"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Why add this? It doesn't have anything to do with specific rights citizens hold like the first 8 amendments but unlike the tenth it does not give power to any a state or institution.
It makes little sense to put in a philosophical statement about rights that does not enumerate any rights. So why does it exist?
As an aside is this an amendment sovereign citizens refer to because of its ambiguity and their potential ability to legally claim a right is being violated that isn't explicitly stated in the book of the law? I only ask because my girlfriends dad is LEO and recently commented about how sovereigns are mucking up the legal system.
almost as if constitutional writing made sense at the time but should probably be reinterpreted by rightly elected officials as time goes on
but nooooo, SHALL or whatever right
Camden Walker
seems to me it means that you cant use one right to infringe on another.
Liam Perez
Because my right to say whatever the fuck i want doesnt infringe your right to say whatever the fuck you want.
Ian Jones
because without it the government could argue that because it isn't the constitution "you don't have the right".
not that it doesn't effectively do this often enough.
sovereign citizens are largely just using the amendment to push back. Well, no. Largely they're just douche bags looking to do whatever they want the way they want, but the effect is push back generally in the wrong places, like local authority, but sometimes that's the only way to get broad respect of law. Push from the bottom up. Make enough problems for the little guys, who push pressure on feds to lay the fuck off. This generally represented in exercising 10th.
remember, it's all competing powers, and as far as right go, you basically don't have them unless you exercise them. So 9th is a way of exercising authority as individual. Even if it's just chewing up the legal system. as a zero sum game, that system will have to give up prosecuting bullshit in favor of actually serving public interests.
Ayden Perez
well, currently the government takes all the rights by default so they probably expected that to happen at some point
You are wrong. The writing of the constitution was obviously done in a manner to support its growth. That is why America has added more amendments and its why the bill of rights is only the first ten amendments.
The bill of rights is a framework within which to create other rights or privileges for the citizenry. It is not a breathing document and has not been interpreted as such by the supreme court. The first ten are what the founding fathers deem crucial in creating a free society and they have worked well to do that.
Your obvious trollery is not an answer to my question of why the ninth amendment exists but it is a blanket statement that fallaciously assumes that every amendment has an expiration date. It also acts to remove the subject of the topic from why the ninth amendment exists and place it to why all amendments are flawed which isnt the subject of debate. The subject of debate here is to inquire quite simply:
Why would the founding fathers create an amendment which does not enumerate rights but rather protects rights which are not enumerated?
Nolan Lewis
It basically states that the Constitution is not exhaustive and there are rights that exist outside of it.
Jordan Fisher
>almost as if constitutional writing made sense at the time but should probably be reinterpreted by rightly elected officials as time goes on Communist flag
Communism invented by Moses Hess in the 1800s...
Totally unaware of his own Jew Saturn's-sickle cult
Dumbspeak: Just because it says you have some rights doesn't mean you don't have the ones it doesn't say you have.
Jonathan Barnes
KYS
Gabriel Morris
Fucking meme flag faggot. If you hate guns so much just buy shot gun, load it, stick it in your mouth, and pull the fucking trigger. You will never have to deal with guns or the constitution again.
Ethan Brooks
It means that even a constitutional amendment cannot village so-called natural law, or impinge on a person's protections under common law.
Read Locke and Hobbes if you want to know more.
Lucas Mitchell
>cannot village Cannot VIOLATE goddamn.
Jonathan Parker
Bumping a useful thread for once.
When drafting a legal document it is of utmost importance to be as complete and precise as possible, especially if the document is forming the bedrock of a new nation. Without that clause, you can be damned sure some kike lawmaker would have waltzed in and claimed "everything not in the constitution is not a right and so we can ban it."
Does the constitution give you the right to own a home? Not explicitly. Too bad, user. How about the right to get married? Nope too bad get fucked.
Without the clause, such heinous arguments would be indirectly backed or at least not refuted, by the highest legal document in the land. It would be like CNN on steroids.
Luke Bailey
>Memeflag >not shilling or shit posting
R a r e a r e
Adrian Roberts
it's a states rights thing
Christian Sanchez
You say as complete and precise but isnt 9 anything but? Maybe that is your point but I have to say that if the most important part of drafting such an important document is precision isnt the ninth amendment antithetical to that?
And if the point is that it is antithetical to precision in order to curb misuse of technicality then when does it come into play? When is it useful for a pillar of society to be explicitly vague?
Logan Richardson
One issue about the 9th is that while it may protect certain unstated rights, it gives way for some leftist dumbfucks to protect gay marriage, degenerate sex, and equal opportunity aka Marxism.
Carson Lewis
watching commies get shit on is turning into a fetish dangerously fast
Kevin Thomas
New rights develop over time that people have not even thought up of yet. For example, with the advent of crisper technology, you have the right to edit your own genetic sequence to suit your needs. The founding fathers could not have thought of that. As new technology and new ways of thinking develop, new rights are created. Plus the common law system assumes that rights and infinite and innumerable, this the need for the 9th. Just because there is no right to travel in the constituían does not mean the government can stop you from moving a town over. Without the 9th we would endanger our common law system of rights.
