Why is he dating crab again?

So, after Hitagi's arc he proceeds to exchange something like marriage vows to Shinobu...
So can someone explain me why he is dating crab??

Worst girls need love too.

everybody is gonna die of old age except Shinobu and him

So you can legimitately call crab a cuck.

Because she claimed him. declaring "you are my boyfriend now" was all it took. If Cat said it, Bat Boy would have gone along with it as well.

Soul bond with bat, fucking/bantz bond with crab.

Araragi would be living the life if he could just stop getting the living shit beaten out of him by oddities.

Has it ever actually been established that Araragi will have any kind of extended lifespan? Only time I can remember it mentioned is when Shinobu muses that something like that MAY happen considering he kept a little bit of his regeneration, but even then, feels like she was mostly just trying to freak him out with the possibility so he'd kill her.

Besides, he seems to have aged normally up to hana.

Not really, he still looks the same, the only difference is the hair...

I don't know, something about him feels older, whether he's taller, has a longer face, or something like that, I don't think it's just the hair.

Because he needs her to prevent other girls from going after him. Crab is his living shield to discourage them. In musubi, he felt bad dragging and wasting her precious years so he thought about marrying crab. She knows it too but she does not mind as long as she gets to be with him.

He officially lost 100% of his powers by the end of Owari

> He officially lost 100% of his powers by the end of Owari

Didn't he renew the contract with Shinobu at the end? That means he's back to his quasi-vampire status same as before right?

When they got paired again, he regained his vampire powers. They actually got more powerful than they were when they first got paired. That is because, bat became more powerful that she was because of all the oddities she consumed (including her other self in route x) and the blood she had been drinking form rrrgi. She had never been able to consume so much blood in her entire vampire life. He is literally a bottomless portable food for her without restriction and anyone needing to die.

> (including her other self in route x)

Not that user, but wouldn't this energy have been used up when they shifted back to their original timeline?

This is what happens when you watch monogatari without having enough braincells.

The scene in the OP is literally the moment when they renew their 'contract' going back to their og status as master and servant

He's got either immortality or a huge lifespan, I don't remember the quote but shinobu and him were talking in one of the fucking things about how when all his friends and his sisters die, they'll be the only ones left etc.

> about how when all his friends and his sisters die, they'll be the only ones left etc.

That was the scene I was talking about, and in that one, Shinobu is only musing about whether that could be the case, neither of them actually know that.

She's basically just guessing by the fact that he's kept some of the regeneration ability, but again, she never confirms it, and through the tone of the conversation it seems like she's focusing on that possibility to freak him out so he'll kill her.

Anyone with brain cells would notice that the guys question was rhetorical.

Fucking crabfag

Because he didn't solve the math fairy riddle and got a happy life instead of being a suicidal loner.

What??? So what was that thing they would both kill themselves if the other died? That's more than restoring their bond

Not that user, but the post he replied to wasn't even a question, nor was it rhetorical, it was literally just a false statement.

Because Nisio made her his girlfriend in the beginning of LN? Nisio is just troll

Go read Kizu you idiot, it's a re-iteration of what Araragi says to her at the end, just in a different context.

He keeps Gahara and Shinobu around so that he can hang out with other girls all day without actually taking on their shitty baggage because he can just deflect by brining up that he's with them instead. Didn't work too well in Nadeko's case admittedly but it's not Araragi's fault that she was secretly batshit insane.

Why are you angry? I read kizu over and over again, and i im pretty sure he values bat more than crab. By the way, you seem to have read kizu too, so you must know that turning someone into a vampire is like marriage. Get over it.

How is that false statement?

> He officially lost 100% of his powers by the end of Owari

Is a false statement, since they renew their bond at the end of owari and araragi becomes half vamp again.

Oh you meant that

She consumed an energy in herself in her prime. That is huge amount. I doubt that she used it all up to open just one portal. You cold see the difference in power of route X and route A bat just by looking at how bat was able to resist the sun in owari. She was more or less like the first minion in shinobu mail who can completely withstand the sun. Before, bat was saying that the sun is her natural enemy, that is why bat in route x was badly burned when she tried to kill herself using the sun. bat literally became a day walker in owari. rrrgi being dense as he is was just like, "oh well, she is walking in broad daylight.". Withstanding the sun is a characteristic rather than a skill as he is trying to imply here.
>That said, the King of Oddities here seemed to be doing just fine yesterday morning at Kita-Shirahebi Shrine, so it would seem the true form of a rare, legendary, super strong species of vampire—the iron-blooded, hot-blooded, and cold-blooded vampire—can actually withstand quite a bit of sunlight if she strengthens her defenses enough.

