What's the best power system in anime?

What's the best power system in anime?
Are there any that can rival pic related?

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Aside from the long explanations about the categories, the utilization of Nen in battles are actually pretty simple. I prefer the normal power system in anime where guys don't have auras or spirit energy or chakra or ki, etc.

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Yeah yeah there's an over powered character but every story has one of those.

Why do I see this thread every day?

How long till the orange stars a world war?

>Are there any that can rival pic related?

absolutely, nothing comes close to dbs power level system created by mexican intellectuals

I think I actually prefer the goofiness and ridiculous power shit of Dragonball than HxH's pretentious and asspully mess. Dragonball just gives shonen fans what they want while HxH covers up bad writing with shock value and shallow babby-tier philosophy

It's literally Enhancer>=Specialist>>>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

Attack and Defense points in Yu-Gi-Oh!

with emission and enhancer, could you strengthen gravity ?

Nen has too much rule bending to be considered a good system.

Maybe you are too retarded for it, go shoot ki blasts or something.

>most nuanced power system in anime
>95% of the fights just devolve into shitty CQC matches and overly dramatic OHKOs

Every shonen power system has bullshit. I just wish Nen was used better in battles. Despite all the hype about Nen being complex the fights are very straightforward and basic.

Don't Gon, Sylva, Meruem and Netero literally shoot ki blasts?

You could do almost anything a different kind of Nene does if you limit or build it well enough. I could use my Conjuration to create something that shoots nen for example as long as it's sunny outside or something.

The explanations of Nen are long but the actual execution is pretty damn similar to what other manga were already doing. I would even say Jojo's powers were more unique and creative.

It is about the powers you can develop with it, Knuckle's APR can fuck you up easily.

Netero put a condition that everytime he attacks his statue can surpass his strength and speed if he prays, he managed to pray in less than half of a second, so why not?

Silva? we don't know shit about him, Meruem was an specialists that gets stronger aura by eating other living creatures.

Hunter x Hunter is not for retards, it actually has a power system that makes sense, the execution could be "simple" or similar to others but the roots actually make more sense, is not like "hey i will shoot this ki blast shit or summon my alter ego shit" you actually have to work it from the ground and give it a logical meaning.

Hxh is for retard like every shonen dude

Stands are pretty neet. Some stands may be OP but you still can't say one stand is the best or worst since any stand has a counter. And there are some very uniuqe abillities.

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Seems like you didn't read the manga or even watched the anime.

Hunter x Hunter has depth to it actually, the themes, armosphere and psychological aspect of are pretty fucking good, it could easily be seinen if it wasn't on WSJ.

>Nen power system
>Good

Not really. All it did was categorize traditional powers.

Given you can literally make a contract with your nen power, it's actually one of the weaker systems, as logically there's not much sense behind negotiating with something that's has no sentience.

SHIT

I'm reading it when it's not in hiatus and while it's mildly enjoyable, the story is badly built and the nen system is just a mean of inserting every far-fetched power the author can think of.

Yes, but aside from the long explanations beforehand I don't think Nen is really all that intricate. Especially when you see how Togashi does with it in battles.

I think HxH fans are too caught up with trying to be intellectuals they don't see how simple the whole thing actually is. Powering up with energy, making energy blasts/energy swords, lightning, body transformations, sapping energy from the opponent, all this is really common with a lot of shonen series. It's just that nen users are directly stated to be in different categories. I think Knuckle's power is the only one that's pretty cool and unique. So is Nanika's if that counts. But as a whole hunter x hunter really isn't as deep and mature as the fanbase wants it to be. I would even say it's bad with fundamental things like fleshing out characters. Only deciding to give characters like Kite and Netero stories close to before they ""die"" (Kite just you know). HxH is a long running shounen so there's really no excuse for this.

Nen is just fancy ki/cosmo/aura whatever with more leniency so you can get those weird specialist powers

I don't know if OPM counts as having a "power system", but I like the concept of everyone having a theoretically limitless potential that they can achieve through actual hard work.
Are there any other power systems that work like this aside from TTGL's spiral power?

Bleach had a fantastic power system that slowly fell apart and became hot garbage.

What is with the HxH fartsniffing recently? is it to counter the O MY posting?

The system is solid in theory.
The implementation in the story is complete shit.

The system could have been used in a more mature story with better character design and atmosphere... I'm thinking in something like "darker than black" but with HxH power system.

That's why the old anime was so superior... Just remember this epic shit.

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> Cool atmosphere.
> Epic scene design
> Epic soundtrack music
> Cool story
> Cool applications of powers. The guys use the power to track down and corner Chrollo.
> No stupid design with monster people or retarded anatomy.

