", but a spread of estimates from different
>1,250,000 In 1985, historian Raul Hilberg arrived at this figure in his book, “The Destruction of the European Jews.” According to Hilberg, of those dead, some 1,000,000 were Jews.
Hilberg was using this figure from the mid 1950's, as were all other historians (serious researchers had established this at the one to two million figure by 1950)
yes that book did not get published until the 1980's but he, and every other serious researcher had settled the figure thirty years before.
the fact that journalists, politicians and other non experts used the wrong figures is neither surprising nor significant.
Anthony Mitchell
this is the blueprint showing the Crematorium 1 at Auschwitz as it was originally built - witht eh chimney connected to flues underground
the chimney was demolished in 1943 when the building was converted to an air raid shelter (after the gassings and cremation work were transferred to the new crema 2-5 at Birkenau)
the reconstructed chimney is on the same foundations as the original.
Ayden Russell
frenchie!
oh how i've not missed you
>for those unaware this thread is JIDF sponsored unrevised ww2 history as told by the Nuremberg trials that accepted any evidence at face value, even witness testimony when later all of them were discovered to be lies
degas
Owen Perez
>₪50 have been deposited into your account.
Carson Lewis
deniers sometimes say it takes hours to burn a single body - they are entirely wrong.
Hudson Peterson
>>for those unaware this thread is JIDF sponsored
nope - are all you posts paid for by the neo nazi movement?
> unrevised ww2 history as told by the Nuremberg trials that accepted any evidence at face value,
not true - which if you had read the transcripts would be obvious, but you have done no research have you?
>even witness testimony when later all of them were discovered to be lies
also not true.
wow, three out three wrong, you are going well.
tell you what, point out something I have posted which is false... go on, back up your claims
Sebastian Cox
How about debunking the stuff this guy posted using valid sources?
Andrew Gray
> even witness testimony when later all of them were discovered to be lies
Proof? Instead of calling people names why don't you provide refutations? I mean your side is the one that's politically motivated.
>if I accuse him of being a shill I won't have to provide rebuttals!
Evan Lopez
I think this needs no introduction...
debunked denier lies that are posted very day
John Hill
why did they not talk about killing them? Because Hitler's right hand man said not to...
just say "deporting" and sending to work camps, don't mention the mass murder camps
Brayden Bennett
deniers like to say that there were not enough ovens...
yeah right
Aiden Harris
they also like to say that there were not enough jews - not 6 million in germany (yes, but they invaded poland with three milllion and the east with another three or four million plus the rest of Europe with a total of about nine or ten million within Nazi grasp)
Alexander Thomas
Ummmm. Modern ovens take hours. That's the sales pitch from modern oven salesmen.
We all exaggerate that it only takes 1 hour for two bodies because we want to help the narrative. Benefit of the doubt sort of thing!
But the numbers still come up short.
Nathan Nguyen
Hi stormfront shills.
Eli Perez
It's literally the same French guy copy pasting his JIDF folder every time. What's the point in arguing? He throws out so much chaff it's impossible. And I recognise your meme flag pops up to support him in these threads.
I hope JIDF actually pay a decent rate.
Nicholas Evans
>if I continue calling him a shill people will think I refuted him!!!
Are we worried there, stormfront?
Angel Perry
How come Anne Frank (a child) was kept in two camps adn died of Typhus, not gas? they say
because she was 15 years old and classed as an adult for slave labour purposes.
The passenger list from the train that took her to Auschwitz had 1,019 people listed; 498 men, 442 women, and 79 children . Of those, 425 were selected for labor and registered at Auschwitz, and 594 were not processed into the camp and were gassed. The 594 included all of the children on the train who were under 15 years old. None of the 425 people who were registered were under 15.
79 children. Gassed. From one small train load
Jason Hernandez
French fag is a holohax believer shill though. He's here all the time just like you are spamming walls of text. Throwing out pasta as fast as captcha allows is shilling for a cause. You have both been rebutted in many threads, many times to various degrees with counter arguments. You've made your point and other have made theirs. Theres nothing new itt.
Jace Lee
Worried about what? That the holocaust will continue to be used as the justification for flooding the west with Somalis? Damn right.
I can only hope the same thing happens to israel.