Is that legit?

She probably is able to resist the sun even before that. She was worshiped by the people as a god so It is weird if they don't get to see her during daytime 400 years ago.

Stop being retarded user. Shinobu did NOT become stronger than she was in her prime. She was always able to walk in the day if she wanted to. And that any "weakness" normal vampires had were not a weakness for her. This is not something new. When she burned herself to death in route X she just didn't raise her defenses, because she wanted to die.

Also the first minion can't withstand the sun, he was just so underpowered that like Araragi and Shinobu (in their underpowered state) he could walk in the sun, that is why he was a shota.

There are lots of things that are unclear during that time. It is possible that she shows herself late in the afternoon, evening and early dawn but hides herself from the heat of the sun in midday. I don't think that resisting the sun is something that you can control, at least for traditional vampires. IIRC, only half-vampires should be able to withstand the full heat of the sun.

>she's focusing on that possibility to freak him out so he'll kill her
Not really, she's trying to confirm that he didn't bullshit her when he vowed to die with her before. The whole dialogue is her trying to understand what he feels about her. By mentioning that he'll outlive everyone, she wanted to make sure he's okay with it, that he really meant it. And it seems he did judging by Kabuki.

Resisting the sun is passive. It is not something that they could freely control/tweak at will.
>he was just so underpowered that like Araragi and Shinobu (in their underpowered state) he could walk in the sun, that is why he was a shota.
It is more likely that he is so powerful that he could withstand the sun. If he is under powered just like them, the specialist would have left him alone and add him in the none harmful list.

can Araragi give vampire powers to others? What he he does it for Hitagi so they could live forever together?

I don't think gahara wants anything to do with oddities anymore. She dealt with her crab and was content to opt out of future involvement with any more.

>So can someone explain me why he is dating crab??
Aside from Bake, just to keep Crabfags around I guess? I mean they practically have no real romantic development post-Bake. Like all romance scenes Araragi has, where he actually develops his understanding of such a relationship, are with Shinobu. In Nise they made up, in Kabuki he talked to her about her importance to him, in Owari he dueled Seishirou in order to prove himself worthy of her, and then there's OP scene. There's also jealousy, a kiss scene, etc. All the interesting Hitagi scenes, except for one where she tells Ragi that it's the right thing to prove yourself worthy of love, are with other characters and have pretty much no relation to their relationship. She works better standalone. Not to mention that Ragi doesn't really develop that much from his interactions with her. Another problem is that the series is badly directed after it though and you don't get the right tone of characters' relationships post-Bake. Except for Kizumonogatari, which did alright, thanks to Oishi.

It's mostly nonsense. He wants to marry Hitagi because he loves her. The whole wasting her years is not true, well it's mentioned by Sodachi, but he doesn't reflect on it, so I doubt he sees it that way. And Shinobu definitely doesn't see Crab has a living shield to stop other girls, it's pretty clear that Shinobu is still not a big fan of Crab in Musubi.

And no I'm not a crabfag, I'm 100% bat, and I don't even like crab. And hate the fact that Koyomi is still chasing after Hitagi in Musubi. Even though he still mentions his vow, the whole "if you die tomorrow so will I" thing, and says it's his number one priority clause.

I doubt Shinobu would be fine with that. Koyomi would not be fine with turning her into a vampire either, he doesn't consider it a blessing. And Senjougahara wanted nothing to do with the world of oddities, so there is no way she'd want to get turned into one.

>Resisting the sun is passive. It is not something that they could freely control/tweak at will.
You truly are retarded aren't you?
To quote yourself:
>That said, the King of Oddities here seemed to be doing just fine yesterday morning at Kita-Shirahebi Shrine, so it would seem the true form of a rare, legendary, super strong species of vampire—the iron-blooded, hot-blooded, and cold-blooded vampire—can actually withstand quite a bit of sunlight if she strengthens her defenses enough.
>can actually withstand quite a bit of sunlight if she strengthens her defenses enough.
>if she strengthens her defenses enough.
>if.

> If he is under powered just like them, the specialist would have left him alone and add him in the none harmful list.
He was not going to stay weak forever. Gaen explicitly states that she wanted to destroy him before he ate a human and becomes practically unkillable.

that's hot

>if she strengthens her defenses enough.
rrrgi was the one who said that. You are not supposed to believe everything that he says.
>He was not going to stay weak forever.
He is already strong. That ass pull talisman that got him defeated is an insult to Gaen and all the specialist. They should have known that it was enough to defeat him. If Gaen had a bunch of those talisman placed on the shrine, the first minion would have been obliterated long before.

