Plan 315

>Plan 315
What the fuck is this? The only way for Germany to win is to defeat France before Russia can mobilize, why are they wasting time with this static defensive front nonsense? What happened to the Schlieffen plan?

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Nips have no idea what they're doing

WW1 might as well be a 90s video game for all they know

It's just a musou game to them.

It's designed as to make laymen who can't into history think it's some complicated and efficient plan.
Such a shitty strategy with main forces being shipped wouldn't work in reality, even if you had China or America's military budget. It's simply not viable in any way.

There's a reason why Japan lost WWII. They can't come up with strategies for shit.

Man I love how WW1 escalated.

>1924
Russia most likely has already mobilized. Doesn't the line prior to that one state that Germany is already being pushed back on all fronts? If an unmobilized Russia manages to push them back, that's when they should just drop their weapons, bend over and ask the Russians to be gentle. I'm assuming the Russians have already mobilized (otherwise, what the fuck were they doing in the previous decade?) so it's not a bad plan.

>What happened to the Schlieffen plan?
It probably failed, much like IRL.

This was the strategy the Central Powers employed in 1917-18 and it was fairly successful

>What happened to the Schlieffen plan?
It failed in two weeks cuz Russia attacked without mobilization.

>Highly mobile concentrated main force
What did that main force look like then, in a time before tanks were widely used and there are no witches?

They just stuck people on trains, didn't take that long to get from ie the Isonozo Valley to Flanders by train

Not that guy, but surely they couldn't guard the entirety of the train tracks. What would stop a couple of people from tampering with them and causing the train to derail/

The only place where they needed to guard the tracks in any way was Belgium. For example Belgian partisans blowing up the railway tracks were partially responsible for the failure of the Schlieffen plan.

It's not that they lacked some spectacular strategy. They couldn't employ any effective strategy that wasn't defend every island to the last man, after they lost the initiative at Midway.
Japs kicked British ass in the jungles of Burma and in the Philippines.
The American victory is more a testament to American ingenuity against a fanatic and clever foe.

>Clever

Their initial strategy was to gain as much ground as possible within the first year and pray that America would sign a cease fire rather than fight back after that point.

The Japs had their ass handed to them by the British in Burma after the British realised they weren't to be taken lightly after their primarily Indian and Australian force in Malaya and Singapore had been defeated. Just look at Imphal and Kohima, and also William Slim.

The Americans were the ones who got beat and subsequently Death Marched by the Japs in the Philippines.

Aren't they still hesitating at this point?

Terrorists in Germany did fuck around/block the trains later on.

And that's why we're all speaking Japanese right now.

And yet, japan has essentially been under US occupation since 1945.

It took years for Slim to reorganize the British and Imperial forces in CBI into an effective force. They didn't decisively defeat the Japanese in Burma until mid 44, and that was against a significantly inferior IJA force.

That's a mega-Germany that extends all the way into the Balkans. Without Austrohungarian mismanagement and instead direct rule from Berlin, Germany doesn't need to rely on cheap tricks like the Schlieffen Plan.

The emperor never said they surrendered, I see the propaganda is working well.

The "main force" is just a small group of flying magicians. You can argue about the viability of such a small group to tip the scales in each front like that, but shipping them around is totally viable.

>The emperor never said they surrendered

This begs to differ.

But still, it's just a waste of resources - the enemy has such magicians at their hands as well, and they're not under such a stupid strategy. These foreign mages can mow the floor with the standard troops and fuck outta there before the puny main force even has a chance to arrive.

>implying a treaty means surrendering

No it hasn't been.

But the Japanese never decisively won in Burma prior to the British offensives that destroyed the Japanese in the area. Aside from the imperial forces defeated at Hong Kong and Malaya, the Japanese past 1942 never again inflicted serious defeat on British-Imperial forces.
Also
>implying the Japanese forces in Malaya, Singapore and Hong Kong didn't have equipment and morale superiority over tired Leafs, Aussies, Brits, Pakis and Tyrones.