Andrew Anderson
Post one rebuttal using valid sources then. All your arguments are calling someone shill or jidf
Mason Evans
deniers like to say 6 million were gassed and cremated in the camps (sometimes just Auschwitz), and calculate stupid sums showing this was impossible .
they forget that no one says six million were gassed, or that six million were cremated, or that it all happened in the camps. they forget the mass shootings and the use of gas vans by the einsatzgruppen in the eastern front.
and they forget reports like this, detailing over 1.5 million murders of jews (separate columns for children and women and men, in separate division from Partisans) document these killings
John Brown
>You have both been rebutted in many threads, many times to various degrees with counter arguments.
please do as this guy says - one rebuttal
one argument that I have not refuted with sources
Aaron Roberts
Where are the rebuttals? Ad Hominems are not rebuttals, sweetie.
>muh jooooooooooooooooooooooooos pour Europe with somalis!!! wait let me show u this unsourced cherrypicked infographic or these cherrypicked quotes from joooooooooooooooooooooooos who are totally random!!!!!11111111 ignore that i can't refute the Holocaust... BUT LOOK AT DEM JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
Are we sweating there stormfront?
Andrew Sanchez
>What's the point in arguing? He throws out so much chaff it's impossible.
ok tackle one point and I shall happily talk about it.
just one argument - please
also, not JDIF - this is my holocaust folder, as the OP asked for (although I think he wanted the shit tier stuff deniers usually post, but hey, he asked for it...)
Kayden Harris
The holocaust is not used as a justification for that, the justification for that is humanitarian standards the West themselves decided to uphold.
Nolan Gutierrez
>That the holocaust will continue to be used as the justification
is it?
I thought the reaso for allowing in refugees from war torn countries was because it is the humane thing to do?
but let us not argue about that - this is a holohoax thread - haven't you got any rebuttal to what I have posted?
just one little argument, come on...
Nicholas Jenkins
I have neither the time nor the interest in engaging with shills at the moment. I'm sure others will come along eventually, they usually do. French fag wont learn anything and will just repost the same stuff again tomorrow without any consideration of any counter arguments made. See how he demands rebuttals as if its never happened when he's been rebutted many times before for months now. I never called him jidf, pretty sure hes a bong living in France with a chip on his shoulder and not some kike agent, but what he does is by definition shilling. If you take that as a negative connotation then so be it.
Austin Ramirez
but gas vans were invented by soviets ten years before the nazis were supposed to use them (and he was a joo as well)
so what? does not mean that the nazis would not use a good idea?
William Torres
So no rebuttals? Stormfront shills BTFO
Jonathan Powell
Answer this: Why did the Germans try to exterminate the Jews? For "racial purity"? Bullshit. They did what they did because you are a societal cancer. I see it more and more everyday - banking, media, porn, etc. Jews are demons and you will be cast back when the actual "Shoah" happens.
Charles Hernandez
but the red cross have all the numbers adn they say it was only a few joos.
nope. they never saw the death camps, and they had very limited access to the others.
and the numbers they published are not totals, and they say so.
There is no evidence that any delegates of the ICRC inspected the Auschwitz camps. On 29 September 1944, the ICRC delegate Maurice Rossel visited the commandant's office of Auschwitz main camp. He wrote a report about his trip. It is clear that Rossel did not manage to enter and inspect its prisoner's compound (let aside Birkenau, where the extermination sites were located). The prisoner's compound of the main camp consisted of 25 barracks, yet Rossel only saw "six to eight very large red brick barracks". Hence, he only saw it from the commandant's office. Furthermore, Rossel did not speak to Auschwitz prisoners. He only talked to what he thought was the camp commandant and had to trust his word
Rossel: "I arrived at that Kommandantur where I was received very correctly by the camp commander. [...] I asked him...if it would be possible that we would support the infirmary, that we would visit....He said: – No, these are internees, you have no right to see whatever. But if you would like to send help to the infirmary, or medications, you can do that.' [...]
[Lanzmann: How long did this last, your meeting?]
Rossel: Half an hour, 45 minutes.
[Lanzmann: And what did you see of the camp?]
Rossel: Nothing.
