asking again: do you agree with this photo? if not, then why?
not a bait in any sense, but i've heard american education system teaches kids it was only usa that smoked nazi germany in ww2.
usa ain't smoking the shit, georgian man იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი called stalin annihilated all them nazis.
shout out to soviet union. gone, never forgotten.
USSR without USA supplies (via Lend-Lease) would have fallen to the Nazis. Soviet officials admitted as much.
USSR with USA supplies would probably have defeated the Nazis on their own and "freed" the rest of Europe, leading to a West Germany type situation.
USA without the USSR would have beaten the Nazis but it would probably have extended the war and nukes would start dropping on Germany.
In reality it was a team effort.
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Don't rely on memes for your information.
>USA without the USSR would have beaten the Nazis but it would probably have extended the war and nukes would start dropping on Germany.
I can only get so erect. We could have purged the entire world of degeneracy 70 years ago. Berlin, Dresden, Tokyo, Moscow. Done.
>West Germany
shit, meant East Germany with most of continental Europe being a Soviet puppet state
The common folk know nothing about WW2, they think 6 gorrilion jews died, that the war was all about killing jews, that Hitler wanted to genocide all jews, that Nazis were all blond haired and blue eyed, that Nazi's were racists... the list goes on and on. Kike conditioning at its finest, and these cunts had Israel since 1917 and only needed a valid reason and international support to go in and start genociding and stealing land. Funny how that works.
totally disagree.
it was pteradactyls
Sure, if you only count soilders as military capability.
Was empire of Japan such small compete Germany?
Russians won because they were the good guys, not because of invincible armor or some stupid shit.
In the absence of a Western Front, even with Lend Lease in effect, the Third Reich still would've won without a doubt.
By 1941 or 1942, depending on whose statistics you use, German defense overlays were already favoring production of goods geared towards fighting the Western Powers. This situation became increasingly acute as the war progressed, with only 34% of the Luftwaffe's fighting strength in the East by 1944, and 1943 marked the first time the majority of the Panzer Divisions were in what could be defined the Western Front(s). For example, Army Group Center at the time of Bagration had been stripped of all but ~40 fighters for their entire front, had an extreme artillery munition shortage (one fourth of production for AA purposes against Western bombers) and had no armor divisions because they had been sent to France in anticipation of OVERLORD.
In addition to the above, you repeatedly find instances of Hitler prioritizing the Western Front over the Eastern Front, arguably as early as 1941 with the Balkan operations, but quite clearly from 1942 on. He made the strategic decision in late 1942 during the Stalingrad disaster to reinforce the Afrika Corps over Rommel's objections (he favored a pullout at that point) and Manstein's requests. Had 10th Panzer, 1st SS (Used for Case Anton) and the 300 Ju-52s been diverted for use in supporting THUNDERCLAP (6th Army breakout attempt) and WINTER STORM (Manstein's relief effort), the disaster that was Stalingrad would not have occurred. For another example, Hitler ended CITADEL (Kursk) early in response to Sicily, despite the II SS Panzer Korps having finally achieved the operation breakthrough needed on the Southern front after demolishing the Soviet operation reserves in the area.
Poland is an Iguanodon?
Didn't Patton say that America sided with the wrong guys?
no one was a good guy, only good goys.
no. japan empire of much germany compete against many opinion
The Japanese Empire of 1939, sans the occupation zones of China, had an economy about two thirds the size of the United States and with about half the population. It also contained more machine tools than the USSR, meaning it had a higher production capacity. Biggest handicap was its lack of resources, in particular oil but also alloys and technical knowledge to build a synthetics industry (Like Germany partially did) to offset its lack of oil.
VERY excellent engine developments though; had the Axis developed an earlier and more comprehensive technology exchange, WWII would've turned out much different.
>Brtitish and American spies notice wehrmacht gearing up for an invasion of USSR
>warn Stalin
>he ignores their warnings
>he accuses them of trying to lure him into the war
>Hitler invades
>Stalin cries like a little bitch
>"HELP ME USA!! HELP ME BRITAIN!!!"
