Prove me wrong

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Don't use any public roads or services then.

>Steal from your wallet
>buy a new front door and repaint your front door
Not theft if you use the door

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Now you got it.

Oh look a machine that are being built with government subsidies.

Why should I prove you wrong when you're unable to stop the theft? Your opinion of the thief doesn't hurt the thief at all.

Taxation isn't theft if you can avoid it by changing your behavior, e.g. by not buying things that are taxed. However income taxation is slavery.

Rather disingenuous image. The difficulty with roads isn't constructing them, it's obtaining the land required which must all be connected. That's easy todo when buying the land in the desert from a single owner, it's much more difficult when you need several hundred or even thousand particular parcels to build a bypass. Flyovers and tunnels are a violation of property rights without the permission of the ground owner. Lots of kinks and ninety degree turns ruins throughput. Even private roadways that do exist usually end up using the government to condemn land the road builder needs.

It's a *NECESSARY* theft, and the thieves have defined codes and procedures and you can vote to change them.
A net benefit when taxation is

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Roads, most buildings, a bunch of tech companies, literally most everything in your life has some form of government subsidies. Its one of the few reasons I stopped being a conservative and moved towards the center left.

I know Sup Forums doesn't want the government in your lives but thats the kicker. It already is.

>don't use services you're being forced to pay for and has no free market alternative because the government has a monopoly on them

It's always muh roads, muh fire fighters, muh police...
Even if we could agree that roads would be a necessary government responsibility it would still not account for like 95%+ of the remaining taxes.

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But if the person did not want the new door then it's theft.

Yes. Jesus whats so hard to understand about this?

why would you not use services you paid for? even if you were forced to pay for it, what does that change?

Because its theft isn't it? You're using stolen items. Ergo you're now committing a crime.

Those stolen items are mine. Using items that were stolen from you isn't pilferage, you're in your right to use the items that are originally yours but stolen.

A nigger steals your bike, and the next day you see the bike at the niggers house, are you now in the wrong because you took your own bike back from the thief?

You are right though.

I think that is what he is getting at, friendo.

Income Tax is theft.

We already pay tax on things we buy. The theft is we are taxed on money that we have already paid tax with.

Lolbertarianism are semantic justifications for retardation.

Taxes work, NAP doesn't. Get over it.

That is an excellent point. You are taxed on bare necessities of life. In Canada, there was no income tax before 1917, and it was brought in as a temporary tax for WW I.

>Temporary
It's never temporary

such a convincing argument wow

Cant! Your right. Not in the constitution, not legal. We have been had and few have had the balls to fight the system, YET!
Same Thing with judges and natural law and more.

What are the global trade ramifications of each country being able to create its ow currency?

>literally most everything in your life has some form of government subsidies.
>well i guess since you already put the knife in me it can stay there

>Even if we could agree that roads would be a necessary government responsibility it would still not account for like 95%+ of the remaining taxes.
they use those as the excuse to cover up all the illegal and unwanted spending the government does.

MUH ROADS is a Boomer argument. The roads are often neglected anyway, they just blow all our money on welfare and other shit.

taxation without representation may bbee

FUCK DA JEW WORLD ORDER DA GOYIM FUCKIN KNOW
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Private companies build most roads shhhhbbhhh.

Road , dead vegetation same thing right.
Come back to me when deer build tunnels and bridges

Theft usually happens once. Taxation lasts a life time.

Taxation is not theft. Taxation is fractional slavery.

>Prove me wrong
I win.

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101 years and counting.

People who want no government are as retarded as communist

"The system seeks to turn the entire world into a fiefdom of the major corporations under the label of "globalisation'' in order to protect democracy.

"And Iraq and Afghanistan and their tragedies; and the reeling of many of you under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes and real estate mortgages; global warming and its woes; and the abject poverty and tragic hunger in Africa: all of this is but one side of the grim face of this global system.''

- Bin Laden

>mfw when he actually said this
>'Globalisation'

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Yeqh, but what are you gonna do about it? Wave a flag and whine? They arent taxes, just thing of it as protection money keeping a much stronger and numerous force from outright slaughtering you.

You're free to go and live in a sovereign community that puts money in the middle, and you're free to leave it and go live on your own and have your own individual sovereignty .

why don't you move to north korea?