This shit is three clicks away, why even bother lying like this?

How can you be baited so hard by an obvious retard?

>It's not that they lacked some spectacular strategy. They couldn't employ any effective strategy that wasn't defend every island to the last man, after they lost the initiative at Midway.
Even then, Yamamoto already predicted that Japan would have at best 6-12 months before the Americans had rebuilt their fleet and would start pushing the Nips out of the Pacific. And that's assuming all aircraft carriers would be bombed into oblivion (if I'm not mistaken one aircraft carrier survived Pearl Harbor while two others were out of port at the time).

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They were gonna go full chemical and disease warfare if the war continued, California would have died off from operation cherry blossom.

When even random Anons on the internet can see the flaws in a military strategy, you know it's bad.

I actually really liked this anime, why the FUCK did they draw the eyebrows like that though christ.

So that people wont fap to her

Japs lost because they were fighting on all fronts. One of the first strategies in war are never spread your forces thin. They were fighting in China, Philippines, and on the Pacific.

Guess that plan didn't work either

Temporary air supremacy would allow the ground troops conduct large offensives and possibly defeat large part of enemy mages/airforce. The plan is not totally retarded.

They also didn't have to fight neutral Sweden.

>The American victory is more a testament to American ingenuity against a fanatic and clever foe.
>American victory
Please, before the burgers threw a couple of bombs the russians were already buttraping the japs so hard they lost almost all their mainland territory.
>American ingenuity
You mean german ingenuity.

The strength of airpower lies in its flexibility and capacity for rapid concentration; it follows that control must be centralized and air forces must be concentrated in use and not dispersed in penny packets.

Even if you fight in a single front, you're still completely fucked if you're up against an enemy you can't defeat. Japan should have never started a war with the US.

>When even random Anons on the internet can see the flaws in a military strategy, you know it's bad.
That's like saying "if even rednecks can see the flaws in the space program you know the moon landing was a hoax." Grade A retard logic.

>all these arm-chair military strategists
You're all a bunch of fucking retards. You think you're so smart, that if only YOU were the one leading Japan during these wars, things would have turned out differently? Because you know so much better than top strategists of the time?

Protip: you don't. Everyone in Japanese command knew that the USA would absolutely crush them in an extended war. The only hoped that they could cause enough damage in a surprise attack to force a partial peace. Even then, they knew it didn't have a high chance of working (hence why it historically didn't). Why did they purposely follow through with such a shitty plan? Because they didn't have a choice. The American oil embargo completely crippled the country. Their only available source was then southeast Asia, whose shipping lanes were protected due to the American territory of the Philippines. If they did nothing, the lack of oil would make their empire collapse. If they negotiated with the USA, their empire would have collapsed. If they attacked SE Asia, the USA would have kicked their shit in. If they preemptively attacked the USA, they could at least cause some damage, before they got their shit kicked in.

None of the decisions made in WW1/2 were dumb. They were all made taking into account far more information than your puny brains did. They also did this without the magical benefit of hindsight . But even with hindsight, arm-chair strategists still come up with the dumbest and most inaccurate analyses I've even seen. Hint: if you think Hitler would have won if only he did X, you're a retard. His fate was sealed as soon as the war began. The only way he would have "won" is if he had different goals and acted completely differently, in which case he would no longer be Hitler.

>American ingenuity against a fanatic and clever foe.
>This is what burgers actually believe

>the russians were already buttraping the japs so hard
Didn't Russia only formally declare war on Japan in 1945?

Yes, they only fought for about 3 weeks but took so much land from Japan, the japs realised how fucked they were. This was a major contribution to Japan surrendering.

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well they didn't fight Denmark either

I want to cuddle with Tanya.

> The only way for Germany to win is to defeat France before Russia can mobilize,

It's the other way though

>The "main force" is just a small group of flying magicians.
It's not though. This is from the first episode before they came up with the all mage battalion. The empire literally kept most of it's force in the center or just marching around to the different fronts. It's an amazingly stupid strategy.