Michael Sanchez
So you don't really have any arguments. This the same reason why revisionists won't have real open debate about the holocaust becuase they don't have real arguments, only lies they use to lure people to their side.
Carson Miller
but the number on the plaque changed...
Dylan Jenkins
Okay, why do all the gas chambers have ridiculous methods of adding zyklon b? Why did the delousing chambers have far more sophisticated systems?
Colton Jones
>when reddit and JIDF join forces
Mason Reyes
ignore the french jew
Nolan Barnes
>French fag wont learn anything and will just repost the same stuff again tomorrow without any consideration of any counter arguments made. See how he demands rebuttals as if its never happened when he's been rebutted many times before for months now.
I have yet to see one rebuttal to any argument I have made - from you or anyone else.
it is just holocoaster rides and stadia needed to bury the bodies pictures.
seriously - one argument - one source, one good rebuttal - I will listen, and research and answer, and if you are right I will say so.
Lucas Jones
Andrew Jenkins
The 11 million figure was plucked out of thin air to make the goyim feel included. The guy who made it up has admitted such.
timesofisrael.com
That guy made up a lot of shit though.
Dominic Morris
>you
I am not jewish.
and saying that peasant farmers in the Ukraine should be murdered because they worship in a different church is frankly sociopathic.
you have not thought much about this have you?
if the Nazis wanted to expel them they could have done so. they chose instead to enslave many, murder many, and steal all their possessions.
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Charles Butler
>Fincuck who constantly shills racemixing shit and french fag shilling holohoax bs.
Checks out
Connor Russell
Why spend HUGE amounts of recources, manpower and money to gas people while starving them to death would cost almost nothing?
Why are there so many ridiculous stories about spongebob-esque machines designed to kill le jews in the most impractical, dumb way possible? For example, the oven-rollercoaster.
A fucking rollercoaster. Jewish testimony.
Parker Williams
Zyklon B was a common cyanide pesticide. During WW2, Germans purchased 750 tons of it to delouse fabrics at all concentration camps because of the typhus epidemic that originated on the Eastern Front in 1941.
Typhus, also known as "jail fever," is a deadly disease for which there is still no preventative vaccine. It was the primary cause of death in German WW2 concentration camps, the vast majority near the end of the war as German society collapsed. For example, Anne Frank and her sister Margot died from typhus in the camp hospital at Bergen-Belsen after their transfer there from Auschwitz, where they had spent 2 months. Anne Frank's father, Otto, was liberated from the Auschwitz camp hospital where he was also ill with typhus.
15,000 of the 50,000 Jews who died in Bergen-Belsen died from typhus in the 2 months AFTER it had been liberated by British troops.
>Nearly 14,000 prisoners would die after liberation.
iwm.org.uk
The Americans used Zyklon B to fumigate the clothes of Mexican immigrants at the border.
>Zyklon B arrived in El Paso in the 1920s courtesy of the US government. In 1929, for example, a Public Health Service officer, J.R. Hurley, ordered $25 worth of the materialhydrocyanic acid in pellet formas a fumigating agent for use at the El Paso delousing station, where Mexicans crossed the border from Juárez.
thenation.com
The British Empire used Zyklon B for fumigating passenger ships and food granaries, as discussed in these journals.
>During the past three years various products such as Zyklon B have been used in Colombo in the fumigation of vessels, lighters, granaries, rat burrows
Nolan Wright
journals.sagepub.com
As discussed in the journal above, Zyklon B gas deposits a distinctive Prussian blue residue on exposure. The Prussian blue is clearly present after 75 years in the Majdanek delousing chamber, but not in the Auschwitz main homicidal gas chamber. Extensive testing has been done on the Auschwitz gas chamber walls, both by independent researchers and the Auschwitz museum authorities. They all returned the same result. They were found to contain only trace amounts of cyanide, as much as one would expect to find in a room that had been fumigated, but not a homicidal gas chamber.
Fred Leuchter was "The nation's leading adviser on capital punishment" in America according to the New York Times (October 13, 1990). In 1988, he tested the walls of the Auschwitz gas chamber at the behest of Ernst Zundel and found only trace amounts of cyanide. It was this scientific proof of a gas chamber hoax that brought holocaust revisionism into the mainstream (1:23).
ihr.org
The results of the Leuchter reports have since been replicated by both the Auschwitz museum
ihr.org
and Germar Rudolf, a chemistry PhD student at the Max Planck Institute.
germarrudolf.com
The main homicidal gas chamber on display at Auschwitz museum is in fact a Soviet reconstruction of an air raid shelter, including fake holes in the roof and fake chimney. The Auschwitz museum did not inform the public of this deception for 47 years.
