Show about ninjas

>show about ninjas
>almost devoid of any stealth
>MC wearing bright orange clothing

>theme of working hard to achieve excellence
>retarded powers from birth always beats hard work, e.g. gay ninja eye magic, demon fox spirit
>only character who actually worked hard is comic relief who did almost nothing for the plot except 1 good fight against Gaara

In Boruto, sasugay uses exclusively his retarded eye magic. Is this show even about ninjas anymore?

Original naruto was actually a decent show. Edgelord Sasugay and shippuden as a whole killed the entire story

In the end Kishi got the magic series he always wanted. Don’t let the NINJA! theme fool you

They're not ninjas, they're forest wizards descended from aliens.

It's always been Ninja harry potter.

I was fine with that until it turned into a knockoff Mecha.

Kishi wanted to do a manga about wizards but he was forced to change it into ninjas. It shows

Who was the strongest shinobi without any special snowflake powers?

probably kakashi

Real ninjas are just weak as fuck. Anime ninjas are better.

Though, lineage is a large part of this series, so can you call inherited shinobi prowess "special snowflake powers"???

>devoid of stealth

speedwatcher

Might guy, the best guy

Too bad kishi ruined him by a flashback.

user, this isn't 2010 anymore. Naruto's been over for YEARS now. It's done.

You don't have to do this anymore. It's fine.

Might Guy could've killed Rinnegan Sage Madara. Stop being pleb

>edgelord sasugay [..] killed the entire story
From the beginning, Sasuke was the only good part about the show. Naruto is an unlikable MC. He is stupid, weak, gets diarrhea, a dumb loud mouth. I can get behind the idea of the underdog coming out on top at the end through hard work, but with Naruto it just doesn't work because he's a bratty little shit. it's no surprise nobody likes him. Later in Shippuuden, they ret-con him to have been this really kind and caring child, but that was never the case in the first 200 episodes.
Sasuke was the most ninja-like, desu. At some point he goes full edge-mode and only spams his sharingan, but until then he was the ONLY good part about the show. Even Kakashi sucks.

they have anbu

Mighty guy; nigga was so below average, he couldn't even use ninja magic

>From the beginning, Sasuke was the only good part about the show

>watching filler

I remember he made a mafia manga, and it sucked ass

The funny thing about the ANBU is that every ninja should be an ANBU

Depends on what you mean by snowflake powers. Guy on 8 gates is probably the strongest, anyone could achieve 8 gates. If you're measuring base form with no powerups or rare powers, Minato, Jiraya, or Kakashi's dad (apparently) were very strong already without any bullshit

I forgot to mention that. The pseudo mech stuff was so cringey

>theme of working hard to achieve excellence
>retarded powers from birth always beats hard work, e.g. gay ninja eye magic, demon fox spirit
>only character who actually worked hard is comic relief who did almost nothing for the plot except 1 good fight against Gaara
Pretty sure thats intentional to red pill nerdy japanese kids. Talent is real and you cant become everything you want.

>a show about ninjas
>only a small group of special soldiers ever actually acted like ninjas

I think japanese kids don't need that kind of message, considering they're already withdrawing from society and abandoning hard work altogether...

because they watched naruto

what illness did that bone guy have and did come from his kekkai genkai or was it something separate?

Kakashi was shit tier and ridiculously dependent on his sharingan, even his signature technique was only possible through the sharingan, and of course the mangekyo meme technique he learned was the only thing that let him keep up with enemies post-timeskip. He's pretty fucking pathetic, which makes it all the funnier that he was supposed to be a genius ninja.

Hardwork works but you won't beat the guy with talent and both of them won't beat the guy who has talents and works hard

It's not even about talent though, it's literally about genes and being gifted hax.
Even the fucking "geniuses" in the show got bullied because they were nothing next to those who won the gene lottery.

I don't think Japanese people know what "cool" is so they just make stuff bigger and bigger, hence why the pseudo-mecha stuff.