>Britain and USA bail him out with mass armament and resource loans
Fast forward couple years
>Britain and USA realize Hitler was right all along and spend the next 50 years fighting their great ally USSR in a cold war that nearly cause the destruction of the entire planet
Hitler was right and Stalin was arrogant.
Japan killed way more people than Germany did.
Lend lease equated to less than 5 percent of Soviet war production.
No, he said they should just invade the USSR because they would be fighting them eventually. Then he died in a car crash and the Cold War began
quality has a quantity of its own
t. kike
5% of all production
100% of all important shit
Bunch of Jews confirmed.
The Chinese didn't fight under that flag.
Nazi Germany = Cell
UK = Goku
Russia = Gohan
USA = Mr. Satan
Poland = Android 18
Funny how our partners in that "team effort" were worse monsters than the enemy they teamed up to fight.
Italy = Yamcha
Rather a Soviet t34 than an American Sherman. Lend lease helped sure but less than 5 percent didn't win the war.
The goyim knows, shit it down!
Exactly. China was split up into like 6 different "countries"
The initial German invasion overran roughly 40% of Soviet industrial capacity, 60-80% of its aluminum output, 60% of its coal production, 50% of its steel production, and around 30% of electrical output. Critical materials such as Tin, Lead, Manganese Ore, Copper and others were also in short supply.
By 1942, due to the loss of Ukraine and other areas (North Caucasus in particular), Food production had collapsed to just 38% of the 1940 total.
Lend Lease thus comes in, and is able to provide the Soviets with sufficient raw materials to make up for their lack of everything but aluminum and nickel. American export of machine tools, including whole factories at points, is enough to make up 25% of the Soviet industrial sector by the time the war ends. A review of Soviet production totals also find they produce almost no locomotives, half-tracks, trucks, rail stock or rail cars; these were all provided by Lend Lease and allowed the limited Soviet industrial sector to focus on producing tanks, armored cars, and aircraft.
Most importantly, American food aid kept the Red Army fed during the course of the war, in particular during the dark days of 42-43 where the Soviets were recording mass deaths among industrial workers due to starvation and rations were cut to their lowest possible limit.
In short, don't even attempt to imply Lend Lease didn't care it for the Soviets.
>ZOG purging glorious Aryan countries of degeneracy (for example bacon, forskins, and melanin deficiency)
>Russia = Gohan
wtf, russia is vegeta
let's not forget how russia had a non aggression pact with hitler that basically fucked western europe. the russians stabbed europe in the back, they should never be considered heroes because of that.
only with the france chicken bit, otherwsie not all.
both the communist and fascist nations were essentially minding their own business. yes the bodies were piling up, but no one cared. germany starts making power moves in poland and france, and the freedom fighters Britain and US, come to the rescue, never mind the economics / and influential interests of both.
The T-34 was found to be deficient against basically all German armor types, including the obsolete "short" 75mm of the early Panzer IV's and the 50mm Panzer IIIs. At Kursk, for example, II SS Panzer Corps was able to achieve 10:1 loss ratios despite predominantly using the then obsolete IIIs.
Post-War testing by the U.S. Army, meanwhile. found that the 75mm Sherman consistently outfought even the Late War, advanced German tanks.
Uh whoever told you that probably A.) didn’t pay attention in history class or B.) didn’t actually go to school.
I grew up in Alabama a redneck part of the states that taught creationism seriously up until a decade or so ago, even we learned that the Soviet Union and Britain and USA were the big triad(tyalta talks) in taking down Nazi germany. Been taught that since 5th grade to graduation.
Of course we like to emphasize our importance in the affair, but I’ve never actually heard in my experience or with others I’ve talked to a total disregard for the millions of dead soviets who contributed.
Firstly: 5% of the ENTIRE Soviet war production?
What % of the yearly or monthly production, when it was most needed, did it make up?
You can't fool me with your tricky little Jew statistics.
Also:
>allied bombings on German infrastructure
>allied Intel shared with soviets (they cracked the German code ffs)
Are you taking any if that into account?
