Were the Irish not really slaves like thebmemes try to lead us to believe?
Is the New York Times correct?
James Reyes
Leo Young
response from a self hating mick on the twitter article. the saxons should have genocided them
Grayson Lewis
Slaves or not they were horrendously brutalized by the British and maybe worse than blacks. Look at the population of Ireland today. It's lower than it might be is my point.
Jaxson Garcia
I found my OP on normiebook coincidently (((suggested))) to me one day before St. Paddys. I am like wtf?
Charles White
He's right, the niggers were liberated
John Sanders
Probably authored by a black, a woman, or a Jew, and certainly not an Irish.
Irish AND British were indeed indentured servants, as well as many West European people who couldn't afford the venture across the ocean. They were often treated like shit due to the fact that, like slaves, they had to work their way to earn their freedom. However, since they were
>white
most could easily escape chastity when they were presented the opportunity. Throughout the 20th century, the Irish that were outwardly gingerly or passed for Irish were routinely discriminated against in employment and in accomodations. Blacks had it pretty bad since they couldn't escape it, but social progressivism doesn't change the facts of history.
>I'm Dalek the cuck (holds up spork)
>look how progressive I am (drinks soymilk)
>black people had it bad, I'm fighting to change that! (sucks black penis)
Jayden Smith
Modern america is such a fucking cancer on the world its not even funny anymore
Christopher Green
>TFW you declare all Europeans to be of one race and call all white people racist, only to be surrounded by a multi-ethnic group of Europeans
>The Scandinavian hits you with an axe
>The Anglo shoots you with a bow
>The German hits you with a massive floppy dildo
>The Iberian stabs you with a rapier
>The Slav and the Irishman both proceed to shank you with beer bottles and piss on your dying body
Noah Mitchell
They were not slaves but that doesn't necessarily mean they were treated better. Irish were also often sent to do the extremely dangerous jobs you'd never let a slave do.
Anthony Barnes
This. Can you fuckers sort your shit out please
Camden Martin
Their right, slaves were treated better than the Irish, especially in the state of JEWYORK.
Colton Wilson
I mean, I could fix this and put all these papers out of business overnight. I really could. I'm constitutionally protected to take action against them and to provide the US and the world with a better kind of press outlet.
Alexander Gomez
Ignore the Jewish media. It's nothing but lies and distortions.
Angel Hall
One of my great-great grandmothers was an "indentured servant" for the eternal Anglo.
Thomas Young
It was worse for Irish slaves. A slavery doc on the History Channel had blacks talk about how the Irish had the most dangerous jobs at the belly of the barges catching cotton bails, thrown down to them by nigs.
(((NY Times))) shilling for black victim consciousness.
Christopher Moore
STOP DENYING THE POTATOCAUST WHITEY
Adrian Hughes
Germany has been a cancer for centuries up until present day. So BTFO
Levi Reed
For the jew tou mean. The Anglos were occupied and brutalised too. Or do you think Anglos were living it up in the Industrial Revolution? Coal mining or work-houses 16 hour days, 6 days a week from age 5/6. Not seeing the sun through Winter, dying before 30 on average. Of course no Australians were Anglos. Eternal Anglo is a meme created by jews to hide the word Jew.
Andrew Smith
>the jew york times
Blake Richardson
damn1 what a great way to celebrate Ireland than to put out Jewish anti-white propaganda about the Irish the day of!
cool!! :)
Justin White
our genetic pool was massacred and that is what matters. The black or native gene pool was not.
Kayden Morris
Blacks were slaves up until 1963!
>because indentured servitude is slavery
Irish were never slaves!
>because indentured servitude is not slavery
Jaxson Russell
Fucking dynamite skunks.
Charles Stewart
WTF!?!
Chase Hall
They're still slaves.
Ryder Scott
Please do
Brandon Myers
Ok, but then the Jew becomes a meme, used by exploiters/upper classes/owners to hide themselves.
Andrew Lee
It already is lel. Stop listening to these LARPing mongs.