>The crematorium I building was adapted as an air-raid shelter in 1944.
auschwitz.org
The only reason we know this is because of an interview between Jewish American historian David Cole and the head curator of Auschwitz museum, Dr Franciszek Piper, in 1992.
Nathan James
>gib sources
This is what they always say because we all know that history is written by the victors. Funny part is, Pierre just regurgitates the same "sources" that utterly fail that 6 million were killed. If you have such big claims, kike, it's on you to prove them. Yet everything is muh Jewish feels.
>TFW holocaust never happened but world would have been better off if it did.
Isaac Johnson
Josef Kramer, Assistant Commandant of Auschwitz:
>I have heard of the allegations of former prisoners in Auschwitz referring to a gas chamber there, the mass executions and whippings, the cruelty of the guards employed, and that all this took place either in my presence or with my knowledge. All I can say to all this is that it is untrue from beginning to end.
bergenbelsen.co.uk
Rudolf Hoess, Commandant of Auschwitz, Nuremberg testimony:
>I declare herewith under oath that in the years 1941 to 1943 during my tenure in office as commandant of Auschwitz Concentration Camp 2 million Jews were put to death by gassing and a 1/2 million by other means. Rudolf Hoess. May 14, 1946.
From the memoirs of Rudolf Hoess:
>I was treated terribly by the [British] Field Security Police. I was dragged to Heide and, of all places, to the same military barracks from which I had been released eight months before by the British. During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear.
mailstar.net
From an interview with Captain Bernard Clarke, officer at Rudolf Hoess's arrest:
>The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless. Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: 'Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.'
amazon.co.uk
Auschwitz: Plain Facts - A Response to Jean-Claude Pressac - Edited by Germar Rudolf
holocausthandbooks.com
Ryan Fisher
*utterly fail to prove
Aaron Walker
ok fair question.
answer - they didn't.
the hole in the cieling picture is from the botched soviet "reconstruction" of the first experimental gas chamber. this was used very breifly, because it was not very good for the job. they moved then to a small farmhouse (later another was also converted - the little red house and the little white house) which they bricked up the windows and had a nice heavy door and threw the pellets in a small window at the side..
but these were not handy for body disposal - they used burning pits.
shortly after that they built the custom made undressing room, gas chamber (with forced air ventilation and heating) and cremation ovens beside.
four of those units.
the pellets were introduced from the cieling, into wire cages in the centre of the room. the room was prewarmed and hot from all the people in it, for maximum gas discharge.
Some accounts say the pellets were poured in, others say they were lowered in buckets . either way the pellets were recovered and sent back to the manufacturer for recharging with cyanide.
what is ridiculous about that?
Jack Cook
How did they find Hoess and make him talk?
>In the last days of the war, Himmler advised Höss to disguise himself among German Navy personnel. He evaded arrest for nearly a year. When captured on 11 March 1946 in Gottrupel, he was disguised as a gardener and called himself Franz Lang.[36] His wife had revealed his whereabouts to protect her son, Klaus, who was being “badly beaten” by British soldiers, many of them Jewish.[37][38] The British force that captured Höss included Hanns Alexander, a British captain originally from Berlin... The Jewish soldiers accompanying Alexander began to beat Hoss with axe handles. After a few moments and a minor internal debate, Alexander pulled them off."[36][40]
en.wikipedia.org
Hoess's daughter corroborated that their family was threatened in an interview with the Daily Mail.
>That was the worst time. British soldiers shouted at us children, demanding to know where dad was.
>I did not know that, next door, these atrocities were taking place.
>I thought at the beginning: "it can't be!"
>'He was the nicest man in the world,' she said. 'He was very good to us.'
dailymail.co.uk
She denied knowing the holocaust happened despite that "They could even see the prisoner blocks and old crematorium from an upstairs window." All day, every day, for years on end, there were thousands of Jews filing past that window into that building and only smoke coming out. How come she didn't notice?
