Nen is bullshit

I am tired of you hxhfags trying to argue that this is some deep impressive system. It's literally just just asspull energy that gives togashit an excuse to give any character any power he wants.

Asspull? theres absolutely nothing asspull about it considering that everything makes sense

Since when designing creative system that allows creative powers is a bad thing? Fuck off.

I also like Jojo and it's even more case by case. The only strictly defined power system I know of in shonen is the death note.

True, but autistic people and nerds think it's deep.

A t the very least jojo battles are fun.

>but autistic people think it's deep.
screenshot ?

>an excuse to give any character any power he wants
All types of "energy" in shounen manga give characters the ability to do whatever power the author wants. That's pretty much the point. Unlike something vague like magic in Fairy Tail, it at least tries to set a consistent set of limitations on what can be accomplished.

And by that you mean what exactly?

So should he give characters powers he doesnt want? What sense does that make?

hxh is nothing but asspulls desu

nen is literally the best power of any anime, you just don't understand it

The only asspull is Nanika

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Impressive list of arguments

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Can someone explain the difference between emission and conjurer? Take Netero for example, his giant statue acts exactly like a conjured object which he controls through manipulation and strengthens by enchancing it. Yet it's an emmited ability.

It's all bullshit. They went out of their way to explain how a conjuror is limited in their quality, never being able to create an object that is stronger than it's real world counterpart.

And then Kurapika comes in with his special chains which completely control a man who can punch craters, blow up people with his voice, and just shrugged off bullets and an rpg

The chains aren't physically stronger than normal chains, it's just their nen ability allows them to restrain him. It's an effect, not a natural attribute.

>Hey look, I made this complex system of “natural affinity” and all that shit
>Except if you posses hax red eye powers that allows you to access all of them with 100% power and/or a special snowflake
>Except you can get more hax if you keep your chastity
>Or die while having a boner
>Or if you’re a super-king that pulls techniques out of his ass. Hey, he’s the best, of course he can pull it off!
Literally the same like every shonen ever

I'll be honest could you explain that again? So they are the same strength as normal chains but somehow they have a special effect that restrains him? Because that doesn't sound like conjuring at all

>never being able to create an object that is stronger than it's real world counterpart
literally shit tier. How is this supposed to be able to compete with emmiters?

>Literally the same like every shonen ever
don't you fucking dare. HxH is the BvS of anime, it has elevated past it's source material and the title of shonen

No idea, the whole system is bullshit. Enhancers can get to the point where they are literally bullet/rpg proof and can kill someone with their voice and then there's all the specialist shit

>HxH is the BvS of anime

The conjured chains have the same physical qualities as regular chains, but they're also still magic chains which have the added ability to sap the strength of the target at the cost of only being useable against members of the troupe.
If the person wrapped in them is being reduced to normal human ability then the strength of regular steel is enough to restrain them.

bait would be to call it Rick and Morty and get that one faggot to link the archive

>which have the added ability to sap the strength of the target at the cost of only being useable against members of the troupe
wow
how plot convienent
even better that the creation of that very unique and special technique, by someone who just recently didn't even know nen existed, happened all off screen

>If the person wrapped in them is being reduced to normal human ability then the strength of regular steel is enough to restrain them

I have to call bullshit on that. Leorio could push tons of weight with his baseline strenght, and Uvogh would have obviously been stronger than him. I don't see how he wouldn't be able to break through normal steel chains.

The main difference I can see by watching them being applied is that Emmitted things seem to be able to have more autonomy and work more like Jojo's stands. Conjured things have to be manipulated by their users and lack autonomy.

>Conjured things have to be manipulated by their users and lack autonomy
thats literally neteros Buddha though. he summons it and then directly manipulates it

>conjurers can never be able to create an object that is stronger than it's real world counterpart
Are you retarded m8? With Kurapika they stated it's not possible to create an unbreakable chain (since no one has infinite aura) BUT it is possible to make a chain stronger than it's real life counterpart. There is just no point though since at the end of the day it's just a chain and he's a conjurer.

Conjurers can make magical shit or items with unique qualities and strength that don't even exist in real life like portals, voodoo dolls which exorcise nen, miniature version of Jupiter, vacumm cleaner with super suction, ect. They can create more than real life basic items.

literally everyone besides retard enhancers have unique techniques

The real tragedy is that enhancer is a shit category and Togashi decided the main character should have it.

Name a top character who is at the top BECAUSE they're an enhancer. You can't. What the fuck does your enhancement matter if Killua can electrocute you, if Knuckle's emission can make you go bankrupt, if Hiskoa's transmuted rubber shit can withstand your enhanced strength?