Carson Thompson
People are use to America being the enforcer of these opinions. It'll be funny to see what happens when they realize we no longer have that power.
Brandon Barnes
Well if it's a conspiracy theory all you need to do is check Wikipedia. Oh look it conveniently agrees with us haha what a surprise.
Alexander Turner
I've seen the advertisements where you could buy an Irish slave for less than a negreo. They were legit slaves. They'd use them on boats until their backs broke. This is fucked up. They're conditioning the whites of America for death. Stock up on guns and get ready to blast ((())).
Gavin Roberts
>Even in 1881 people were 56% shitposting
Nathan Hall
> El Leprechaunacio
Cooper Long
>Irish werent slaves
>blues music exists
lets see if Sup Forums can find the factual greentext
Ian Collins
This isn't true though. I hate the left and the (((Times))) but the Irish were in no way treated worse than blacks.
Ayden Murphy
The odd thing is that Irish Catholics are the most successful white group in America....Ahead of Anglos and way the fuck ahead of Scots-Irish.
Jayden Cook
top kek
Brayden Mitchell
>The Anglos were occupied and brutalised too.
This.
By and large, the vast majority of Anglos were dirt poor and treated quite brutally by the elites of Europe.
Even today, Anglos are struggling as a near underclass in their own country.
Jacob Bailey
Fuck off Mohammed
David Wood
And yet, the Irish are doing better than Anglos in Australia today. So I guess this disproves the liberal's favorite pet theory that a "tough history" (environment) is the sole reason that blacks struggle in the US.
Hunter Sullivan
pot calls the kettle black
Jason Jackson
This. Slaves were property and had monetary value. Indentured servants did not have that luxury and were seen as expendable.
Joshua Richardson
globalresearch.ca
The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.
Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.
From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.
During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.
Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.
Landon Bennett
>The German hits you with a massive floppy dildo
Kek!
Owen Reyes
If you can please fucking do it, modern American journalism is a cancer on the world
Brandon Kelly
>INDENTURED SERVITUDE
Is what racist liberal fagggots call
>IRISH SLAVERY
en.wikipedia.org
>According to Kathryn Stelmach Artuso, even historians such as Hilary Beckles - whose work Artuso calls "seminal in the field" - have drawn "surprisingly close parallels between the experiences of Africans and Irish in the Caribbean."[15]
>Similarly, historian Nini Rodgers has written that Irish indentured servants "were not slaves," but nonetheless argues that the "difference must have seemed academic" to many of them.[17]:147
> the "difference must have seemed academic" to many of them
Oliver Cook
There is no modern American journalism. There is only corporate propaganda carried out by paid stooges.
Jonathan Peterson
There were far more Anglo indentured servants than Irish.
In fact the majority of the English that came to the US were as indentured servants. But as usual, the left airbrushes the suffering of Anglos out of history and portrays them as villains when in fact they suffered greatly.
Ryder Davis
Anthony Harris
Something tells me they didn't include Jews in that analysis.
Cooper Flores
The Irish were never the victims of chattel slavery like Africans in the US were. They were never legally property, much like a slave was to a cow or a horse. Indentured servitude was pretty rough, but it was not the same as chattel slavery.
Irish, however, were highly discriminated against, thanks in most part to the English/British ancestry of the Americans. Ireland was colonized and their people were oppressed, mostly based on their proximity to England and their "otherness" as Catholics and Celts. They often worked alongside slaves in the South. There was a saying there as well - "If niggers weren't niggers, Irish would be niggers."
That being said, they were not chattel slaves, and that is the defining difference.
>t. history degree
Isaac Hill
Its because of where they settled. Scots-irish settled in bumfuck appalachia
Ryan Thomas
>t. REVISIONIST history degree
Daniel Scott
Aiden Wood
>That being said, they were not chattel slaves, and that is the defining difference.
yeah no, instead they were more often worked to death because their "owners" didnt want to give them their land at the end of their servitude and it was more economical to just have them die during their 7 years of service, whereas you wanted your niggers to be in top operating order for as long as possible, given that they were expensive farm equipment
Adrian Hall
Yeah revisionist history is great, it actually allowed for us to refocus on the sufferings of the Irish, fuck you.