Lincoln Jenkins
1 post by this id. The rest of the thread is shilled hard by fake preplanned jdif stats.
The ol alley oop play, will OP have a change of heart at the end? Stay tuned, wait no sage and kys
Hunter Scott
Not to mention the fact that they show us piles of dead bodies while at the same time telling us that the Jews were BURNED
Austin Powell
Starving takes long and also still requires a lot of manpower and money, do you really think that's practical if you want to get rid of a lot of people fast?
Jonathan Richardson
>Zyklon B gas deposits a distinctive Prussian blue residue on exposure. The Prussian blue is clearly present after 75 years in the Majdanek delousing chamber, but not in the Auschwitz main homicidal gas chamber.
evidence that genocide did not occur. Comparing the delousing chambers to the gas chambers and stating that delousing chambers contain blue bricks, while the other does not. When delousing clothing it takes many hours for the chemical to penetrate and kill the vermin, be it lice, rats, or beetles. These creatures are much harder to kill than humans by the gas. Lice, which were the main victims of delousing chambers, have a stronger tolerance to Zyklon B and it takes "a more concentrated exposure to cyanide gas over a longer period of time to kill lice than to kill humans"(Lipstadt 168). At the Auschwitz- Birkenau camps delousing took somewhere between 16 and 18 hours until everything was cleansed(Pressac 59). While lingering the room the for so long, Zyklon B would be more likely to soak into the walls. With 16 hours of exposure any chemical would soak into the encasing wall. In relation to the gas chambers, the Zyklon B was inside the room for only a brief period of time. The entire process, including the extraction of the bodies took no more than a four hours(Gutman 170f.). "About a half-hour after the induction of the gas, the ventilation was turned on, the door opened"(Gutman 170). With such a short exposure time, the gas was unable to soak into the walls, thus not creating a blue stain.
phdn.org
Jose Fisher
Emmaly Reed was a child in that time.
False or exaggerated testimonies do not disapprove the Holocaust, same as a false or exaggerated testimonies from some Vietnam vets do not disapprove the Vietnamese war.
How about you give me some numbers, tonnage etc.? Germany spent most resources on the army and had the resources of almost the entire Europe at their disposal.
Furthermore Germany had to construct vast facilities to accomodate the 7,8 million slave labor they held (this number is straight from the Nazi records).
Your statement is an assertion in the first place. The resources and manpower they spent on the extermination of Jews was nothing in comparison to the war efforts.
Jace Kelly
A later investigation, carried out by a G. Rudolf (4), confirmed the high concentrations of cyanogen compounds in the facilities for clothes disinsectization. This may be so since, being undamaged, these facilities were not exposed to the action of weather conditions, especially rainfall. Moreover, it is known that the duration of disinsectization was relatively long, about 24 hours for each batch of clothes (probably even longer), whereas the execution with Zyklon B in the gas chambers took, according to the statement of the Auschwitz Camp Commander Rudolf Hoess (7) and the data presented by Sehn (6), only about 20 minutes. It should also be emphasized that the ruins of these chambers have been constantly exposed to the action of precipitation and it can be estimated, on the basis of the climatological records, that in these last 45 years or so they have been rinsed rather thoroughly by a column of water at least 35 m in height (!).
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>fake chimney
fotos.fotoflexer.com
>David Cole
Debunked here holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com
John Murphy
I have a question...
What's the argument? Whether it actually happened? Or is it simply the numbers killed?
I know some jews... so no doubt it actually happened. I'd like to burn them as well, and I'm friendly with these guys, but they just wont shut up with the lies... constantly. Worse than women.
Seriously I never even thought to doubt any of it, until nations started outlawing denial. That's a huge red flag right there.
But is the "denier" argument just about the numbers killed? Educate me.
Leo Price
Most killings happened in 1942 and 1943.
Also Hydrogen Cyanide was used as an execution method in USA as well -> deathpenalty.procon.org
Hydrogen Cyanide is more lethal to humans than insects.
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
So these points of yours are not arguments.
Nathan Martinez
ahah - the first bit of denier trash - well done you get a special prize.
yes this is all debunked
larsen was not at any of the major killing camps, but he did say in his memoirs that he did autopsy people who had been gassed - so point one is a lie!