This scene only show what HxH could have been if the author weren't this retarded.

The power system in Bleach was literally just "swords are magic". It's was cool as fuck, and saying "bankai" is one of the most badass things of the time, but the system itself was nothing special.

I know people give Togas hi credit for putting limits on nen users, but it's not really that impressive to write characters like that. Basically everybody has a specialty power, and that's basically all they use, but that's the same for almost every other battle shounen. Water guy uses water attacks, smoke guy uses smoke attacks, and gon punches hard. The only difference is how convoluted the conditions are.

That's what I mean. It had fantastic style without becoming too complex. Something that I think most power systems should stay away from. The initial use of vizard and arrancar was also really cool.

Stands
>No power level bullshit
>Every stand can beat every other stand if the user is smart enough
>Every stand is unique and original
>Every stand has a peculiar physical appearance, which leads to top tier designs like pic related

Also the Golden Spin is cool too.

I liked the shadow dragons in narutaru before all the bullshit

Bleach was originally "things you can make your weapon do", like extending it or shattering it into tiny pieces that attack your enemy, and sometimes it did shit with your energy. They abandoned that after Ikkaku.

Pre-Haki One Piece, or at least "subtle mentions of haki instead of srawing everyone glowing black and using it as a powerlevel measure" haki

>What's the best power system in anime?
Stands

>Are there any that can rival pic related?
No, nothing can rival this autism.

Fist of the North Star had a pretty simple combat system. Hokuto Shinken is invincible, other things are not Hokuto Shinken.

What about "darker than black" system?

> Cool powers
> In order to keep using your power you need to fulfill some crazy mania
> The ones with power are biologically psycopaths (later is known that only socipaths)

The bad
> The mc character is totally OP and don't need to fulfill any mania to use his overwpowered ability.

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>Powering up with energy, making energy blasts/energy swords, lightning, body transformations, sapping energy from the opponent
For all of this you need conditions and soem of them aren't doable if you are not in the category that lets do them, enhancers can summon swords but it would be weaker than a conjurer doing it for example, the system is so good that it autobalances itself, only people who actually overcome their limits can break some of the balance but not that much either.

The one that stays true and relevant till the very end.

In theory... In practice is retarded...

For example gon and killua have super human strenght even without nen.

And the grandma that can become vehicles throw the "cool factor" under the bus.

Just passing by, most of these are a nerd-fest that sounds nice on paper but rarely makes battles actually fun. It's such a detailed system but there's no good reason for having it like that.

>> The mc character is totally OP and don't need to fulfill any mania to use his overwpowered ability.

Yeah, that's an issue with a lot of superpowers though. Good non-anime example is the flash series. The Flash himself got a super OP ability with no downsides. Everyone else got fucked over hard and either have a weak power, or some large downside.

Superhero lottery is real.

And the MC did have a mania, it was just drinking, which isn't that hard.

>mania
But that's not mania, it's a compulsion. Those stupid animu makers.

>Just passing by, most of these are a nerd-fest that sounds nice on paper but rarely makes battles actually fun. It's such a detailed system but there's no good reason for having it like that.
What you see in the story are already finished abilities, unless you focus on Killua which you can see actually developing his ability through the entire series.

Makes you think how incredible is the person that developed such an ability, in Hunter x Hunter the person's intelligence, trickery and capabilities are actually praised you know.

Killua came up with a good power because his body can resist it, no other person could easily handle electricity you know, thousands of volts.

Gon is a enhancer, he is the simplest shit, but if he wanted to he could come up with conditions and shit and make an interesting ability like Knuckle's APR.

>limb explodes

>What you see in the story are already finished abilities, unless you focus on Killua which you can see actually developing his ability through the entire series.
If the results is no different from every other shounen iut there then I don't see any advanatages from having any kind of a complex system to describe the powers.

Why would anyone invent an elaborate power system for a manga for children

>but if he wanted to he could come up with conditions and shit

Why is this considered a pro to the system though? If nen powers are so powerful and useful, why are we only seeing autists use it for battle purposed?

Why aren't their traveling nen merchants who can use their nen to convince people to buy things? Or simply to make the things they sell?

Why aren't their politicians who use it to further their ambitions?

Why is an ability that literally anyone can train themselves to do, and that is incredibly useful, not common place? At least other power systems are actually limited for mostly combat. With the conditions system in nen you could literally do anything you wanted.

That's a good point. One of the reason why Togashi's worldbuilding feels so disapointing.

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>>>No power level bullshit

>>Every stand can beat every other stand if the user is smart enough

having long explanations didn't really mean it was all that elaborate. The actual battles were pretty simple.