Daily reminder
But shermans were better than t34s (not sure about the t34-85 tho), they gained a bad reputation because brits used early sherman tanks (made for training) in actual combat
>not a bait
>1 post by this ID
Looks right
Maybe 5% overall, which is an useless metric considering the difference in production from 1941 to the last 2 years of the war. The movement of factories to the east was done with US trucks and US fuel. Lend-lease was the tourniquet that kept the USSR alive when they were bleeding out. Stalin admitted as much.
Literally all OPs are just bait posts trying to draw you in the thread.
No China?
Fuck off, comrade.
Needs the Finns to be all beat up themselves to be accurate. They were on their last legs at the end. Finland never had the manpower or industrial capacity to outlast the Soviets even at 5 to 1 casualties. But the Soviet death toll was appalling for how little they managed to take.
yes
That's how americans think WWII was.
>not a bait in any sense
sure sign of bait
>U.S
>purging the would from degeneracy
How disconnected from reality are you?
Totally the second world war was between Germany and Russia,it was fought and won on the eastern front.
Just like in ww1 it was mainly between France,UK and Germany.The rest of the countryes participating were inconsequential to the outcomes of these wars.
Of course the dumb ammerimuts dont want to belive that they were irrelevant....
those are some rookie numbers there, son
More like crilin
Started stronger, got outclassed, died a few times and now chilles there without doing much
>comrade
Wait I thought Putin was a Nazi to the left? Now Putins a commie? So he rigs the election for a right wing guy that puts his own people first...why exactly?
The left is a joke.
Engine locomotives alone are pretty useful in a land like Russia
France = Yamcha
The war name in the Asian side is the "Pacific War" in America.
But the name in Japan is the "East-Asia War", because Japan had fought with China in the Continent and with America in the Pacific Ocean.
Such a imaginary world. Finland asked for peace and agreed to Soviet demands. This war lasted 3 months.
How did the US get this all to the Russians so easily?
US borders Russia you know.
Fug
Yea but I assumed after Pearl Harbor Japanese boats were something to be afraid of despite proximity.
Yes, WWII was fought with dinosaurs, a style of warfare that the Soviets revolutionized by using velociraptors instead of tyrannosaurs.
Are you a moron? Canada fought in WW2.
>t. kike
We could have had a century of absolute American dominance of the planet with no Cold War.
> it's another episode of freelancing general visits to dole out autism
> "the sherman was unstoppable even late game with its powerful 75mm cannon!"
> "and the t34 was overrated garbage, just ask the germans and their rectangular armor when they first saw it on the battlefield"
> "it had nothing to do with the development of Panther and Tiger because even an old A7V was taking out 69,420 of them every single day"
> "its 85mm couldn't even open a german sluts blouse"
> *fucks off back to World of Tanks*
At least no one slava/wehraboos for English and Asian tanks...
> implying Stalin cared any more about the average soldier than the officers he purged en masse
> implying the permanently annexed advantageous territory wasn't worth it for him
> implying the Finns weren't actually collaborating with the Nazis, didn't assist them with Barbarossa, and didn't help starve innocent 'communist' women and children in St. Petersburg
no one was worse than the japs
Emus were
Mostly via the arctic convoys and through the middle east. The Bongs and Soviets invaded Iran just to open an additional supply route.
i would say people arent that stupid, but thats literally what my dumbcunt sister thought
This picture is factually incorrect
What you're showing is How many people died, but you think it's how many people fought
You're mixing it up in your own head
The Winter War was in 1939, retard.
> burger education
Friendly fire incidents happened. Japhunter underwater could easily make the mistake of taking Soviet cargo for enemy targets. Doesn't make for great propaganda so no one hears about it. Like allied soldiers raping French and German women.
how the hell did Hitler convince Japan to fight on his side again ?
The USSR was on the Nazi side for the first half of the war..... how do people forget this?
>87% of all german losses were on the eastern front.
>more than half of those losses were during 41 and 42 when the US were giving the soviets m3 stuarts a literal shitty tank that the soviets literally despised
>literally the most important shit that came on the land lease were winterboots and Stud Baker trucks which made the red army highly mobile.