Luke Wilson
>Is the New York Times correct?
>Is the New York Times ever correct?
Noah Carter
Yeah share cropping is pretty bad but its not the same as chattel slavery. Irish were never property, thats the defining difference.
Nolan Kelly
kys faggot
Isaac Turner
But most Europeans who came to the US in the 1600s & 1700s were indentured servants
The shitty treatment of the Irish initially was due to their Catholicism not their "Celticness." The Scots, Welsh, and English are also Celtic.
This was mostly a Catholic vs Protestant issue. And most of the anti-Catholic sentiment came from the poorer Protestant workers who were being displaced in major cities as a workforce by the newly arrived Catholics.
Kevin Reed
Shut the fuck up, kraut. Nobody is asking you retards to buy into the bullshit, when Americans find out that Germans, Brits, Swedes etc give a shit about black rights and American issues they think you're fucking stupid weirdos.
Aiden Phillips
>Irish were never property
they were transported in bondage and taken from their place of residence against their will more often than not
Mason Wood
They should've been
Hunter Rivera
>proud (((Irishman)))
>hangs tricolour vertically
fukin Amerimutt Irish wankers
Anthony Kelly
BEGORRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Dylan Rivera
That's a nigger tier set up, everything at ground level to be used while laying on the floor.
Jayden Martin
>That being said, they were not chattel slaves, and that is the defining difference.
>>Similarly, historian Nini Rodgers has written that Irish indentured servants "were not slaves," but nonetheless argues that the "difference must have seemed academic" to many of them.[17]:147
>the "difference must have seemed academic" to many of them
Brody Watson
While not really slavery, this would be a good time to point out that many Irish "refugees" of the potato famine were immediately drafted into the US Civil War. Those people were dreamers too.
Could you imagine if the US immediately drafted all of the illegal Mexican and Latin Americans that came in here to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of just deporting or giving them (((sanctuary)))?
Cameron Price
The Irish felt like they were treated like slaves
But modern historians say that there was a pedantic academic linguistic difference
So that's more important than the actual facts of how they were treated
Kevin Bell
I'm Scottish lel so I don't know what you're trying to prove. You still aren't Irish.
Brandon Jackson
>shitty treatment of the irish was due to their catholicism
not true, it was due to their tendecy for insurrection and they offered foreign powers ports and supplies for the invasion of England. From the 1700s onwards England was extremely tolerant of catholics, the only inequaility was the fact they couldn't stand for Parliament but that was because they refused to acknowledge the crown as head of the church and state, and it was reformed in 1831 anyway. Seriously if you think Britain was hard on Ireland just look at the number of times they rebelled or incited foreign powers to attack.
Kayden Phillips
They weren't captured by neighboring tribes and sold to Europeans, or anything along the lines of the Africans. Most not willing indentured servants were sent over as response to owing debt, etc. They were never legally someones property. There were no Irish slave auctions.
Again, it was rough, but its not the same thing.
Checked.
I disagree. Catholicism was the primary factor, true, but the Irish still clinging to their Celtic roots and speaking Celtic languages signaled them out as barbaric people in the minds of the English. The English are only nominally Celtic; during the late Roman and early Medieval period the Island was conquered by Germanic tribes like the Angles and the Saxons, who slowly bred out or assimilated the Celtic speaking English. This is why for instance the Scots still spoke Celtic languages because the were beyond the reach of these Germanic kings. Also, for the record, the Celtic speaking Scots beyond the Lowlands were often considerably barbarous as the Irish. The Highlands were Catholic for much longer after the Reformation.
It is Catholicism, you're right, but that's just a primary cause when there was a few more reasons the English hated the Irish so much.
Angel Lee
This isn't true.
It did happen to some percentage of the population but nowhere near the majority.