2 is also false!
3 is also false! (hofle telegram)
4 is also false! Goebbels diaries are quite explicit about this.
5 is stupid - not all died at the camps, and false, as many mass graves have been found -
6 actually they were debunked by historians by the 1950's
7 not lies - they were rumours accounting for the mass killings, by people who were not eyewitnesses to them. the steam room idea was mooted in the same report that said it might be poison gas (or steam) or echaust fumes - turned out they used two out of the three. the electrocution idea was similar - no one knew how they were being killed, but they knew they were killed en masse. Once ther truth (gas or exhaust fumes) was known, no one ever claimed the other methods were used. no one was ever convicted of killing by those methods.
8 is not relevant to the holocaust
9 nope, false. there were eyewitnesses (although we all know how bad eyewitness testimony can be) "what you find laughable is not an argument
10 please provide proof of this miraculous evacuation - what number arrived in Khazakstan
11 false. outsiders visited, and plenty of witnesses, adn documentary evidence, adn archaeology proves it.
12 true, although it is not a spray. so what. it also kills people. says so on the tin
13 Krege report is bunk - site was surveyed before and has been surveyed after showing mass graves. also german documents do not show it is a transit camp - where did they transit to? nearly a million went there and did not go to anywhere else.
14 - not jewish inmates
15 false. also irrelevant. read more history.
16 false, for the most part, and also irrelevant - plenty of other evidence, and testimony by people who were never tortured.
Jordan Fisher
phdn.org
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history.org/auschwitz/leuchter-speech/leuchter-speech.shtml
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Also nice sources you have there because the director of IHR accepts the Holocaust ->
youtube.com
David Cole also accepts the Holocaust now.
Majority of your sources are from people who now accept the Holocaust. Says much doesn't it?
Logan Kelly
>mailstar.net
Why do deniers never mention his experience under Polish captivity?
>I have to openly confess I never would have expected to be treated so decently and so kindly in a Polish prison
Here's another lovely passage from his memoirs
The door would be screwed shut and the waiting disinfection squads would immediately pour the gas [crystals] into the vents in the ceiling of the gas chamber down an air shaft which went to the floor. This ensured the rapid distribution of the gas. The process could be observed through the peep hole in the door. Those who were standing next to the air shaft were killed immediately. I can state that about one-third died immediately. The remainder staggered about and began to scream and struggle for air. The screaming, however, soon changed to gasping and in a few moments everyone lay still. After twenty minutes at the most no movement could be detected. The time required for the gas to take effect varied according to weather conditions and depended on whether it was damp or dry, cold or warm. It also depended on the quality of the gas, which was never exactly the same, and on the composition of the transports, which might contain a high proportion of healthy Jews, or the old and sick, or children. The victims became unconscious after a few minutes, according to the distance from the air shaft. Those who screamed and those who were old, sick, or weak, or the small children died quicker than those who were healthy or young.
The door was opened a half an hour after the gas was thrown in and the ventilation system was turned on. Work was immediately started to remove the corpses.
Xavier White
How about you actually refute my point instead of demanding numbers faggot.
It's not like they were waging war on two fronts and had to carefully decide which resources went where OH WAIT
And no, that statement isn't an assertion, it's the most basic of common sense.
But hey, you tried to dodge the second question, so you're on your way to becoming a prime propagandist, Moshe!
Simple headshots would be quick, and a LOT less expensive. Why didn't they shoot them in the head at a measly cost of one bullet per jew?
Besides, they were supposedely doing forces labour as well, it's not only effective, but incredibly profitable as well to have them starve.
Work until you drop, 100% profit.
No need for masturbation death-machines, oven-rollercoasters, shark-pools, electrified floors or any other fucking looney-tunes feverdreams.
David Bennett
Dylan Diaz
>Simple headshots would be quick, and a LOT less expensive. Why didn't they shoot them in the head at a measly cost of one bullet per jew?
You understand what the Einsatzgruppen were right?
Nathaniel Reed
Because chucking a bunch of pellets into a room and hoping all the cyanide evaporates seems dodgy as fuck, and the germans had perfectly convenient machines that could control the release the gas.