>Ninja Gaiden Black is praised as the beat Ninja game
>not a lick of stealth in that game

I think the rationale was that even though his thing is using his sharingan to copy moves; he's got to be a real good ninja to actually be able to pull off the moves that he copies.
Like the eye magic lets him understand how they work but he can only do them properly through being a genius ninja or whatever.

it would be cool to have an actual ninja show with maybe a tiny bit of pseudo-thaumaturgical powers (cantrip-tier, like sound throwing or light flashes for distraction, on the high-end maybe remote ignition of flammable objects)

Naruto isn't about Ninjas.
It's about Wizards. Mages. Whatever you wanna call them. They have some mild ninja-theming, but it's basically just straight up magic battles.

I find it ironic that the anime filler of all things often brings back some of the more standard elements like shurikens and the exploding kunai shit.

Kek, uchijews always trash talking others but when they get btfoed they start screeching muh 6 gorillions muh genocide muh rotten society muh oppresion

The sad thing is that the combat system in Naruto is actually pretty cool once you accept it to be Harry Potter tier wizardry. Certainly better than the generic shit you have in Fairy Tail.

Of course, that doesn't stop it from being ruined by asspulls. The show didn't go to complete shit until the "world war" arc though, I still don't know what the fuck the author was thinking. Literally asspull ville, characters doubled and redoubled their strength throughout what was supposedly a timespan of a few days? It was just so fucking bizarre to watch. In the end he just gave up and turned Naruto and Sasuke into supersaiyans through (literally) a ghost from the afterlife. And what the fuck was up with Obito's powers being so brokenly overpowered? Really, they made all that Rinnegan bullshit look like nothing in comparison. Who cares about bringing down meteorites and absorbing chakra when you can be literally phased out of reality and can space-time warp someone's fucking head off.

Omae wa mo shindeiru.

tobirama was right about the uchiha...
Should've kicked them out when he had the chance.

nani

>The show didn't go to complete shit until the "world war" arc though, I still don't know what the fuck the author was thinking. Literally asspull ville

He wasn't. By all means, he was ready to end the series after the Pain arc, maybe the 5-kages meeting. At that point, Naruto was at the fucking height of its popularity. You really think Shueisha is gonna let that shit go?

Might Guy, he wrecked Madara even with his snowflake powers.

Minato, Jiraiya, Guy, Kakashi, Zaubuza, Tobirama and probably Lee.

Tobirama

It's funny, because later it was mentioned that Sasuke would get rekt if Orochimaru wasn't a dying cripple with sealed hands.
Then he needed a major asspull not to die against Deidara despite hard-countering him, got rekt by dying Itachi, got double rekt by B, got rekt by kage, lost his eyesight after fight against Danzo and would rot in Konoha jail if Obito didn't save his sorry ass and give him Itachi's eyes for fuck knows what reason.
And even with EMS he needed Itachi's bullshit to deal with Kabuto, was eclipsed by Naruto during war, got utterly destroyed by Madara and needed a free Rinnegan, 8 bijuu and a half of Kurama to match Naruto and the other half of the fox.

>The sad thing is that the combat system in Naruto is actually pretty cool once you accept it to be Harry Potter tier wizardry. Certainly better than the generic shit you have in Fairy Tail.

I would agree with that. The original series had a combat system that was pretty reasonable and had a set of rules that made sense. Then Kishi decided to give his fuccboi uchihas a billion different bullshit eyemagic abilities like the black fire, the giant mech, etc.

The war arc was bad not only because of the asspulls, but also because it expanded the scale of the plot so wide that its difficult to give a shit anymore. there were so many new characters from the other villages, but why should anyone care about them? Making the bad guys threaten the entire world will not make me give any more of a shit.

Nah, he could, he just chose not to. Lee was the one who was unable to, but Gai was perfectly able to, he was just so good as a taijustu specialist that he never bothered.