>Khan academy
>Khan
Isis also has free education centres

Taxes part for armies.

One day you'll learn that moral systems and structures of "principles" are nothing more than ad-hoc constructions to justify end goals.

also, this is like when a burglar enters your home and takes your property from you, you say "well why don't you just give up your property and move somewhere else then?"

you want people who you disagree with to submit to you and leave, ofcourse, but you don't understand that the problem is the injustice being done by the government. it's not a thing of whether you like it or not, it's against the law, except the law doesn't apply to the government. which means it's a contradiction, it's wrong.

your point being?

Lolbertarianism is a bad system that completely relies on percieved moral superiority to argue it's case.

It could never compete with "statist socities" in technology and economic effiency.
It would not be good in protecting the sovereignty and reproductive survival of the population.
It would not actually give people good or desirable lives.

It's an ideological construction sprung from pure autism and it's not good for you.

>A bunch of Inbred Ancaps argue against Public services, but instead want private businesses to hold Monopolies of said Public Services anyway and be forced to pay tolls and fees for them which eventually just turns into taxation anyway.

all you're saying right now is "it's not good", is this truly the extent of your reasoning when it comes to libertarianism or can you not be arsed to give arguments right now?

Or you can actually tackle the point that destroys your argument completely.

What do you expect from a tulip sniffing inbred kike though.

my argument? i haven't presented an argument to the swede, so we know you're talking out of your ass. i'm actually asking him for his argument which he has yet to present.

also, you do know that we can see your ID, right, retard?

Taxes supposedly pay for the military and border protection that prevent other countries from pillaging the fuck out of us. The roads are supposedly paid for by the registration fees and taxes on your car, something you don't have to pay if you don't want to drive your car on public roads.

That being said, the funds being taxed are not going to what they are supposed to.

Yeah, I'm forcing your stupid Ancap ass to tackle my point.

Which you fucking can't, because Ancaps are so fucking stupid they actually think Taxation is theft and worse than the Tyranny of a Monopoly by a business.

The whole point of Taxation is the idea that a country pays a tithe to the ruling body.

You want to remove the Governmental body and replace it with Corporations, Who will still force a tithe out of you, but this time, it'll be direct and not a much easier to pay tax.

Taxation is tribute demanded by the hierarchy that is the dominate one. You seek to become a different and competing hierarchy. Win in this conflict through subversion or conquest and your can supplant the dominate hierarchy with your own.

If not, die, pay tribute or become outcast from that hierarchy and it's resources.

Regards the person who built the door makes it impossible to not use the door. Your are being forced by the thief to use the door. Want is irrelevant now as there is no alternative and the builder can suppose value out of the construction through forced use

Am I to believe that you are illiterate too? Reread my reply.

Lolbertarianism.
It could never compete with "statist socities" in technology and economic effiency.
It would not be good in protecting the sovereignty and reproductive survival of the population.
It would not actually give people good or desirable lives.

Taxation is theft? Get used to it.

>mcplayboy thinks everyone wants to live in a metropolis city

Any society that had no taxes would get conquered by one that did, so it doesn't fucking matter.

are you intoxicated or something? you haven't made a point, and i haven't presented an argument. yet you're saying my argument has been destroyed and i can't tackle your point. what the fuck is wrong with you?

and by the way i'm not even ancap, yoou're making so many assumptions that are wrong. why don't you ask me questions instead?

>can't compete
>not good
>not good
what do you even want me to say to that? "uhm yeah actually it is good". present an argument for why it's not good or fuck off.

>confirmed slavery by door

>You haven't presented an argument.

Maybe try reading my posts then you fucking inbred

>Taxation is theft? Get used to it.

Tax his land, tax his wage,
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
Teach him JEW taxes are the rule.

Tax his cow, tax his goat,
Tax his pants, tax his coat.
Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
Tax his work, tax his dirt.

Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
Teach him taxes are no joke.
Tax his car, tax his grass,
Tax the roads and tax his ass.

Tax his food, tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.
Tax his sodas, tax his beers,
If he cries, tax his tears.

Tax his bills, tax his gas
Tax his notes, tax his cash.
Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.

If he hollers, tax him more,
Tax him until he’s good and sore.
Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.

Put these words upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me to my doom!"
And when he’s gone, we won’t relax,
We’ll still be after the inheritance tax!