>an enhancer can just punch them before they can use these abilities!
Yea because that would totally work against killua's lightning speed, or against intelligent and powerful users. Dipshits.

what's preventing someone from creating a unique weapon/technique against multiple threats? Like can Kurapika actually make another crazy effective nen ability against non-spiders?

making the protagonist an enhancer does seem like a big mistake. They could have gone the BnHA route and written him being at a disadvantage well but they don't

Nen getting stronger after a person dies has been established since Greed Island and the bombers. It's said early on that you've got to be careful when killing a Nen user because they can use their nen to curse you.

Hisoka didn't survive. He's dead and his corpse is moving from the curse. Once it accomplishes that, he'll be gone too.

>how plot convienent
You do realize that a huge part of what makes nen interesting is that its strength/effectiveness is enhanced depending on the constraints placed on it right?

I mean I guess that's "plot convenient" because that's the entire fucking point of the system.

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>specialist class exists
System immediately discarded. There is no point in designing a class system where the classes have defined limits, styles, and abilities if you just add a class that can do whatever the fuck power the author wants.

>two entire series
>hundreds of different powers
>nothing will ever be as interesting or unique as this episode
i thought maybe something cool would happen with the hospital, like a murder mystery, but instead we just got invisible killer bees. I dont really hate the series but it definitely suffered from the battle shonun shift.

hence why people don't like the system. Like how the abilities are increased by an individual's will. That's a terrible fucking idea, even if it is as shonen as it gets.

>Like can Kurapika actually make another crazy effective nen ability against non-spiders?
With enough autism, yup. But there has to be more restrictions.

Togashi continues to "subvert" I guess, because I expected a final showdown between Hisoka and Gon once Gon got his nen back. And Gon had already improved tremendously during Chimera arc. Oh well.

>hence why people don't like the system
Wrong actually. People love the system. HxH is popular for a reason.

The worst thing is that manipulators and conjurers get fucked since they are stuck next to a category they have no affinity with.

@ everyone
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It's a big catch all for when the writer puts himself in the corner
So what's stopping someone from creating a very restrictive nen to be used against a single person?

>okay so these 5 disciplines have strict weaknesses, strengths, and rules on what they can do
>and the 6th can do whatever the fuck they want

I know Nen isn't the only system with this bullshit "this one category can do anything that the writer's feel like" but shit.

>creative

because puting powers into categories is "creative". If I stuff your ass into a filing cabinet by where the body part came from, I guess that's creative too.

It's categorical and quantifying, but in the end it's just the illusion that faggots like you buy into that he doesn't just make shit up on the fly and stuff it into a category.

Stupid children and their love for branding. Tell me, what category of nen is Togashi's Hiatus nen then?

>since they are stuck next to a category they have no affinity with.
I remember someone explicitly stated that Enhancers would have a tough/impossible time using "specialist". So maybe Togashi is trying to communicate that everyone can use specialist to a degree.

Kind of hard to be popular when you are on hiatus all the fucking time.

>everything makes sense

It just works

>They could have gone the BnHA route and written him being at a disadvantage
Until Deku figured out full cowl 100 chapters ago and now has a stupid OP quirk

that will never not be massively disappointing. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel of shonen ideas

He sacrificed all his potential (which was talked up quite a few times during that arc) to receive power that could defeat Pitou. Nothing asspullish about that.

The actual asspull is Alluka because he/she/it came from fucking nowhere as a family member of a family we supposedly already knew.

>So what's stopping someone from creating a very restrictive nen to be used against a single person?
literally nothing. but you'll be stuck with powers that only work on a single person and useless on everyone else.

it was like an entire line of asspulls
>gon suddenly god power
>pitou "reviving" herself
>gon getting revived
this series would have been much better off if gon just lost his powers

>sacrifice all his power to defeat that person
>power that allows 100% affinity too all classes of nen but chips away the age of a person
>dying in a fight only to have nen bring you back as a zombie except not really
I'm sensing a trend

And full cowl is trash compared to the simple visual shorthand of him becoming larger and more muscular.

>but you'll be stuck with powers that only work on a single person and useless on everyone else.
considering that restriction makes it insanely powerful it seems like an obvious trade off

What's the trend? All of that makes sense within the rules that have been given to us.

Nen abilities are made more powerful by being focused by limitations and conditions that need to be met. Chain Jail functions as an effectively unbreakable snare because it's balanced by killing Kurapika if he were to use it on anyone other than the 13 people that are currently members of the troupe.
Or how the Bomber's ability is balanced by not activating until he 1. touches the target and says "bomber" and 2. explains to them how the ability works, including that it can be deactivated by touching him and saying "I caught the bomber"

That's basically what Gon did against pitou. He gained all the strength he could potentially have during his life all at once, but it only lasted a couple minutes before placing him in a near death cursed state. Then even when he was miraculously cured he lost his ability to use nen.