Ye, he said he loves Crab but never said why. All he said was: "There is nothing that I dislike about you"

>rrrgi was the one who said that. You are not supposed to believe everything that he says.
But when it's reinforced by Shinobu's earlier arguments (weaknesses not being a weakness) there is no reason to doubt it. There is absolutely 0 reason to think she got stronger.
> He is already strong.
Compared to what? some shitty low level oddity? sure. Shinobu at her inferior underpowered, shadow of her former self, is still stronger then most oddities that were in monogatari (cat, monkey, that amalgamation of oddities)

> That ass pull talisman that got him defeated is an insult to Gaen and all the specialist. They should have known that it was enough to defeat him. If Gaen had a bunch of those talisman placed on the shrine, the first minion would have been obliterated long before.
*If* Gaen had know about him before hand, she could have prevented him reviving altogether, but she didn't know. Besides, Gaen and Episode *could* have exterminated him, but they didn't, out of courtesy perhaps (to both Shinobu\Seishiro and even Koyomi). But Gaen states that Koyomi could abandon the duel if he wanted to, and she would be fine with that, the end result would be the same, because Gaen and Episode would have exterminated him.

Pretty much this

She literally goads him to kill her after talking about his family dying though, she basically says "The thought of it makes you sick to your stomach right? So why don't you kill me?"

As it is, she's still just speculating on the lifespan thing, and never talks about it as anything other than just a possibility.

The amount of times his immortality is mentioned doesn't really leave it open for interpretation. Not just by himself, but also by others like Ononoki and Gaen.

>"There is nothing that I dislike about you"
He said that he does not know why he loves her and justified not knowing why by saying "I don't need reason or logic.". He said, I love everything about her, there is nothing that I don't like except her personality. Somebody really needs to smack him in the face to straighten him out. Ougi tried but miserably failed.

Ougi was succeeding in just about everything she set out to do except for meddling in the talk with Math Fairy and convincing RRagi not to go along with Gaen's plan. She only failed the first one because Hanekawa cheated with her big fat cat tats, and the second one because Gaen is an omnipotent big sister.

This is one of the reasons I really don't like rrrg as a character. None of the three acknowledge that there's a huge problem with these relationships and go to great pains to maintain the status quo. It just hurts to watch, but I'm guessing this is something that can be used as the main point of conflict in the next novels, since it's about the only thread that's unresolved after owari2.

Is it ever actually stated, that Araragi has a longer lifespan outside of characters just speculating?

The only instance I can think of it happening would be during the Nadeko shit when Araragi's power kept growing because he was using it too much, and could have become a full vamp again if he didn't stop, but that's in the case where he DOES become full vamp, not a half one, and yeah, it wasn't a problem before that, or after the incident is over in Owari.

This is one of the reasons I really don't like rrrg as a character. None of the three acknowledge that there's a huge problem with these relationships and go to great pains to maintain the status quo. It just hurts to watch, but I'm guessing this is something that can be used as the main point of conflict in the next novels, since it's about the only thread that's unresolved after owari2.

Well like I said before, there are quite a few mentions about him being immortal, and none of them come across as speculation, except for the one in Nise. I honestly kinda feels more like they confirmed that his body *is* in fact still immortal after his shenanigans in Nise (fighting Kagenui).

E.g. one with Ononoki;
> "I'm saying the way we died is different. In your case, you're immortal. You became immortal the moment you died. Strictly speaking, you did not die."
> Immortal.
> Undying.
> Therefore I do not die.
> "In other words, as for you and that vampire, you didn't revive after death, it's more accurate to say that you have kept on living without dying."

> "I'm saying the way we died is different. In your case, you're immortal. You became immortal the moment you died. Strictly speaking, you did not die."

Isn't that in reference to him becoming a vamp in the first place? Not his current condition?

Ougi also, implicitly said that he should dump bat and keep crab. He did not listen and kept both. She wants him to stay out of the world of oddities and go back to the world of humanity. He did not listen to her at all. He just went off and say that they are both right so it is OK for him to continue doing whatever he wants.

Well, she isn't speaking in past tense, when shes says hes immortal.
But besides, him not being mortal doesn't really make much sense to begin with, because Shinobu would not let him die ;P, they'll die when they both want to, not any sooner.

> because Shinobu would not let him die

Well I mean, she already failed to do that in Owari 2.