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greentext your argument

Nobody is denying this.

Certain freedoms need to be surrendered to function in a civilized society user. One of them, you have to pay taxes.

Why libertarians are so dumb?

this changed my mind. wtf i love the government now.

>You say Taxation is theft
>Forced Tolls however due to a Monopoly are not Theft

The easiest way is to show the Monopoly sites of Internet cable ownership in the US.

Now imagine that, but with absolutely no protection laws. Now apply it to almost every single former tax paid service.

Definition of theft
1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it
b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

inb4
>Muh snowflake definition for theft like SJW for racism

What can you buy that is tax free and not on the black marcket?

What can you buy that is tax free and not on the black market?

If you were smart you would understand that you will bleed out if the knife were removed

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>literally just a weight over your head
>being this dramatic

i didn't say taxation is theft, so your first premise is unsound. the second premise you give is that a free market leads to monopolies. why do you think that?

Satanic trips locks this as fact.
Doors=slavery. I want this to be memed into reality. Imagine hoards of Sup Forumsacks kicking down doors in all places to protest the taxation Jew.

Because it does?

How does a free market not lead to a Monopoly? Especially on Land based services?

Because Jesus is the door, and Jews put a price on his head. Nothing has changed.

Theft is defined as the dishonest taking of property without consent. And in a perfect system the taxes would only be spend for the greater good and therefore not be dishonest.

i'll give you one more chance to explain your reasoning. "because it does?" isn't going to convince anyone. and asking me to disprove something you haven't even proven is lazy, i'm not going to play that game with you.

>Just do away with jews and your problem is solved.

It's not theft, it's a country membership fee, in order to live in the country and use all of its services, you have to pay a fee, otherwise you're committing theft by using them for free (which is why you get arrested if you don't pay your taxes) If you no longer wish to be a member, nothing is stopping you from living somewhere else.

That was his point.

Taxes should be a brake on rampant greed economy, but instead it's used against the public for various reason.
Basically tax the rich 95% of their assets, and some problems will be helped

It is not like the rest of the taxes are simply thrown away they go to other services like the police, ambulance, schools and many other things.

"We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute."
-- Thomas Paine

"When men get in the habit of helping themselves to the property of others, they cannot easily be cured of it."
-- The New York Times, in a 1909 editorial opposing the very first income tax

"It is important to remember that government interference always means either violent action or the threat of such action. The funds that a government spends for whatever purposes are levied by taxation. And taxes are paid because the taxpayers are afraid of offering resistance to the tax gatherers. They know that any disobedience or resistance is hopeless. As long as this is the state of affairs, the government is able to collect the money that it wants to spend. "
-- Ludwig von Mises, Human Action [1949]

Youre supposed to get services in return for your tax dollars. Right now all we get is hard dick and bubble gum.

So I need to explain basic land economy to an AnCap?

Alright then;

If a company owns all the production and land of a local area, how the fuck do you stop them from simply forcing out or buying out the competition?

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it's not the services that i don't want, it's the involuntary way they're achieved that i don't want. if government force is needed to collect money for a service, you have to ask yourself if people actually even want that service. if people truly want something, government force wouldn't be necessary to fund it.

what is the problem with monopolies? why do we not want free market monopolies?

Because a Monopoly has all the supposed downside of the government, with none of the federal support and representation.

The problem with monopolies is that once a company knows they have total control over a resource they can simply raise the price on it as high as they want.

and why is competition not possible? genuinely curious

So this is the knew moderrator on the history channel

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Because if a company has a LAND Monopoly, competition is literally impossible.

Let's say overnight your country went full AnCap and say, RoadCO bought all the roads of a city.

How the fuck will any other company compete for roads in that city?

by building roads that are better/cheaper than roadco's

>I know
>We'll build roads directly next to other roads, costing more money because we need to buy the land.

how long is roadco going to have a monopoly?

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>Roadco road cost to buy, $1

>RoadB cost to build $1,000

Roadco doesn't go bankrupt for selling at a supreme loss. Buys out their competitor stocks when they're at an all time low.

What if I buy out all all the concrete, granite, asphalt, etc plants and prevent you from getting building resources? What If I buy your own workers from you and pay them more because I have more money than you? You would end up going out of business pretty quickly.