But most Europeans who came over in the initial centuries of the US were indentured servants. Something like 90% of English immigrants in the South were actually indentured servants.
Also this.
Connor Morgan
>They were never legally someones property.
Really so why have them in bondage? Why have term limits of working for 7 years? What would have happened to them if they said fuck it I dont want to work for 7 years here? You know what would have happened, you can't call that freedom, thats enslavement. Albeit different than the blacks but enslavement nonetheless
Josiah Hernandez
You don't have the legal standing of a cow that's why. Indentured servants had some legal protections and could take their employers to court, event though it could be difficult.
Michael Watson
>potato nigger sympathezing with fellow slave niggers
Dylan Murphy
>jewish slavers (called "Press Gangs") would go into Irish villages and grab all the young men and turn them over to the British Army and Navy. They were well paid for that.
>They would take the young children and women and sell them into slavery in North America and the Caribbean.
>They would breed them with the niggers. That is why you have so many black people with Irish names.
>Was taught as a child in school "Blacks took the last names of their slave masters"
>believed for many years that there must have been a TON of Irish that owned plantations.
You ever seen pictures of the black people that live in the former British colonies in the Caribbean? Jamaica, Bahamas, Virgin Islands, American South, etc. Ever notice so many of them have a caramel color? Now compare that to the black people that lived in the French and Spanish and Portuguese colonies.
Irish were slaves. Irish had the worst most dangerous jobs.
Ian Baker
This is what is so irritating about all these liberal tards whining about how everyone is an immigrant here. True; however, Paddy didn't get off the fucking boat and get a food stamp card and free medical care. He got drafted into the Civil War. Or had to work a shit job that even blacks wouldn't do. Irish were shit on for years, but then they got it together. Idiots that compare then to now are fucking retarded. Why can't Blacks do the same? Liberals lean hard on Mexicans for support, but does no liberal strategist realize that Mexicans fucking hate blacks?
Camden Moore
see
Hunter Lee
>You don't have the legal standing of a cow that's why. Indentured servants had some legal protections and could take their employers to court, event though it could be difficult.
>He's never heard of one of the most famous U.S Supreme Court cases ever
You know... The one where the slave sued his master
Asher Lopez
You've made a lot of mistakes.
Studies show that the English are at best about 20-30% Anglo-Saxon. The English, Scottish, and Irish are incredibly similar genetically speaking, and far closer to one another than the English and the "Germans" (who themselves are not even a coherent peoples) are to one another.
Irish Catholics outperform the English in England, America, and Australia both academically and economically. And it's been this way for more than half a century.
Catholics in general outperform Protestants in the US, England and Australia, and have done so for a while.
Your notions of history, genetics, and economics are hopelessly dated.
Robert Cook
They were slaves in the middle east mostly.
Daniel Peterson
It's a semantics game. Indentured servitude is a form of slavery, and some indentured servants--both white and black--ended up slaves for life.
Easton Torres
>(((O'Shekel)))
Samuel Moore
>Right before St. Patrick's Day Jew York Slimes attacks the Irish.
"You paddy's didn't have it so bad! How dare you compare yourself to actual slaves! Now give us some shekels in reparation!"
Blake Foster
>Antique %56 shitposting
Jesus Christ no
Matthew Watson
Well, I wouldn't be all that proud of a history of being enslaved, so it's understandable you'd hate being reminded of it.
Luis Taylor
On the other hand, this is all framed within the victimhood mindset. Everyone seems to want a piece of oppression pie nowadays
Jack Jones
They still are.
Hunter Gray
My guess is that article is grasping on to a technicality. No, the Irish weren't explicitly slaves, but the insinuation is that being a slave is the worst thing that can happen to you. The Irish were often treated worse than slaves.