Well, sure, he can be killed, but I mean, he wont die from something like old age, or any injuries that aren't instantly fatal. And Owari 2 is still questionable as to whether or not Shinobu could have brought him back by turning him into a full vampire. Obviously becoming a full vampire isn't what Koyomi wants so she gave Gaen a chance to fix it. (gotta keep in mind that almost no time passed in the real world).

I can't remember when but he basically said that he intends to live his human life with crab, then get with Shinobu for ever after. He simply wants to live a normal life once.

She said that? I don't remember that.
All i remember is she telling him to open his eyes when his actions speak more than his words. Ononoki said the same

> he wont die from something like old age

I think he would, honestly, I mean, if the situation remains the same and Shinobu is with him till he's going to die from old age, I think he wouldn't want her to turn him back into a full vampire, it's just not what he wants, and it's clear even in Kizu that whenever he dies is going to be when he dies rightfully, full stop. I don't think he'd want to be immortal and definitely wouldn't want to have to kill people to survive.

I don't know if Shinobu would follow through with that, but again, in the situation where he IS dying from old age and Shinobu is still there, I think even she wouldn't want to prolong his life if it was a natural death like that, she's already known the pain of living past the point where she wanted to, I doubt she'd drag Araragi in after that point.

> She only failed the first one because Hanekawa cheated with her big fat cat tats
Araragi was going to head over there, either with Ougi or with Hanekawa. Hanekawa "figured" out the solution that Araragi already knew but was running away from (Sodachi too, she outright starts begging Araragi to not reveal everything at one point). I think Ougi would've "lost" here regardless, though if Ougi went instead of Hanekawa it would've been a lot less civil and Ougi probably would've torn Sodachi apart too.

It doesn't really matter what interpretation we go by, because I doubt the books (let alone the anime) will ever reach the point at which Koyomi will die. Mainly because we know that if he does die, he will just go to hell again and continue to spend his eternity with Shinobu. Heh.

Ougi would've very easily achieved her goal if she went with Araragi. What her goal was, and if it would've actually helped Sodachi I'm not 100% sure on, but she would've gotten what she wanted out of the interaction without Hanekawa's intrusion.

>Except for Kizumonogatari, which did alright, thanks to Oishi.
Kizu was horribly directed. You guys outright tell people to go read the LN to understand any of the characterization in it even.

Although it cut a fare few things out (this is the case in every part of the series though), Owari Season 2 was probably the best directed part of the series.

You are being extremely wrong if you think the movies were horribly directed just because they didn't follow the LN 100%. Direction is not only focusing on the source...

It doesn't have to follow the LN 100%, none of the series really does even. Like I said though, you guys are the ones who keep telling people that they have to read the LN to understand how the three main characters in this thing act and think, do you not see the problem with that?

That was a test. She was getting ready to make a big commitment to Araragi and wanted to make sure he wasn't going to bitch out if things got rough.

What? Don't get me wrong user, i was only replying when he said the Movie's direction was horrible when it clearly wasn't just because it didnt follow the story 100%. You're misinterpreting things..

> It was a test.

She seemed pretty serious about him killing her.

As it is, even if she was testing him to make sure he was serious about this commitment no matter what, she was still just using the possibility of an extended lifespan to scare him, and didn't confirm it to be the case either way, it's clear in the scene that she's really just making guesses as to what's going to happen.

Guys lets just keep this undetermined, because nothing in the series proved otherwise in both sides. Except Shinobu is now stronger than before thus making Araragi stronger

Shinobu was fine with either answer.

Estimation is a better word. Someone with crazy regeneration constantly keeping them in peak physical condition which can heal them from being cut in two, or having their heart ripped out being restricted to a normal human lifespan is unlikely. The best argument you have is that people can't be 100% sure.

Regeneration =/= immortality, Shinobu even states that his durability has totally gone back to human levels, so its clear that whatever he kept as a vampire is pretty much separate from everything else.

When did she say that?

cuz shinobu is not real

During Tsuki, when he's developing his own vampiric traits instead of inheriting Shinobu's. Then that gets completely cured by his trip to the afterlife and Shinobu redoing their pact.

Come on. At least know the plot before you argue about it.

when they were fucking

Wait Shinobu and Araragi fuck?

Wouldn't you fuck her?

No. Don't believe strangers.
There is a lot of precedent for blood sucking as a metaphor for sex and they at least see it as an intimate act between them, but I don't think this is what you're going for.

Yes. And Hitagi enjoys watching.

they probably do the bloodsucking and fucking at the same time