Adam Morales
that image doesn't really disprove what it's trying to disprove, in fact it supports that jews exaggerate their numbers into the millions
4 million, 5 million, 6 million, 7 million, whatever. It's all just early 20th century jewish slang for "lots"
Kayden Thomas
Michael Bennett
>How did they find Hoess and make him talk?
Keyword is BRITISH here, what you obviously DO NOT know is that Höss was only physically tortured WHEN he was captured to ADMIT HIS IDENTITY.
After that he was under the custody of AMERICANS, he was NOT physically tortured, it were mere psychological "tricks" the interrogators bragged about. That's when signed the testimonies.
After that he was put under the Polish custody, in that time he even wrote in his memoairs that the Poles treat him very well.
All your links talk about the British capture, when in fact it he was tortured only to admit his identity when he tried to escape.
Do you expect that Höss just told his daughter they are murdering people? Do you also expect a daughter would incriminate her father?
Blake Garcia
You understand that they could have done that for all the jews but somehow decided that incredibly inefficient ways of killing were magically preferreble, right?
Jeremiah Gray
Oh well... ignored. /sad panda.
We'll try harder next time Schlomo. Git all of ya this time around.
Charles Wood
Moron
The explanation is simple: the mentions of 5 and 6 million were mostly referring to the Jewish population of the Russian Empire (or its former territories after the Bolshevik revolution, including Poland) which was estimated as... you guessed it, between 5 and 6 million. 3 million referred mostly to the Jewish population of Poland and neighboring territories.
en.wikipedia.org
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Justin Gomez
So you need a lot of zyklon b for lice, and hardly any at all for humans. So all those piles of cans of zyklon B isn't evidence for shit, it's just propaganda. Thanks for making that clear
Ethan Morales
Because actually physically murdering tons of people (includes women and children) yourself would even riddle some of the most hardened antisemites with traumas, as you can probably imagine (unless you're a psychopath or something). That's also one of the reason why the extermination proces was made more clean.
Also can you imagine prisoners coming to a camp and hearing gunshots all over the place, that would cause instand panic and continious weeping. Not to mention any a suspision from nearby citizens of what the hell was even going on in that camp.
Parker Roberts
You didn't answer my question but I'll take it as a no considering your response.
The reality is that lots of Jews were shot. But they found that it was basically giving all the executioners PTSD and was more inefficient than expected. So they looked to the T4 programme amongst others to find a more impersonal way to do it.
Liam Hernandez
Maybe, and I know this might be a bit far out, but maybe there are lots of cans of Zyklon B because they killed lots of people with them?
Connor Gomez
17 false 1.5 million did not die under Eisenhower in those camps - that is a lie told in a book in 1996 which has no historical documentation to support it. Gas chambers are efficient.
18 Vrba saved many lives . he was not forced to admit anything - other than that he had not been in a gas chamber himself - it was the barrister who put that libelous spin on it. a typical denier deception - misquote and mis-interpret
19 yes, Stolen Souls was too.
so what? they are not part of the historical record
20 it can be investigated. You can ask whatever you want. But if you want to say it did not happen you need good reason to say so - you need to overturn the massive amount of evidence that it did happen. Do that and you can deny it. Go ahead.
21 false. Goebbels diaries, Himmlers speeches, the accounts of the guards, the testimony of Eichmann, Boorman's letters, all show this is false.
22 true. You got one right.
23 true - so what?
24 true. And the answer to your question - the gassings stopped months before the allies arrived, and they cremated the bodies. so that is a stupid question. which you would know the answer to if you had done any reading on the matter.
25 - yes, so what? Nazis used them too. the orders for them and the letters about heir use are in the archives
26 army and Einsatzgrupppen were different units and under different command structures.
27 true but ask the Poles where three million of their people went
28 yes the locals joined in with gusto, but the Einsatzgruppen were happy to finish the job
29 no reason except their written reports detailing they did it. they were actually not army - they were an SS/police force outfit under Himmler's control
30 actually it has significance in some numerological off shoots fo jewish philosophy/science going back to pre mediaeval times. this is like saying that astrology or tarot cards has significance for western christians. also it is cherry picking headlines
Evan Morgan
The Italian front was irrelevant in comparison to the Eastern Front, resource wise and manpower wise.