Sasuke acted like a spoiled, entitled brat the entire story. We have the classic scene of him whining to Kakashi about how "he had it so baaaad and nobody knows how he feels" before being immediately shut down. Regardless of how much of a turbocunt he was, he was still kishi's fav character and thus had plot armor to asspull him out of any corner he backs himself into.

B manhandling sasuke was cathartic.

The better parts of the filler were unironically better than 90% of the rest of the anime/manga.

Sasuke was great up until they got to Orochimaru's compound in part two.

What actually killed the show was Naruto being the chosen one.

And the most hilarious thing is the fact that Kishimoto was so absorbed with his asspull spree, he forgot to give Madara his due MS powers.

There's a series called Basilisk: Kouga Ninpouchou that's sort of like that that scales back the powers some (the strongest thing in the setting is an eye power that only like 2 people have). A lot of the more impressive powers require some kind of body modification and a lot of the wins are decided by trickery or stealth, rather than straight-up fights. The aforementioned eye power turns your own attacks back on you and it doesn't come into play for most of the story.

It really should've ended with Naruto and Sasuke having a final battle after Pain and the Sage of Six Paths shit should've never been expanded on.

>stealth
>superhumans
Pick one user

Also Byakugan lmaos at the concept of stealth.

They still needed to tie up Obito, but other than that, yeah.

No that would be a boring ending since Sage Mode is an asspull. Also shonen would chimp out from the lack of profits.

>The better parts of the filler were unironically better than 90% of the rest of the anime/manga.

Kurosuki Family Removal Mission was one of the worst things I've ever sat through. I had to look it up, but it's the filler arc where naruto and friends ate some curry and then went to save some shit village from a cult.

Not trying to say shippuden didn't suck, but the fillers were completely garbage.

Would've probably given Kakashi a fight with him. As much as I liked Danzo, cut his stuff short or send Kakashi to the Kage summit with him. Sasuke kills Danzo and when Obito shows up have Kakashi fight him. End it with Kakashi sacrificing his eye to cancel out Obito's bullshit and land a killing blow on him.

Sage Mode should've been foreshadowed more, even though Jiraiya used it against Pain. Having it come up in part 1 would've been nice. Sage Mode was a nice powerup for Naruto because it removed his reliance on the Kyuubi and could be seen as an inheritance from his teacher. In the end, he would've won with something he earned for himself and it would've shown that the fox wasn't all he was.

But Naruto did win with his own power since Naruto is Ashura meaning that god mode he has is actually his power and he doesnt need that jobber Kurama anymore.

>since Naruto is Ashura
That should've never been a thing either. The chosen one bullshit was just that. Bullshit. So6P should've just stayed an urban legend and the reincarnation should've never come up.

There is no chosen one retard, Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura its his power. Also it makes sense for demigods like Ashura and Indra to never die simply to reincarnate infinitely.

Superhuman abilities can open up new approaches to stealth. genjutsu for instance would have many obvious applications in misdirection and information extraction.

Shadow possession too would have many applications, and same with the mind control ino stuff.

Byakugan can let you see thru walls, so it would be almost like using hax mode if you're sneaking around trying to avoid guard patrols

Even Tenten could've been a master of using traps and lures

You just have to be creative about it.

>There is no chosen one retard, Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura its his power. Also it makes sense for demigods like Ashura and Indra to never die simply to reincarnate infinitely.

Jiraiya and the Toads referred to naruto as the chosen one more than enough times

>stealth
>just turn the landscape into a crater to lol at any stealth

The chosen one thing was thrown away user.

>sasugay
Whats the joke here? Besides buttmad Naruto fans.

Lmfao the series is called naruto for a reason retard

I don't particularly care for naruto either, but I think it's safe to say most people dislike sasuke. Also the joke is that he's gay for naruto.

right, and that's why shippuden sucks. my point was that the original series was pretty good and should have explored elements of stealth with their non-godpower abilities

Then it's not his. He got lucky that he was the reincarnation of someone strong. Reincarnation wasn't a thing in Naruto until then.