Schlieffen plan was outdated and not even that good. They might have even done better if they had adopted a East first policy. Sea blockade was argueably the biggest issue.

Maybe using the fucking land they got to make more planes and ships would be a good start.

>what is russo-jap war
Thar started the downfall of the Russian Empire and the USSR was a cripple until the US supplied stalin with supplies to fight for them.

>user pretending he's even reached the lofty heights of an armchair historian
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interior_lines

>Thar started the downfall of the Russian Empire and the USSR was a cripple
Are you retarded? Go make up shit somewhere else.

>None of the decisions made in WW1/2 were dumb.
Bitch please, there were a shitton of dumb decisions made in ww2, a literal shitton. Not every adult is a genius tactician you know.

>military resources travel faster through the "safe area" behind your defensive lines
Wow user, this incredible tactic illumination truly explains how it's a valid strategy to run one batallion of mages across the entire length of Germany to every front and turn the tides at each theatre without the defensive lines getting overrun.

Oh, you mean like the idiotic decision to bumrush France (when that utterly failed in the previous war)? Oh wait, that one actually worked! It's great that we have the benefit of hindsight to see which strategies worked and which didn't and thus pass judgement on these people!

What do you mean the other way? The original plan was for Germany to attack France through Belgium, conquer it and then send the troops to fight Russia. They got fucked when Belgium holded the German advance and France stopped them at the Marne.

This, WW1 and 2 are basically an encyclopedia of dumb decisions.
Look at any of the common tactics employed in WW1 trench warfar, where lines of soldiers just got up and ran across no-man's land to be mowed down. Incredibly stupid, but understandable as a carry-over from musket warfare; the generals all had no idea how to evolve to trench warfare and were deeply seeped in military tradition.
Or Hitler's famous "wow the Western Front is really giving us a hard fight, let's just invade Russia in the winter at the same time".

Welp, I tried. I admit I should had just called you a faggot instead of referring you to the infamous strategy that turned Prussia into a great power against overwhelming numbers and odds.

>This one tactic worked therefor there were no dumb decisions made during a timespan of 9 years.
Nigga, you dumb.

None of the things you stated actually happened. Those are pop fiction myths to make idiots feel smarter. You have shown your opinion on this subject should be completely disregarded due to incompetence.

Wasn't there a throw away line about how Tanya put in a paper to revolutionize the railway system?

Are you implying the US never supplied anyone during the wars? such good people.

Not an argument.

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That wasn't what plan 315 was though.
>keep a minimum amount of soldiers on each of your 3 fronts.
>keep your best soldiers sitting in the middle.
>rush to reinforce whatever front looks like it's about to collapse.
>hope the enemy isn't smart enough to launch 2 attacks simultaneously or you lose.

I fucking love this board holy shit, I love you all silly gooses

I'm curious now, what are these "dumb decisions" that you would have done differently if you were put in the same situation with the same available intel? Using your future knowledge to know how everything turns out would be cheating, as that has nothing to do with intelligence.

>if you were put in the same situation with the same available intel
Read a book. Dumbfuck higherups would routinely completely ignore intel given to them. The Russians did this in the first months of ww1 and lost hundres of miles of terrain.

The US instigated it though, but Japs sperged like an autistic child.

It was a shitty war plan which didn't account the reality.

Attacking Belgium means UK joins the war. Machine guns provided the defensive side with a massive advantage.

Sure the details are different but the essence is the same. It's a decent enough plan given that the defensive had the advantage over the offensive. They were in a defensive stance and having a strategic reserve is better than sending all your men to the front, which would leave you unresponsive to events.

The UK would have joined later anyway to maintain the balance of power in Europe. Do you even know why Belgium exists?

>The only way he would have "won" is if he had different goals and acted completely differently, in which case he would no longer be Hitler.
As the war went on I feel like he ceased to be the same Hitler anyways. He deteriorated, especially during Stalingrad. Why didn't he allow the 6th army to attempt a breakthrough?
And the assassination attempt by his generals broke him completely.