You also probably think that the Land Lease was for free you inbred fuck, it was Business as usual and the Soviets actually paid it after the war with SOVIET AND GERMAN GOLD.
also
>USA without the USSR would have beaten the Nazis but it would probably have extended the war and nukes would start dropping on Germany.
You cannot be so retarded, without clear chance of winning the USA would have never entered the war in the first place.
> he doesn't know the USSR again took action against Finland less than a week after Poland was invaded
> he thinks the Winter War didn't end with borders shifting in Soviet favor
Feel free to point out any specific references to dates and wars in that meme image. Do that right before you hang yourself, faggot.
Get fucked. The best way to describe Germany be Russia would be an electric fence, not an active effort. Fucking retarded commies trying to take credit for the fucking cold weather.
>Peoples Republic Of China flag
haha what. China was a disunified country at the time fighting a civil war and only creating a truce in attempt to fend off the Imperial Japanese. The moment the Japanese surrendered, they resumed fight.
Not really, they just had a non-aggression pact. There was always tension between them.
Kek
Remember Stalin wanted to just walk into Helsinki in three weeks, and he got thousands upon thousands of troops mowed down while just managing to take a couple of nibbles in months. It was a pyrrhic victory.
You heard wrong, it was a group effort and USA took part in dealing the killing blow needed from a fresh and well fed nation.
You were making references to later events as justification for earlier events, niggerfaggot.
And what the fuck is
>he doesn't know the USSR again took action against Finland less than a week after Poland was invaded
supposed to mean? Do you have any sense of chronology at all? Is this bait?
The largest naval fleet ever constructed, particular with regards to merchant tonnage; Kaiser's shipyards towards the later end of the war was able to churn out a merchant vessel in 24 hours.
Correct, then the two could help but compare dicks and the killing began.
*couldn't
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This picture is pretty much accurate.
Relevant testing by U.S. Army was done in 1954 by the US Army's Ballistics Research Laboratory, in which they reviewed tank vs tank engagements fought by the 3rd and 4th Armored Divisions over the course of the 1944 campaign(s). Of the 98 engagements studied, 28 were found to include the Panther and the overall conclusion was that the Sherman was found to be 3.6 times better than the Panther. Average numerical size was 1.2 Shermans to 1 Panther in engagements, so don't go claiming tank spam to explain this away.
Also of note is the finding that when a Sherman was destroyed, only one crewman on averaged died. For the T-34, meanwhile, only one crew member survived in the event of the tank being knocked out.
Performance of the T-34 can be reviewed here:
operationbarbarossa.net
In 1942, by which Soviet production had largely begun to focus on the T-34 while the Germans had yet to switch over to the Panzer IV with the long 75mm, you find that the older German weapons were still inflicting horrific losses.
Of course. The US were helpful, but the Soviets won the war.
If the Nazis had taken Russia it would have been all over.
I do not agree with said photo. The Russians
need to be represented by ants or whatever
the Cretaceous version of ants were coming
from the right side of the photo. Then Japan
needs to be on the left and America should be
a two headed fire breathing dragon. Yes the
Russians overran Germany from the east.
Though it wasn't until after DDay that they
started to gain ground. After they were really
on the run it was a race to Berlin between the
US and Russia. After that Russia didn't do shit
to help the US in the Pacific against Japan. So,
go learn some history jackass.
The problem was the 4th Reich did take parts of Russia.
They weren't ready for holding it.
America has made the same mistakes in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
The only thing is the world didn't gang up on US for invading those shitholes.
Even if Germany had taken over Moscow they still wouldn't have beaten the USSR. Do you know how huge the country is? Russians could deal with winter and poor conditions very well, they would hide everywhere and do surprise attacks. Germany would still have to fight with the USA and the UK dealing with Russians biting them from the other side would make them lose sooner or later. Also how can you be sure Germany wouldn't be the first to invent nukes?
They could never had made enough heavy water and Hitler dropped the Nuke program for the Nazi bell.
General Schultze - Rhonhof knows best .