Don't forget that Danzo would have destroyed his ass multiple times if it wasn't for Karin and Tobi being around and helping

Deidara could have killed Kaguya, Madara, the tentails, Obito and the whole Maincast with his c4

Most people here don't care for either ad they were pretty gay for each other. The funny part is that after the ending Naruto seems fine minding after his bussines while Sasuke still acts like an autistic edgy teenager.

>SM Naruto didn't get to Rasengan the shit out of MS Sasuke
It'd have been even better than the Bee beatdown.

I'm still mad how the strongest akatsuki member lost to one of the weakest jonin

Being a reincarnation of a god-child is pretty much chosen one status if by another name. It meant he was always destined to be that bullshit strong. He didn't have to work for dick.

One of the early themes was that you could get anywhere through hard work. Just because your name is the name of the series doesn't mean you should throw that theme out the window.

>One of the early themes was that you could get anywhere through hard work

And Naruto worked to learn and gain/control the power he has. Did he have to run on his hands like Lee for the theme to be more obvious?

>One of the early themes was that you could get anywhere through hard work
No it wasn't, you fucking brainlet. It was theme of Rock Lee's character arc and it never paid off for him.

I am on episode 11 of the original series, I like Zabuza he is really cool I like his big sword and when he was a water clone to trick Kakashi who was a water clone to trick Zabuza. Very tricksy stuff.

>normal tears instead of blood

Sad!

>theme of working hard
I wish that manga and anime would, once in a while, favor themes of working smarter, not harder. Hard work at something that's not what the current situation demands is just wasted time and effort (and resources) that could've been better allocated, and I'd like to see manga/anime to feature battles (or other forms of conflict) which are high-level enough for proper training to make a difference.

That's Uchuu Kyoudai or Kaiji then.

Goku vs Vegeta is about working smarter
Also happens in HunterxHunter, for as much as Gon works harder and really desires it he still won't get what he wants (except maybe that time with Pitou but he became a cripple afterwards)

>It's funny, because later it was mentioned that Sasuke would get rekt if Orochimaru wasn't a dying cripple with sealed hands.
Sasuke himself said that though. He was shittalking Orochimaru during their fight for the sake of shittalking.

Did Tobi help Sauce aside from saving him from Danzo's suicide bomb? Also, what is it with people exploding themselves while fighting Sauce?

Danzo could have used Shisui's genjutsu to manipulate either Sasuke or Tobi but he wanted to keep it for Tobi. If not for that Sasuke would have lost before the fight even began

That's fair. And it's also pretty much shikamaru's theme. He wasn't the one all about throwing out "bigger and fancier rasengans" as a sign that he's improved lol

Also, I think everyone would agree that better thought out fights would be more satisfying, but in a shonen manga/anime, that's asking a bit too much of an artist trying to hit deadlines

Didn't he use Shisui's genjutsu on Mifune? Isn't there like a long time until that genjutsu could be used again?

That worked with some power ups.
Naruto and Jiraya didn't have much genetics but Sage Mode was a significant tactical advantage. They turned into powerhouses but unlike Sharingan bullshit they needed strategy to land those hits.
That's until Naruto turns into a walking nuke giant mech with the power of Kyubi.

Early Shippuden Sasuke did stuff like this too, he didn't have MS bullshit so he used his mark and tactics to gain the advantage on Itachi.

He could use it at the end of the fight.

That's funny because if Sasuke lost, Tobi would have died and the war wouldn't have happened. Even Karin is at fault, she's the one who healed Sasuke.

Filler actually cared more about developing side charchters than kishi

Sauske actually fucking trained to reach his goal and was a beast after the time skip even with out eye magik. Naruto just gets stronger because muh fox friend

That's literally life though

>"turned into"
did you miss the giant monsters early on or something?