Except the Germans didn't think the UK would give a shit about Belgium's neutrality. I read somewhere that they called the declaration "a scrap of paper".

There was no large support within the UK to join the war before Germany invaded Belgium.

Ending the war in the East against Russia and defending a status quo against France would have fulfilled all German war goals.

>tfw season 2 will be joining with the jews and mowing down the WE WUZ

Neither did the USA show interest in the early war. It doesn't matter what the public says, it's all about realpolitik. If the UK felt Germany would have made significant gains (e.g., capitulating Russia) they would have joined in. They already had treaties with France and Russia before the war so you can't pretend they were neutral here. Belgium wasn't some magical trigger point, it was simply a means to an end. The reason Britian guaranteed its independence in the first place was to prevent a quick capitulation of France by Germany.

>This
All Britain was about was the balance of power in Europe, they would not have wanted a European superpower to emerge (like Napoleon a hundred years prior)

>The reason Britian guaranteed its independence in the first place was to prevent a quick capitulation of France by Germany.
What? Belgium's entire existence was to serve as a buffer state against France. You've got things the wrong way around.

>17
Nips never produced that much tho.

>The reason Britian guaranteed its independence in the first place was to prevent a quick capitulation of France by Germany.
All wrong, Belgium is a buffer state the British set up in order to defuse tensions between Prussia/German states and France. Also as a foothold in Europe in case things do go south. The participation of the UK in the war was going to be a thing either way because it was British policy to not just remain the prime European power but, in her interest, keep the balance of power as is. France wasn't important to the British because they were buddies but because they were the counterweight to Germany. Germany knew this and realized that the invasion Belgium is the best option because with or without it, the British would have joined.

>a country that was willing to fight all the way down to the last man and used kamikaze pilots
>not fanatic

Thanks for letting us put bases in your country yuropoor.

Belgium exists to protect France and Germany from each other. It's a way for the Eternal Anglo to never stop meddling in European business.

Your reminder that America literally and unironically protected and let the emperor of Japan stay in place despite him and his close male relatives committing war crimes.

>Or Hitler's famous "wow the Western Front is really giving us a hard fight, let's just invade Russia in the winter at the same time

Hitler invaded Russia in JUNE faggot. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and just go off of shit you hear on TV.

Not this guy, but he still fucked up by conquering Kiev before attacking Moscow. It bought the Russians just enough time for winter to come.

He had a whole 1942 and still didn't managed.
He had a whole 1943 and still didn't managed.
He had a whole 1944... oops,only a spring.

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Nigga it didn't matter what he went for. You really think heading straight to Moscow ala Napoleon was going to win the war?

No, the real answer is that he was fucked from the start. The end of the war was already decided from the circumstances and alliances in the beginning of it.

>Or Hitler's famous "wow the Western Front is really giving us a hard fight, let's just invade Russia in the winter at the same time".
This gets points for being a good paradox.
So Hitler starts the invasion in the ideal months of early summer: Roads are in best shape, rivers cooperate, weather is good, etc.
I mean, even wikipedia points it out
>The postponement of Barbarossa from the initially planned date of 15 May to the actual invasion date of 22 June 1941 (a 38-day delay) occurred for a number of reasons. Most importantly, an unusually wet winter kept rivers at full flood until late spring.
The first 3 months of the invasion was amazing.
Then a combination of Slavic revolt, STALIN, Soviet War Production, Land Lease, Fall and Winter and Spring, poor long term plans, WINTER, failures of mechanical logistics, poor invasion priorities lead to a slow defeat of a encircled Germany.

And regardless of priority: The truth of the matter is that Russia is so big, that Hitler could not have gotten all major settlements in one season.
The attempt was not doomed, but a set of poor long term choices and poor understanding did doom it was August 1941 was over.

War Thread? War Thread.
I want a CGDCT war anime, they can change the other races to orcs or something while the girls go around episodically killing off troops and tribes.

Groundless anime when?

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