>chips away the age of a person
classic shonen """weakness"""

the rules are bad is the trend. They solve a problem by using insanely broken and overpowered abilities and then gimp the individual as if that makes up for it
and like others said, gon coming back to life was an undeniable asspull, so it's overall bad

yep, there will be no consequences until it's plot convenient
>but he has to decide when to use and not use it!
yeah it's a pretty fucking easy question. Are you about to die so use up your life force anyway? Is the thing you are fighting for greater than yourself? Then use it.

Ok so Gon becomes super saiyan like this.

What's stopping everyone on the brink of death or people facing against some insurmountable threat, from sacrificing their life and getting super powerful? If I'm about to die I might as well sacrifice my life to become godly and take someone down with me.

literally nothing
no one does it simply because the plot doesn't have them do it. The ability to just say "Fuck it," and became a demigod at or near death is nothing short of broken. Picture how that would change the service of the military, or king's guards, etc. Instead it's completely ignored

Dolphin chain kinda sucks anyway. The disabling a target's nen part isn't actually better than if you had just super-punch killed them, tasered them, exploded them, poisoned them or whatever else your signature technique is.
Then it ended up just draining all his aura, and made him pass out, compounding the issue. Without even really accomplishing anything once the stolen ability did get its one use.

I never even though of that. What the fuck was his plan? To restrain him and turn him over to authorities? The guy who helped commit literal genocide?

Gon only became super strong because he gave up on his massive """""""potential""""""". Normies wouldn't become that strong because they don't have the potential to give up.

so another "he was born with this special power" shonen bullshit? Why the fuck do people praise the writing of this show? Has it been Poe's law this whole fucking time?

giving up your actual life is a greater sacrifice than giving up your potential

>strength is directly proportional to the square of your autism
Why does Sup Forums hate this again?

autism AND emotion

>pitou "reviving" herself
Good bait, user.

cuz for every common trope it employs it also subverts a trope. please go troll some shitty one piece thread.

>Ok so Gon becomes super saiyan like this.
You call it "super saiyan", but that makes it sound like a transformation that can be consciously activated.
Gon was very angry and very stupid, so he let out all of the strength he'll ever have in his entire life just to beat up Pitou.
This is something that normal people can't do, because they have "fears" and "mental barriers".
It's like biting off your own fingers. You can do it, but you can't do it. Gon is retarded, so he has no problem biting off his own fingers.
It makes a lot more sense if you think of it less like an anime powerup and more like a fit of tard rage.

>an excuse to give any character any power he wants.
user, I have news for you about this whole "fiction" concept...

>nen becomes stronger with restrictions set on it
>the stricter the limitations the stronger the nen
>build new nen power for each fight you face
>be constantly at an extremely high level
Wow, that was hard.

All you'd have to do is set a restriction for your nen power during the fight, then just never use that power again.
>i will only use x power to fight person y and literally no one else, and if i use it against anyone else i will die
There, it has a very strict condition, and will thus be super strong. Then, once the fight is over, just don't use that nen power anymore, and when you get into your next fight, build a new nen power with a different restriction.

That said, nen is a really ass pull power. Very duse ex machina. Chrollo is a good example of this. Literally he can pull any power at all out of his book. Which is not to say, anyone other random person couldn't pull any random power they want out of their ass should the stroy demand it.

he's basically the typical retard shonen protagonist then
a red flag for whether or not a power is an ass pull is when characters have to go into "cool down mode" after wards because it was so broken

>a red flag for whether or not a power is an ass pull is when characters have to go into "cool down mode" after wards because it was so broken
How does that relate to what I said?

>he's basically the typical retard shonen protagonist then
That's exactly what he is.
He's a more "realistic" portrayal of what would happen if a retarded kid like Goku went on a magical martial arts adventure.

1.You need the resolve.
2.You need the potential.
3.It's tied to your category.
Gon was getting ready for this ever since he saw Kite's corpse.

That would never really work. For one, what happens when you get get attacked by surprise? Two, half added powers you aren't used to using tend to fail. Three, with how you yourself treat such a restriction it would never prove to be much of a powerup. When you make such a. Condition you have to really feel yourself get constricted by it. The more you feel the condition is strict the more powerful it will be. If you just think you'll make up a new ability after it'll feel cheap and you'll get what you played for. Cheap power for a cheap vow.

>is wrong
>posts anime
Classic

Only one of those is an asspull, you're just a brainlet.

However they're the most likely to develop specialist nen. Specialists also have another innate nen catergory just like Kuripika is innately a Conjurer but has Specialist nen. Kinda makes sense that Enhancers would never become Specialists as Enhancing is like the most general/well rounded nen to have. It's probably also the most common.