>Why is an ability that literally anyone can train themselves to do, and that is incredibly useful, not common place? At least other power systems are actually limited for mostly combat. With the conditions system in nen you could literally do anything you wanted.


but we did see that. There was an artist use to make rare art and komugi used it to become the greatest gungi player.

We are following pro-hunters and assassins so of course for the most part we see the battle portions. Did you forget the mafia who used fortune telling to become a super rich mafia boss?

That's a requiem stand. And even the he can be probably countered by something as idiotic as Yo Yo Ma.

Am I the only that thought Nen wasn't all that amazing? I understood the rules and everything but the nen fights just didn't impress me. There wasn't anything clever or strategic that felt like a satisfying payoff. The action scenes before the nen were actually better to me.

Nen is a good system to me, It has a basic set of skills that everyone learns, and then a personalized ability that fits into the characters personality and capabilities. It's just crunchy enough to make it stand out from other systems that might have fewer variables or metrics.

While I can't say it's the best, it's the best at what it does which to me is creating an environment for tactical battles where powers have more believable limitations.

For my part though, I'm fond of Oversouls in SK and Furyoku even though it's much simpler system in design.

Contractors is a good system too.

nice bait

Yes yes, I agree. Hunter x Hunter is not for retards. Hunter x Hunter has depth to it actually, the themes, armosphere and psychological aspect of are pretty fucking good, it could easily be seinen if it wasn't on WSJ.

It truly is the Rick and Morty of anime.

>It truly is the Rick and Morty of anime.
Gets me every time

>The action scenes before the nen were actually better to me
which ones?

Are you retarded?

>Why is an ability that literally anyone can train themselves to do
Jesus fucking Christ, if you're going to criticize something at least try and understand what it is that you're criticizing.

That's just Hisoka weighing his options and not really describing the nen system at all. The things Hisoka are talking about like Chrollo possibly ordering his puppets or make new ones is just common sense. You literally have to be 12 to think this is intellectual or complex.

What does it have to do with nen though? It'd be exactly the same if Chrollo had a stand.

What's elaborate about that? Point out which part? It's just hisoka pondering if he'll make more puppet copies, change his form, or just give new orders. Just because there are paragraphs doesn't mean it's elaborate.

>Why aren't their traveling nen merchants who can use their nen to convince people to buy things? Or simply to make the things they sell?
who said there wasn't? but the series is not about them

>Why aren't their politicians who use it to further their ambitions?
who said there wasn't? but the series is not about them

>Why is an ability that literally anyone can train themselves to do, and that is incredibly useful, not common place? At least other power systems are actually limited for mostly combat. With the conditions system in nen you could literally do anything you wanted.
nen is super secret club shit honestly

Why is this considered a pro to the system though?
Because you can do whatever the fuck you want

The absolute state of pseudo intellectual HxHfags.

what did you mean by this? chrollo conditions are part of nen , the sun and moon magic is even a nen after death

Triggers.

This fight was the most intricate, complex fight in any battle manga. The choreography and most importantly the mental battle between Chrollo and Hisoka was amazing. No fight in any other series can keep up with this.

I mean it'd be the same if he had a stand with the same powers. Nothing would change at all in this battle. Knowing all that stuff about enchancers and emmiters is not required at all to understand what's happening here. All we need is knowing the rules for his powers, that's all.

>This fight was the most intricate, complex fight in any battle manga
Ahahahahahahaha. Ha. Hahahahahahaha.

because hxh is all about psychology it focuses on the characters thoughts and feelings as they face various dangers and tribulations everything within the universe plays into the theme of expressing thoughts or emotions from nen being para psychological in nature to deconstructing rockpaper scissors.

Not an argument.

Nah, I read shounen for power battle. If I want to see mental battle, I'd read Liar Game.

>everything within the universe plays into the theme of expressing thoughts or emotions
Excuse me if I'm being smug, but isn't evry fucking piece of art ever made in the history of humankind about expressing thoughts or emotions? You're really trying to make this manga to look smarter than it is.

Sadly no, the nen system is genius

Zanpakuto > Nen

because the guy attempting to criticize it doesn't understand. kuroro and the spiders as a whole are perfect products of meteor city. they only value the group, and not even their own lives. that's why kuroro (and the elder) aren't even capable of distinguishing between a corpse and a puppet. it's why the elder would send members of meteor city to blow themselves up just to avenge the death of one person. the spider is built around the same principles. its also the reason why kuroro is fighting by manipulating others and using them as living bombs as puppets because he thinks this assures him a 100% chance at victory.

it refers back to the question that gon asked him back during the york new arc. this fight is provides the answer.

and also gives insights into hisoka's belief in himself as the strongest. even when the odds continue to build up against him, he moves jovially ahead believing that his victory is assured. chrollo's "humans..." statement was actually meant to exemplify his admiration for people who try to defy the inevitable.