>Of the white labourers on this canal, the great majority are Irishmen; their wages are from ten to fifteen dollars a month, with a miserable lodging, and a large allowance of whiskey. It
is by means of this hateful poison that they are tempted, and indeed enabled for a time, to stand the broiling heat of the sun in a most noxious climate: for through such, close to the
romantic but unwholesome Potomac, the line of the canal has hitherto run. The situation of these poor strangers, when they sink at last in "_the fever,_" which sooner or later is sure to
overtake them, is dreadful. There is a strong feeling against the Irish in every part of the Union, but they will do twice as much work as a negro, and therefore they are employed. When
they fall sick, they may, and must, look with envy on the slaves around them; for they are cared for; they are watched and physicked, as a valuable horse is watched and physicked: not so the Irishman, he is literally thrown on one side, and a new comer takes his place.
>Domestic Manners of the Americans by Fanny Trollope
Liam Williams
Pseudo-historical bullshit. Sources? Muh feelings don't count.
>Irish worked the worst, most dangerous jobs
This is true. Irish often worked alongside slaves in the South. Big difference was they weren't slaves.
And what was the decision of Dred Scott again? Oh yeah, it had no legal basis because property doesn't have the right to sue in court.
Asher Anderson
They were treated worse
Brody Gonzalez
This is true. And this is why I'm sick of Anglos being vilified by the media and Hollywood.
The Irish are much richer than us and yet they're always portrayed as the underdog and we're the villain. It's bullshit
Colton Cruz
I am genuinely, ethnically speaking, over 80% irish/british/scottish. I am almost ethnically identical to your neighbors. My ancestry is just as much from the British Isles as yours potatonigger
Cooper Flores
Trollope continues:
>Details of their sufferings, and unheeded death, too painful to dwell upon, often reached us; on one occasion a farmer calling at the house, told the family that a poor man, apparently in a dying condition, was lying beside a little brook at the distance of a quarter of a mile. The spot was immediately visited by some of the family, and there in truth lay a poor creature, who was already past the power of speaking; he was conveyed to the house and expired during the night. By enquiring at the canal, it was found that he was an Irish labourer, who having fallen sick, and spent his last cent, had left the stifling shanty where he lay, in the desperate attempt of finding his way to Washington, with what hope I know not. He did not appear above twenty, and as I looked on his pale young face, which even in death expressed suffering, I thought that perhaps he had left a mother and a home to seek wealth in America. I saw him buried under a group of locust trees, his very name unknown to those who laid him there, but the attendance of the whole family at the grave, gave a sort of decency to his funeral which rarely, in that country, honors the poor relics of British dust: but no clergyman attended, no prayer was said, no bell was tolled; these, indeed, are ceremonies unthought of, and in fact unattainable without much expense, at such a distance from a town; had the poor youth been
an American, he would have been laid in the earth in the same unceremonious manner. But had this poor Irish lad fallen sick in equal poverty and destitution among his own people, he would have found a blanket to wrap his shivering limbs, and a kindred hand to close his eyes.
Lincoln Rodriguez
as an irishman i try to tell people that we suffered a hell of a lot because of colonialism (read: 1/3 of population starved out, language and culture nearly completely decimated), my ancestors never invaded a foreign land nor had colonies
but it makes no difference because I am white
Nicholas Hughes
Germany is far more cancer than America. At least we're actually fucking doing something about our problems and have a conservative-dominated government. Meanwhile you're ruled by a fucking leftist woman. Kill yourself kraut, your country is probably one of the absolute worst right along with Sweden.
Justin Morris
I've read in many places that white slaves were kept too, but much less frequently, since an African slave is far more disposed to the southern climates of America than Europeans. It's an accidental fact, but they extrapolate from it some moral priority that was given for European slaves over African slaves, when in reality it was all the same. We were not racialist until the 1800's, before then were influences that go back to the practical value of the slave economy of the Roman empire, and has little to do with racial prejudice.
Jeremiah Gray
(OP) #
HAHA the Jews getting desperate.
>can’t allow whites to have been slaves
>destroyes the “white privilege” propaganda
>destroyes the “exclusive white on black explotation” myth.
Fucking kikes
Alexander Stewart
But the Irish were treated on pair if not worse then slaves in the north?
The south didn’t really care, but the north hated them correct?