The two fronts were opened ONLY IN 1944 and that same year Himmler CEASED the extermination process.
Your "common sense" is not common sense as you were just caught not understanding history.
Do note you refuse to provide any "numbers" but you're saying that Germany spent enormous amounts of resources on the extermination of Jews is coming straight out of your ass.
I didn't dodge it, frankly I just forgot to answer it as I had many more to answer from other people but here it is: several false or exaggerated testimonies do not disapprove the Holocaust or any event. No historian will tell you that the "holocauster" ever existed.
Noah Davis
Dylan Hall
Einsatzgruppen started suffering from PTSD.
"the nerves of the members of the shooting squads were subjected to tremendous strain"
(interrogation of Schulz of 9 March 1959, BArch B 162/5066, p. 114).
Erwin Cz. of the police reserve battalion 9, whose companies were assigned to the Einsatzgruppen up to December 1941, recalled:
"my comrades and I - and I can easily say all comrades - were physically and mentally totally done after such action" (interrogation of 23 January 1962, BArch B 162/3275, p. 196).
According to Albert Hartl, head of the RSHA office IV B on ideological enemies and "visitor" of Einsatzgruppe C, the group's head Max Thomas explained that people assigned to the shooting squads developed "the worst sadistic drives" or suffered from "hysterical crying" and "health breakdown" (interrogation of Hartl of 16 January 1957, BArch B 162/1254, p. 986).
Georg Bi. of the police reserve battalion 9 remembered a case when some "Sergeant Gan. got a nervous break down during the [two day lasting] execution" (interrogation of of 25 July 1965, BArch B 162/5654, p. 3547).
As the police battalion was withdrawn from Russia in December 1941, its new commander Arthur Se. noticed that "these people had experienced rough times" and that they "had to disable one man and sent them to an asylum after he made use of his duty pistol without any reason" (interrogation of Seidel of 12 December 1963, BArch, B 162/964, p. 1320).
Eli Nelson
Von dem Bach-Zelewski himself suffered under a "nervous state of exhaustion" related to the "shooting of Jews supervised by himself and other heavy experiences in the East" according to a contemporary document from the Reichsarzt SS Ernst-Robert Grawitz (letter Grawitz to Himmler of 4 March 1942, Figure 3, from Bartoszewski, Erich von dem Bach, p. 97).
Albert Hartl also mentioned sexual impotence:
"Thomas told me that a common appearance among the members of the shooting squads was temporarily sexual impotence."
It was quite possibly also Thomas who passed on this to a German SD deflector reporting to the Swiss in February 1944:
"Most men of the Einsatzkommandos were supposedly totally drunken, often up to 40% loss due to breakdown of the nerves. Achievement: brutal persons, who do not back off of any crime. Murder thugs lacking any discipline. Are all nuts as human-beings."
Juan Sanders
try actually reading those headline clippings instead of just the highlighted parts. They all mention in the millions as the population of jews there, not the number of jews who have been killed. You guys really are a complete farce when its apparent you have no idea what your own infographs say.
Austin Ramirez
I would have said what they said - sorry I was busy with the long post...
Angel Taylor
If they were willing to gas 6 million civillians including children, shooting them would be nothing more than a change of scenery for the guards doing it.
Okay, dig big holes in the ground, throw them in, gasoline, poof. So many ways of doing it efficiently without resorting to building gaschambers.
And again, if they were willing to murder 6 million one way, they were willing to do it another. You can't say shoving children into ovens is fine whilst shooting them means PTSD
Yes yes, I know you've got your folder ready, but at leat try to answer the question.
Joshua Martinez
Cooper Rogers
people are being paid to push this, remember that
Lincoln Martinez
What part of your question did I not answer?
Asher Butler
Give it a shot.
Kayden Martinez
Extermination by bullets was carried out in the Eastern Front.
The camps were a different game. The camps were for-profit operations intended to collect valuables from wealthy Western European Jews. This is why deniability was needed on several levels. It was needed for persuading people to willingly board the trains for "resettlement" in the Ukraine, and take their gold with them. Then on arrival in the camp the deception was employed to prevent an outright mutiny, as a transport of 2 thousand people could have easily overpowered the guards by sheer numbers.