Nen is fun but that specific aspect of it in your image is fucking dumb as hell. Manipulators and Conjurers get fucked in their movepools because Specialization is an exception to the system.

This is some basic though edgy characterization. Are you trying to say this seems smart to you?

You're too stupid to enjoy HxH.

The magic system of Magi, coupled with Metal Vessels was also good. I'll also throw in alchemy from FMA.

>No fight in any other series can keep up with this.
It's assholes like you that make it difficult to be a fan of HxH on this site.

I'm too smart. But you're stupid enough to read it and think it's clever.

This is what's funny to me. I mean, I can see the flaw in thinking that just because HxH is wordy that it's some super complex and complicated show. But at the same time, you think that because it's wordy, that it's pretentious or pseudo-whatever buzzword you can slap in a post to avoid actual discussion. So in reality, you're both awful.

>I'm too smart.

>basic though edgy

There we go. I'm starting to think the average Sup Forums poster is sheltered

Maybe if you paid attention instead of hoping for FIGHTS FIGHTS FIGHTS, you'd realize Nen has conditions, oaths and restrictions based on the individual. Just admit you're assblasted that Hisoka came back to life and you were on Chrollo's side the whole time, or that you're a speedreader of a 2011fag who didn't know fully about nen and skipped most of the past arcs so you could jump into the discussions without knowing shit.

combat in HxH is mainly based on tactics. That's why you can never predict a winner in a nen combat. Most other titles are just superficial based on power levels and the scripts for combat is so predictable. For example in one piece, the combat is so simple and usually goes like, the protagonist gets beaten up for a while, then show some new ability, and win with a final blow. HxH is more complicated than that.

Stop thinking of it in terms of "fights" then. The majority of Nen combat is not even physical fights (Gon vs the bat/owl, Morel vs Cheetu/Leol/Pouf, the fight with Youpi, Killua vs the siblings, etc). The fights are based on strategy and the powerlevels didn't mean much except to actually make the fights less about raw power which was a neat twist to how it usually goes in shonen manga.

> "subtle mentions of haki instead of srawing everyone glowing black and using it as a powerlevel measure" haki

Haki isn't a powerlevel and can still be maneuvered around like with Logias before

>muh nen system
Kill yourself you dumb shounenfag.

>combat in HxH is mainly based on tactics

No it's based on asspulls (Gon-San, Illumi's needle, O My Rubber Nen, the nuke, Bungee Gum having no set physics) OP powers that no one can counter if directed towards them (Kurapika's chains, Chrollo, Potclean), straight up powerlevels (Ants) and characters being too stupid to act on things (every other fight but at the top of my head Killua's butler doing "blah blah you can't escape this trap unless you let your nen break your arms" shit with Hisoka instead of finishing him while he's surprised)

Has this board gotten so dumb that people are rating a power system based on fights and nothing else?
Name me a power system that does all of this:
>wide variety of abilities
>has a culture among its users to try and hide their abilities
>divides abilities into multiple distinct categories that serve as the distinct backdrop for the users skillset
>believable training routines for developing abilities
>limit to how many abilities the user can have - with people being capable of ruining their potential if they make the wrong choices
>can be a useful hint to someones backstory or a even just a little something about their personality
>be a tool that allows for weaker users to be on par with some of the strongest if they're smart enough
And that's not mentioning Nen geniuses, Nen and emotions/intentions being strongly linked, etc. What makes it infinitely better than most is its deeply intertwined with the story progression.

>asspulls (Gon-San, Illumi's needle, O, Nuke, Bungee Gum)
None of these are asspulls.

>OP powers that no one can counter if directed towards them (Kurapika's chains, Chrollo, Potclean)
Which is why knowledge of abilities are always taken into consideration by most characters. Kurapika's chains are now known among every Troupe member. Potclean is dogshit if Knuckle is weaker than his target (Youpi) or slower (Cheetu). Chrollo's Hatsu is OP but it still limits his melee prowess.

>straight up powerlevels (Ants)
That's kinda the point when it comes to the Royal Guard and above, and even they are capable of being defeated under the right conditions.

>(every other fight but at the top of my head Killua's butler doing "blah blah you can't escape this trap unless you let your nen break your arms" shit with Hisoka instead of finishing him while he's surprised)
Gotoh did go for the kill, speedreader. He didn't expect Hisoka to use Bungee Gum to have an escape plan set up.

Doesn't nen come from the dark continent?